Bormio Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 HOF or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodysurf Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 6 minutes ago, Bormio said: HOF or no? Yes. Many players throughout history have bet on baseball. With so many dirty players, just let them all in. Same goes for Bonds and Clemmens. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliNorth Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 24 minutes ago, Bormio said: HOF or no? Holds one of the 3 greatest all time records in baseball, maybe 1 of the top 2 ( hits vs home runs ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 Absolutely yes!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 No. He did one of the very few cardinal sins in baseball knowing full well what would happen if he got caught. Didn't baseball players learn from the Black Sox scandal? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 Hated the Reds and Rose, but absolutely should be in the HOF. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ararar Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 Anyone who watched Rose play knows he’s a HOFer. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted October 1 Author Report Share Posted October 1 1 hour ago, Fred said: No. He did one of the very few cardinal sins in baseball knowing full well what would happen if he got caught. Didn't baseball players learn from the Black Sox scandal? I understand the no viewpoint and it has validity. Few things - his sins were as a manager not as a player and it is the player going in. Second he won’t get satisfaction of knowing - he is dead. Third, at some level we all should be given grace for sins (as God grants us). I did not say deserves grace - but neither do we. And finally, he was one helluva ballplayer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEOC89 Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 2 hours ago, Bodysurf said: Yes. Many players throughout history have bet on baseball. With so many dirty players, just let them all in. Same goes for Bonds and Clemmens. Betting on Baseball and Steroids are 2 different things…. Especially because there were no rules against using steroids in Baseball and everyone from the Shady, Scumbag Commisioner on down was complicit in the Steroid Era… Betting on Baseball, especially your own team can directly affect the outcome of games and when PR started playing he knew the rules as did everyone else…. That being said, the HOF is a Museum and you can’t tell the history of Baseball without Pete Rose, so yes he should be in and on his plaque it should just say that he was banned for betting on Baseball along with the fact he was one of the greatest hitters to ever step on the field and a Champion…. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 17 minutes ago, Bormio said: I understand the no viewpoint and it has validity. Few things - his sins were as a manager not as a player and it is the player going in. Second he won’t get satisfaction of knowing - he is dead. Third, at some level we all should be given grace for sins (as God grants us). I did not say deserves grace - but neither do we. And finally, he was one helluva ballplayer. He was player/manager 1985 and 1986 and manager in 1987. During those years he bet on his team. He waffled back and forth saying he did or he didn't. He cheated on his taxes and went to jail for a short period as a result of that. I'm all about forgiveness as I'm far from perfect but at some point you just have to say no. It wasn't a one time thing. There was a definite pattern of proven wrong doing and suspicion prior to that. If the game has any integrity at all, you can't make an exception no matter how good of a player he was. And I readily admit he was an outstanding player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader12-0 Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 3 hours ago, Bormio said: HOF or no? HELL YES! The longer he is held out, the worse the MLB looks as they openly market themselves off gambling today. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotback Right Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 6 hours ago, Fred said: He was player/manager 1985 and 1986 and manager in 1987. During those years he bet on his team. He waffled back and forth saying he did or he didn't. He cheated on his taxes and went to jail for a short period as a result of that. I'm all about forgiveness as I'm far from perfect but at some point you just have to say no. It wasn't a one time thing. There was a definite pattern of proven wrong doing and suspicion prior to that. If the game has any integrity at all, you can't make an exception no matter how good of a player he was. And I readily admit he was an outstanding player. My understanding was that he claimed he never bet on his own team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 8 hours ago, THEOC89 said: ...the HOF is a Museum and you can’t tell the history of Baseball without Pete Rose...he was one of the greatest hitters to ever step on the field and a Champion…. I agree. He has more hits than anyone ever to play MLB. He was voted to the all-star team at 5 different positions. His toughness led the Big Red Machine to numerous championships He didn't back down from Bob Gibson or anyone else. None of this by cheating. Charley Hustle is an asshole and not anyone I'd want to spend much time with, but is certainly one of the elite of the elite to ever play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliNorth Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 12 hours ago, Fred said: He was player/manager 1985 and 1986 and manager in 1987. During those years he bet on his team. He waffled back and forth saying he did or he didn't. He cheated on his taxes and went to jail for a short period as a result of that. I'm all about forgiveness as I'm far from perfect but at some point you just have to say no. It wasn't a one time thing. There was a definite pattern of proven wrong doing and suspicion prior to that. If the game has any integrity at all, you can't make an exception no matter how good of a player he was. And I readily admit he was an outstanding player. Cheating on his taxes was the league trying to drudge up any little thing they could against him, much like the left does to Trump, He paid over $2,000,000 in taxes that year but the prosecutors wanted to bend him over backwards for not paying taxes on $200,000 for baseball signings . So that makes it like he cheated on $70,000 dollars, but he paid over $2,000,000. . Ridiculous to label him a tax cheater . How are your taxes ? Do you pay every little dimes worth ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ararar Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 8 hours ago, Slotback Right said: My understanding was that he claimed he never bet on his own team. I believe he did bet on his team but always to win.He could have avoided this if he admitted guilt and took a suspension but he refused to admit guilt so they banned him 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotback Right Posted October 3 Report Share Posted October 3 Thank you, Ararar, that does ring a belI...I believe you are correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted Monday at 08:47 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:47 PM On 10/1/2024 at 11:20 AM, CaliNorth said: Ridiculous to label him a tax cheater . How are your taxes ? Do you pay every little dimes worth ? As a matter of fact, to the best of my knowledge I do. I have a small business that is or was 90% cash and I report all of it. Now I'm 75-80ish% cash and 20-25ish% credit card. I have to toe the line carefully as the Feds look carefully at heavy cash businesses. There have been too many cases of small businesses having their cash seized and never getting it back or have to pay out the wazoo with attorneys and court costs to try and get some of it back. Banks won't loan you money based on "I made $100,000 last year but only reported $50,000." I take every legal deduction I can but I don't do shady stuff. But back to Pete, he got jail time so it wasn't some minor bookkeeping error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliNorth Posted Monday at 10:54 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 10:54 PM 2 hours ago, Fred said: As a matter of fact, to the best of my knowledge I do. I have a small business that is or was 90% cash and I report all of it. Now I'm 75-80ish% cash and 20-25ish% credit card. I have to toe the line carefully as the Feds look carefully at heavy cash businesses. There have been too many cases of small businesses having their cash seized and never getting it back or have to pay out the wazoo with attorneys and court costs to try and get some of it back. Banks won't loan you money based on "I made $100,000 last year but only reported $50,000." I take every legal deduction I can but I don't do shady stuff. But back to Pete, he got jail time so it wasn't some minor bookkeeping error. Actually he paid $2,2000,000 in taxes that year, but fudged on the $70,000 for B-ball card signing . My point being, if they want to go after anyone they can find some discrepancy, either directly or by association . To label him a tax cheat is swatting at gnats . MLB was going to do anything to discredit him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted Monday at 11:30 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:30 PM 34 minutes ago, CaliNorth said: To label him a tax cheat is swatting at gnats . MLB was going to do anything to discredit him So you appear to be saying the degree of cheating matters, not that he was a cheat. Okay. Last I saw, MLB can't send him to jail for cheating on his taxes, only the IRS can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooverOutlaw Posted Monday at 11:58 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:58 PM On 10/1/2024 at 10:20 AM, CaliNorth said: Cheating on his taxes was the league trying to drudge up any little thing they could against him, much like the left does to Trump, He paid over $2,000,000 in taxes that year but the prosecutors wanted to bend him over backwards for not paying taxes on $200,000 for baseball signings . So that makes it like he cheated on $70,000 dollars, but he paid over $2,000,000. . Ridiculous to label him a tax cheater . How are your taxes ? Do you pay every little dimes worth ? Any tax outside of federal is unbiblical. State and local officials who charge and collect those taxes are 100 biblical wrong. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliNorth Posted yesterday at 06:18 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 06:18 PM 18 hours ago, HooverOutlaw said: Any tax outside of federal is unbiblical. State and local officials who charge and collect those taxes are 100 biblical wrong. IMO The outrageous tax system is unfair to begin with. The government has it construed to cheat the taxpayer in all sorts of ways. As someone told me, and I know it may be a bit extreme, that it is your God given duty to try and take every advantage against the govt with taxes because they are trying to screw you. If you let them, the govt will take practically everything that you have . We've only begun to see the govt at all levels to bring the money grab to new levels because people have no knowledge of how things work and vote in these radical left-wing socialists 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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