RedZone Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 9 hours ago, Fred said: You too missed the point. I'm not whining or upset, I'm seriously asking. After very similar seasons culminating in Grayson convincingly beating Carrollton, Carrollton went up in the poll and Grayson went down. Why? So far, no one has answered the question, only attempted to belittle me. It makes those rankings very suspect. You are letting Massey ruin your life. Don't let Massey ruin your life. You beat Carrollton (guess that's good), won state and are recognized as a Top 10 team in some polls. That really should be enough for a normal person. Nobody gets what they want in every single high school poll that's out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 9 hours ago, Fred said: And that's what I'm asking oh self absorbed one. And you're asking because you're stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 9 hours ago, Fred said: Answer the question. That's all it will take for this thread to stop. I did answer and, shock, this thread is still going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 11 hours ago, RedZone said: You are letting Massey ruin your life. Don't let Massey ruin your life. You beat Carrollton (guess that's good), won state and are recognized as a Top 10 team in some polls. That really should be enough for a normal person. Nobody gets what they want in every single high school poll that's out there. He has zero impact on my life. I asked a question more out of curiosity than anything else and as an example of why people look askance at these polls is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 9 Author Report Share Posted January 9 12 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: And you're asking because you're stupid. Anyone asking for knowledge is smart. Those withholding answers are the ones that are stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 9 Author Report Share Posted January 9 12 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: I did answer and, shock, this thread is still going. No, you didn't and still haven't. You said I don't understand the algorithm but gave zero explanation of why it did what it did which was the question. Is your reading comprehension that bad? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 14 hours ago, Fred said: I asked a question more out of curiosity than anything else and as an example of why people look askance at these polls is all. You asked a question out of ignorance and then concluded something stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 13 hours ago, Fred said: Anyone asking for knowledge is smart. It's ignorance. You've been on this board for years and didn't even know how a simple high school football algorithm worked. And you only inquired when your fanboy rooting interest was rated behind a team they beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 13 hours ago, Fred said: No, you didn't and still haven't. And still you insist that you're not stupid. You didn't understand this before and still don't even after it's been explained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 13 hours ago, Fred said: You said I don't understand the algorithm but gave zero explanation of why it did what it did which was the question. It's all in this thread. You're just too stupid/lazy. Carrollton performed slightly better offensively/defensively against a slightly tougher schedule. Hence why they're slightly ahead of Grayson in the ratings. That's it. Being this dumb/obtuse is a choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted January 9 Report Share Posted January 9 14 hours ago, Fred said: Anyone asking for knowledge is smart. Those withholding answers are the ones that are stupid. I would venture to guess that it’s purely a computer ranking based on the perceived strength of the team and perceived strength of schedules. I agree with you that it makes no sense when you beat a team head up to be ranked below them. Unless it was some monumental gaffe or upset, and they had a much better record than you the whole year. But that’s not the case here. So I agree with you, it’s a bad ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 10 Author Report Share Posted January 10 18 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: You asked a question out of ignorance and then concluded something stupid. 18 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: It's ignorance. You've been on this board for years and didn't even know how a simple high school football algorithm worked. And you only inquired when your fanboy rooting interest was rated behind a team they beat. 18 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: And still you insist that you're not stupid. You didn't understand this before and still don't even after it's been explained. 18 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: It's all in this thread. You're just too stupid/lazy. Carrollton performed slightly better offensively/defensively against a slightly tougher schedule. Hence why they're slightly ahead of Grayson in the ratings. That's it. Being this dumb/obtuse is a choice. Ignorance is not bad. It simply means you don't know. I would much rather ask a question out of ignorance to increase my knowledge than to let it be. Too bad your supposed intelligence doesn't recognize that. Your first attempt to actually answer the question clearly shows you didn't comprehend the question. We beat Carrollton rather substantially. Had you seen the game you would understand that. But after a convincing win over them, they went UP and we went DOWN. I never asked why they were ranked above us in the original post. I didn't question the relative ranking. I questioned why the movement in the opposing directions WHEN WE BEAT THEM HEAD TO HEAD IN THE FINAL GAME FOR THE SHIP! If our win over them miraculously made their schedule that much stronger and ours that much weaker, that is just messed up. But again, the question is not the relative ranking (which went flapping over your head), but the movement. Had it happened to your team, you would have been foaming at the mouth and spouting all sorts of verbal/written diarrhea. You've bitched about rankings before. You really aren't as smart as you think you are and continually show it. Talk about being obtuse! SMH. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, Fred said: Ignorance is not bad. Unless you're cognitively limited, it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, Fred said: I would much rather ask a question out of ignorance to increase my knowledge than to let it be. Too bad your supposed intelligence doesn't recognize that. You didn't even really ask a question. You just burst out with your hot a take without knowing a single thing about what you were talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, Fred said: Your first attempt to actually answer the question clearly shows you didn't comprehend the question. We beat Carrollton rather substantially. Had you seen the game you would understand that. But after a convincing win over them, they went UP and we went DOWN. I never asked why they were ranked above us in the original post. I didn't question the relative ranking. I questioned why the movement in the opposing directions WHEN WE BEAT THEM HEAD TO HEAD IN THE FINAL GAME FOR THE SHIP! If our win over them miraculously made their schedule that much stronger and ours that much weaker, that is just messed up. But again, the question is not the relative ranking (which went flapping over your head), but the movement. It's all the same reason. You don't understand simple concepts. You lash out like a silly fanboy in response. There are other variables then just "Team A beat Team B today." They had 14 other opponents. Did those teams play/win? How about their opponents' opponents? Not everything revolves around your dipshit school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wosinc Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 On 12/31/2024 at 6:15 PM, Fred said: I was reading an article in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution about Milton and where they wound up in national rankings. To be honest, I was looking for where Grayson wound up after our championship win. This is was was posted for the Massey rankings. Massey Ratings (Top 100) 4. (11) Milton 5. (8) Carrollton 11. (23) Buford 36. (33) Grayson Grayson beat Carrollton for the top class championship in GA. Tell me how Carrollton moved UP in the rankings from #8 to #5 and how Grayson moved DOWN from #33 to #36? I get Grayson not being in the top ten since we lost our opener. I even get although I might disagree with Grayson being in the 30s in his rankings. What I don't get is how the team we beat moved up while we moved down especially since the game was for the ship and especially since it wasn't a 1 point game or a win in the final seconds on a Hail Mary or something like that. Most of the other polls have us in the top 15 or even top 10. I'm good with all of those but this just doesn't make sense to me. Can someone explain it to me please? Come to think of it, how did Buford who went out in the semifinals move up 12 spots? It makes no sense. 9 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: You didn't even really ask a question. You just burst out with your hot a take without knowing a single thing about what you were talking about. Technically you’re correct. He didn’t ask A question. Actually he asked two questions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 6 hours ago, Wosinc said: Technically you’re correct. He didn’t ask A question. Actually he asked two questions. You didn't answer one of them.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 11 Author Report Share Posted January 11 16 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: Unless you're cognitively limited, it is. So that's what your problem is? 16 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: It's all the same reason. You don't understand simple concepts. You lash out like a silly fanboy in response. There are other variables then just "Team A beat Team B today." They had 14 other opponents. Did those teams play/win? How about their opponents' opponents? Not everything revolves around your dipshit school. Good God man, you are so obtuse! It was the last game of the season. The rankings had us in our respective places based on the 14 other opponents. All of that was fixed in the past. The only variable was in the final game of both of our seasons which was played against each other. Nothing else changed relative to our respective positions. It doesn't matter what went on in the rest of the universe as that should have affected both teams equally. I don't care that much where we both were ranked relatively. The whole and sole point is that in a head to head competition where nothing else changed in the respective seasons, they lost and went up in the rankings and we won and went down in the same rankings. There is no logical reason for that. If other teams won and lost that would have affected the overall rankings, it should have had the same impact on both of us. We both should have floated up or down relatively the same based on those outside factors. It shouldn't even be considered a "good" loss. They were projected to win by 2 scores and instead lost by 2 scores. That's a 4 score difference. They were rewarded for loosing and we were penalized for winning. That's just wrong. Face it. You didn't read for comprehension (assuming you are able to), and in your efforts to be a jerk, jumped in on the wrong side of the argument. Instead of admitting your error and dropping it (God knows you would never publicly admit it), you just keep doubling and tripling down digging your hole deeper supporting an unsupportable position. Your attempts to insult me fail because 1) I don't care anything about you so what you say has zero impact on me, 2) they highlight your insecurity as they apply to you and your position more than me. I continue to engage in this because it amuses me and I have plenty of time especially since the holiday season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wosinc Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, RedZone said: You didn't answer one of them.... He didn’t ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 8 hours ago, Fred said: So that's what your problem is? I'm not ignorant of how these things work though. You are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 The only thing I can think of that makes any sense is the computer doesn’t know it’s the last game. And they only see Grayson with 1 loss to a team NOT ranked in the state top 10. And Carrollton with 1 loss to a team that IS ranked in the state top 5. on top of Carrollton having a better schedule overall. I’m not justifying it, but nothing else makes sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 On 1/2/2025 at 4:51 PM, Fred said: State rankings but still, how does Carrollton wind up ahead of us when we beat them soundly? Makes no sense. Massey Ratings had Carrollton rated 8th in the country and Grayson not in the their top 25, the week of their state final matchup. Massey dropped Carrollton to 21 and raised Grayson to 23 after Grayson’s victory. Massey is an algorithm rating system that doesn’t accentuate a head to head matchup as a marquee criteria for ratings placement, nor apparently do they boost a state final game victory with as much emphasis/weighting as CalPreps does (the other algorithm rating service). Only an algorithm system would have Carrollton above Grayson at the end of this season. In 2012, only a non algorithm (human) poll would list John Curtis as a MNC… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 5 hours ago, golfaddict1 said: Massey Ratings had Carrollton rated 8th in the country and Grayson not in the their top 25, the week of their state final matchup. Massey dropped Carrollton to 21 and raised Grayson to 23 after Grayson’s victory. Massey is an algorithm rating system that doesn’t accentuate a head to head matchup as a marquee criteria for ratings placement, nor apparently do they boost a state final game victory with as much emphasis/weighting as CalPreps does (the other algorithm rating service). Only an algorithm system would have Carrollton above Grayson at the end of this season. In 2012, only a non algorithm (human) poll would list John Curtis as a MNC… Only an algorithm could have 4A Celina, TX #13 in the nation despite the fact that they didn't play ONE 5A or 6A Texas team. AND their best win of the season was vs a 3A team named Gunter. Your algorithms are complete garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted January 11 Report Share Posted January 11 What people believe and want to believe is just really mind boggling sometimes. But it is the internet and high school football> so there's that, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 9 hours ago, RedZone said: Only an algorithm could have 4A Celina, TX #13 in the nation despite the fact that they didn't play ONE 5A or 6A Texas team. AND their best win of the season was vs a 3A team named Gunter. Your algorithms are complete garbage. Yeah, OK Massey. Southlake Carroll #9 Vandegrift #20 Reality 👇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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