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[badrouter]

12 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Badrouter is outing himself as one of these braindead right-wing clowns who clearly just gets their news from YouTube clickbait.

Not a single intellecually honest, or curious, cell in that brain of his.

Conservatives Face Backlash From Followers Over UnitedHealthcare Murder

Conservative pundits are facing backlash from their own followers for accusing those on the left of celebrating the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Commentators like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh are being told by their supporters that they've got it wrong when it comes to Thompson's murder.

Over the weekend, both Shapiro and Walsh harshly condemned liberals for cheering on the assassination in respective episodes of their eponymous podcasts, titled "The EVIL Revolutionary Left Cheers Murder!" and " Why The Left Is Really Celebrating The Murder Of A CEO."

But their followers disagreed with their criticisms and defended the left, arguing that they felt the same way about Thompson's death and bashing Shapiro and Walsh for being "out of touch" as wealthy media personalities.

Ridiculous. Moreover, this sort of dishonesty now looks distinctly like a failure, given the results of the recent election. Smearing any/everyone with a different perspective as "far right" is a failed tactic. Perhaps you've so internalized this tactic that you've come to actually believe it! I suspect this has happened to many.

Given the nature of the grievances- hatred for wealth, and for-profit health-care- support (or lack of disgust) for the murderer figures to slant HEAVILY towards the far left (which many have tried to deny exists). But, sure, I suppose there is some truth in the "horseshoe" theory, which alleges that extremists of both tribes tend to end up in largely the same places as a result of their own stupidity. 

But, you know what?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!

We ought to be able to condemn the awful, revolting, terrifying support we've witnessed given to the Oct. 7 attacks and for this murderous brat. As I said, I'm not a member of either tribe. I suspect- with good reason- that the support for both of the aforementioned acts of terrorism are overwhelmingly from radical leftists. But, my only reason for stating as much is an interest in being accurate in what I say. If evidence - not yet offered- exists that support for the murder really is split ( 97% left and 3% right is not that) then I'm happy to amend my view and claim.

What I have NOT said is that "Democrats support Mangione". It is extremist lunatics who support him. And we should all be appalled by the widespread support for him. We have a MAJOR extremism problem and it only appears to be growing in scope and severity. Democrats and Republicans alike need to unite in condemning it. Stop trying to "win" be trying to paint a picture which shows extremism is only a one-side issue.

[badrouter]

13 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

That's because antisemitism worldwide is from the right.

But a significant portion of antisemitism in the *United States* is from the left because being Anti-Israel is considered ipso facto being antisemitic.

It's an important distinction that loons like badrouter and others on this board are either incapable or unwilling to make.

There are very few honest/capable people around here.

Nope. Hatred of Jews and Israel from the left is based, not on religion, but on a hatred for capitalism, wealth and historical "imperialism". The hatred is about these issues, which is why the United States is, in fact, the ultimate target. This brand of hatred is far more widespread- at present anyway- on the left than the hatred we see from Candace Owens loony tunes. Of course, you'd have to step out of your echo chamber and peek at some "decolonize _____" texts in order to understand.

[badrouter]

11 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Imagine the irony of this thread.

Right-wing loon FreeBird starts a thread to gloat about the murder of a healthcare executive.

Then right-wing loon badrouter posts in the very same thread to complain about *far-left* people supporting the murderer of this healthcare executive.

That's this board in a nutshell.

I don't pay attention to this board enough to know where everyone is at ideologically. 

[I AM IRONMAN]

4 minutes ago, badrouter said:

I don't pay attention to this board enough to know where everyone is at ideologically. 

How DARE you say that to the most self righteous blowhard on a…..wait for it……..wait…….almost there……

…….A HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL FORUM!
🤣🇺🇸

[FreeBird]

[FreeBird]

11 hours ago, Rippers said:

Both sides have had ample time to fix this and neither side has addressed the main problem.  Ironically, the murder has finally amplified the real issue with healthcare and its not just the United Health Care CEO to blame.  He is a victim here.

The problem is not lack of affordable healthcare.  The ACA, while making it easier and more affordable to get coverage, offers crappy plans that reimburse hospitals at less than Medicare rates (which usually run in the neighborhood of 30 cents on the dollar).  The end result is that most medical systems are not in network with them, which is oxymoronic to having that coverage.

United Health Care, and the companies they own, among them Optum, are well known in the industry to almost automatically deny most claims, forcing healthcare organizations into costly appeals which usually end up with the organizations celebrating any payment they get.  I cannot tell you how many meetings I have been in on where the business office is bragging that they were able to get UHC to pay $50,000 on a legitimate $500,000 claim.  Instances like this are why you are seeing less and less stand alone hospitals and more mergers into large corporations (think Kaiser).  

Health care reform does mean making health care more affordable.  But to do that, the payers need to be held accountable to deliver on their contracted terms.  This will help stop healthcare organizations, especially non profits, from raising their prices simply in order to meet their budgets.  And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

It's its not just UHC guilty of this.

 

I’m telling u now  , jury is gonna acquit 

 

LUIGI out here doing the Lords work

 

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

This is patently false. 

No, it's not not.

You only consume right-wing claptrap. Which is obvious by your posting history.

👇

21 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Badrouter is outing himself as one of these braindead right-wing clowns who clearly just gets their news from YouTube clickbait.

Not a single intellecually honest, or curious, cell in that brain of his.

Conservatives Face Backlash From Followers Over UnitedHealthcare Murder

Conservative pundits are facing backlash from their own followers for accusing those on the left of celebrating the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Commentators like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh are being told by their supporters that they've got it wrong when it comes to Thompson's murder.

Over the weekend, both Shapiro and Walsh harshly condemned liberals for cheering on the assassination in respective episodes of their eponymous podcasts, titled "The EVIL Revolutionary Left Cheers Murder!" and " Why The Left Is Really Celebrating The Murder Of A CEO."

But their followers disagreed with their criticisms and defended the left, arguing that they felt the same way about Thompson's death and bashing Shapiro and Walsh for being "out of touch" as wealthy media personalities.

 

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

You, on the other hand, come across as a Democrat, who roots for his tribe to "win". 

Again, you clearly haven't left your right-wing bubble in a very long time.

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, badrouter said:

Smearing any/everyone with a different perspective as "far right" is a failed tactic.

You entered a thread where a right-wing loon was gloating over the death of a healthcare CEO and your entire post was scolding the "left" for praising the murderer of said CEO.

Nothing screams unserious right-wing loon more than that.

You don't even attempt to hide it.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

Given the nature of the grievances- hatred for wealth, and for-profit health-care- support (or lack of disgust) for the murderer figures to slant HEAVILY towards the far left (which many have tried to deny exists).

Among your other shortcomings is how stupid and uninformed you are about politics in general.

Hatred for wealth? This kid came from a wealthy family. He went to Gilman!

What the hell are you talking about? You obviously just read clickbait headlines and form your entire narrative in like 5 seconds without doing any actual research.

Inside the Mangione empire: Luigi’s arrest rocks his powerful family’s network of luxury clubs

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

But, sure, I suppose there is some truth in the "horseshoe" theory, which alleges that extremists of both tribes tend to end up in largely the same places as a result of their own stupidity. 

You're just finding this out for the first time.

Hilarious.

You just pulled this entire take straight out of your ass crack without actually reading anything about it.

You're a moron per usual.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

But, you know what?

IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!

You're the one who made the claim.

In a thread where a right-winger was celebrating his murder.

Now you're trying to claim that it doesn't matter.

Chef's kiss.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

We ought to be able to condemn the awful, revolting, terrifying support we've witnessed given to the Oct. 7 attacks and for this murderous brat.

Again, what the hell are you talking about?

Who said otherwise?

My post that you quoted *was* a condemnation of this "brat" and his actions.

You're just a loon who cares more about pushing your preconceived narratives.

Seek help.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

As I said, I'm not a member of either tribe.

Nobody believes you.

It amazing how people think that saying they're not a partisan loon is more convincing than your actions.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

I suspect- with good reason- that the support for both of the aforementioned acts of terrorism are overwhelmingly from radical leftists.

😆

You suspect because you don't actually do any research and you just regurgitate what you see on YouTube clickbait videos.

It's funny watching bozos like you walk into rakes because you're so deluded.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

But, my only reason for stating as much is an interest in being accurate in what I say.

😄

You barged into a thread where a right-wing loon was gloating over the murder of a healthcare CEO and cared so little for that *fact* that you immediately starting blaming people who had nothing to do with said thread.

Accuracy is the least of your concerns. Agenda-pushing is clearly your main concern.

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, badrouter said:

If evidence - not yet offered- exists that support for the murder really is split ( 97% left and 3% right is not that) then I'm happy to amend my view and claim.

They're not doing scientific polling on this issue, dumbass.

All we can go by is the social media reaction and it's almost unanimous. 

It's like you're just finding out that this country is seriously fucked.

You're a moron.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

What I have NOT said is that "Democrats support Mangione". It is extremist lunatics who support him. And we should all be appalled by the widespread support for him. 

Except you did not say we should be appalled by that. You blamed exactly one set of people *in a thread that was started by someone completely different.*

You embarrassed yourself again. As you usually do.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

We have a MAJOR extremism problem and it only appears to be growing in scope and severity. Democrats and Republicans alike need to unite in condemning it. Stop trying to "win" be trying to paint a picture which shows extremism is only a one-side issue.

This is an attempt to mitigate what you said previously.

You did not condemn extremism in general.

You went on a screed about "the left" in a thread started by a right-winger.

You are unserious and are simply trying to save face.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, badrouter said:

Nope. 

Yes, you clearly aren't even somewhat educated on antisemitism and where it comes from.

In fact, you don't seem to be educated very much on any topic.

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, badrouter said:

Hatred of Jews and Israel from the left is based, not on religion, but on a hatred for capitalism, wealth and historical "imperialism". 

So in trying to refute what I said (and failing miserably) you have done exactly what I accused others like you of doing.

Israel does not automatically mean Jew.

My claim was explicitly about the difference between hating one and hating the other.

But you are incapable of understanding such things because it's not right-wing clickbait.

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, badrouter said:

The hatred is about these issues, which is why the United States is, in fact, the ultimate target. 

You only think this because you live in the United States.

Are you trying to say that there isn't any left-wing ant-Israel and/or antisemitic sentiment in, say, France or the UK?

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, badrouter said:

This brand of hatred is far more widespread- at present anyway- on the left than the hatred we see from Candace Owens loony tunes. 

Because it's conflated with anti-Israel sentiment due to current events (October 7th).

You're just a narrative pusher so it doesn't compute.

"Geez, I wonder why there's seemingly more antisemitism in the wake of October 7th!"

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, badrouter said:

Of course, you'd have to step out of your echo chamber and peek at some "decolonize _____" texts in order to understand.

Of course, I have but I understand that "decolonize" doesn't account for even a majority of antisemitism among the left. Let alone altogether.

This is just a pet project of ours and so you are incapable of rational thought.

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, badrouter said:

I don't pay attention to this board enough to know where everyone is at ideologically. 

You don't even pay enough attention to know where *you* are ideologically.