Cat_Scratch Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 Thought I would post the FHSAA site for anyone interested in the new Florida playoff format. New point system leaves some scratching their heads as brand name teams miss playoffs for scheduling tough games and losing a few. https://floridahsfootball.com/2017/10/31/fhsaa-releases-final-playoff-points-system-update-heading-selection-sunday/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Scratch Posted November 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 The Schedule link helps for figuring out how points are awarded. What is missing is that some teams scheduled very soft and made the playoffs. http://www.fhsaa.org/sports/football 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 So do the top 4 teams make it or only the ones highlighted in red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 39 minutes ago, Cat_Scratch said: Thought I would post the FHSAA site for anyone interested in the new Florida playoff format. New point system leaves some scratching their heads as brand name teams miss playoffs for scheduling tough games and losing a few. https://floridahsfootball.com/2017/10/31/fhsaa-releases-final-playoff-points-system-update-heading-selection-sunday/ Who outside of BTW who is 4-5 and would have a outside shot of making it had they rescheduled Miami Southridge game and won or won at least 1 of their other tough games They would have made it at 6-4 but 4-5 isn't helping matters MCC is projected to make it despite people thinking they would be a casualty of the system Who else is outside looking in? Like honestly who i scanned it last week but I'm not sure what it looks like this week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 27 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: So do the top 4 teams make it or only the ones highlighted in red. The ones highlighted in red are ones projected to make it and if you look further down it also shows the projected first round matchups One sec I'll write up a example that will also show the second round matchups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 7a region 1 1 seed Bartram Trail 2 seed Robert E Lee 3 seed Edgewater 4 seed Lincoln 5 seed Columbia 6 seed Fleming Island 7 seed East Ridge 8 seed Hagerty 1 seed Bartram Trail hosts 8 seed Hagerty 2 seed Robert E Lee hosts 7 seed East Ridge 3 seed Edgewater hosts 6 seed Fleming Island 4 seed Lincoln hosts 5 seed Columbia 2nd round Winner of Bartram Trail/Hagarty will play winner of Lincoln/Columbia Higher seed of 2 winners host Winner of Robert E Lee/East Ridge will play winner of Edgewater/Fleming Island Higher seed of 2 winners host 3rd round Winners of 2nd round games play, higher seed hosts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORabidOne Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Cat_Scratch said: Thought I would post the FHSAA site for anyone interested in the new Florida playoff format. New point system leaves some scratching their heads as brand name teams miss playoffs for scheduling tough games and losing a few. https://floridahsfootball.com/2017/10/31/fhsaa-releases-final-playoff-points-system-update-heading-selection-sunday/ SOOOOOOO, they don't get brownie points for being competitive and LOOOOOSING against quality competition? GEEEEZ, I suspect that you're gonna see a MASS EXODUS, of your powers playing challenging non conference match ups! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORabidOne Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 55 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: 7a region 1 1 seed Bartram Trail 2 seed Robert E Lee 3 seed Edgewater 4 seed Lincoln 5 seed Columbia 6 seed Fleming Island 7 seed East Ridge 8 seed Hagerty 1 seed Bartram Trail hosts 8 seed Hagerty 2 seed Robert E Lee hosts 7 seed East Ridge 3 seed Edgewater hosts 6 seed Fleming Island 4 seed Lincoln hosts 5 seed Columbia 2nd round Winner of Bartram Trail/Hagarty will play winner of Lincoln/Columbia Higher seed of 2 winners host Winner of Robert E Lee/East Ridge will play winner of Edgewater/Fleming Island Higher seed of 2 winners host 3rd round Winners of 2nd round games play, higher seed hosts SOOOOOOO, WAIT a dang minute! You're saying that there are only EIGHT TEAMS in the 7A PLAYOFFS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, ORabidOne said: SOOOOOOO, WAIT a dang minute! You're saying that there are only EIGHT TEAMS in the 7A PLAYOFFS? 8 per region Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bamarod Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, ORabidOne said: SOOOOOOO, they don't get brownie points for being competitive and LOOOOOSING against quality competition? GEEEEZ, I suspect that you're gonna see a MASS EXODUS, of your powers playing challenging non conference match ups! Not so sure about scheduling down. Viera went undefeated 4 years ago playing mostly Brevard teams(which were mediocre at best). First round of play-offs got blown out by Port Charlotte. Team was totally unprepared for speed and physical play at that level. Coach Mays learned from that, and Viera plays one of the hardest regular season schedules possible to condition team to play at a play-off level. The biggest schools also have great coaches and realize to go far in play-offs a challenging schedule is a must. I hope the system can be manipulated better to take into account a schedule like BTW and reward it as opposed to hurting it. The last thing highschool football fans want to see is scheduling being downgraded.We all lose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Scratch Posted November 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 3 hours ago, ORabidOne said: SOOOOOOO, they don't get brownie points for being competitive and LOOOOOSING against quality competition? GEEEEZ, I suspect that you're gonna see a MASS EXODUS, of your powers playing challenging non conference match ups! This guy gets a gold star. That is the problem this year. I guess what they are trying to do is level the playing field by forcing teams to play like teams. The better the team you play and win, the better your chances of making the playoffs and having a high seed. Schedule a soft schedule and you may get in but there is a good chance you are not ready for the playoffs and you will travel the whole way to state. The #1 seed has home field through out the playoffs until the championships which will be played in Orlando. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Scratch Posted November 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 4 regions in 5 through 8A with 8 playoff teams in each region. 4 regions in 1 through 4A with 4 teams in each region. 5 through 8A will play a total of 5 games including the finals in Orlando. 1 through 4A will play a total of 4 games including the finals in Orlando. 1 through 4A will play the Friday and Saturday weekend before 5 through 8A for a total of 4 games the last 2 weekends of the HS football season in Florida. Not sure if Florida will host a National playoff this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 19 hours ago, Cat_Scratch said: Thought I would post the FHSAA site for anyone interested in the new Florida playoff format. New point system leaves some scratching their heads as brand name teams miss playoffs for scheduling tough games and losing a few. https://floridahsfootball.com/2017/10/31/fhsaa-releases-final-playoff-points-system-update-heading-selection-sunday/ Moeller got in the playoffs in Ohio with a 4-6 record. They got in over Elder who beat Moeller by 4 scores. Moeller played the more difficult schedule and beat Scott County, who's the no.2 team in Kentucky and St. Ignatius who is a top 4 or 5 team in Ohio. Scott County went 8 and 2 and St. Ignatius went 9 and 1. It's all about who you beat and their final record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 The whole thing is stupid. If Florida had the correct number of classes, the correct number of teams per class, and larger districts, this would never be an issue. FLA needs to cut it to 6 classes. Each class except the bottom one or two, would have about 120 teams and 7-8 team districts. This would ensure quality, winning teams make the playoffs. If they want to get away from the rigid formula they had before for playing the first 3 rounds solely based on geographic district, I'm fine with that. They could just seed the teams 1-8 and continue to reseed. Vote by the principals, AD's, and head coaches by each team in the region (not just the ones that qualified for the playoffs) would do the job. District Champs get seeds 1-4 in the first round of seedings, and then it would be open after that. That alone would make it more competitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletrain06 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 4 hours ago, nptb17 said: Moeller got in the playoffs in Ohio with a 4-6 record. They got in over Elder who beat Moeller by 4 scores. Moeller played the more difficult schedule and beat Scott County, who's the no.2 team in Kentucky and St. Ignatius who is a top 4 or 5 team in Ohio. Scott County went 8 and 2 and St. Ignatius went 9 and 1. It's all about who you beat and their final record. Read up on the FL point system, and it seems like an amateurish attempt at the Ohio Harbin system......There's a few big flaws, first and foremost getting points for losses...... that is a terrible idea and the OHSAA has always been vehemently against that idea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, Coletrain06 said: Read up on the FL point system, and it seems like an amateurish attempt at the Ohio Harbin system......There's a few big flaws, first and foremost getting points for losses...... that is a terrible idea and the OHSAA has always been vehemently against that idea. Oh yea did you finish the GA project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 31 minutes ago, Coletrain06 said: Read up on the FL point system, and it seems like an amateurish attempt at the Ohio Harbin system......There's a few big flaws, first and foremost getting points for losses...... that is a terrible idea and the OHSAA has always been vehemently against that idea. So beating Terry Parker should get points but losing to img shouldn't? Good luck convincing Florida teams to play good in state competition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 32 minutes ago, Coletrain06 said: Read up on the FL point system, and it seems like an amateurish attempt at the Ohio Harbin system......There's a few big flaws, first and foremost getting points for losses...... that is a terrible idea and the OHSAA has always been vehemently against that idea. And it's based on Nebraska system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletrain06 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 49 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: Oh yea did you finish the GA project Halfway done. Took a break to get back to Ohios this week. Should finish it tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletrain06 Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Columbiafan said: So beating Terry Parker should get points but losing to img shouldn't? Good luck convincing Florida teams to play good in state competition No you should never get points for losing games. By giving losing teams points, all you do is create a situation where the lower or middling teams can stay with the rest of the teams by winning a few games and bounce better teams from the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, Coletrain06 said: No you should never get points for losing games. By giving losing teams points, all you do is create a situation where the lower or middling teams can stay with the rest of the teams by winning a few games and bounce better teams from the playoffs Guess we should schedule Bell and isb and englewood and never play a good team again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 A system that gets no points for losses will lead to teams scheduling the worst teams they can find and means less good matchups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 So if im understandung this correctly... The only reason STA got in is because they beat SJB. Had they lost they wouldve been out... or in because they where #1 in their piss poor district? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: So if im understandung this correctly... The only reason STA got in is because they beat SJB. Had they lost they wouldve been out... or in because they where #1 in their piss poor district? No they would have been in They are number 1 seed in region 4 by a stretch plus they in a 3 team district with Fort Lauderdale and Ely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted November 2, 2017 Report Share Posted November 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: No they would have been in They are number 1 seed in region 4 by a stretch plus they in a 3 team district with Fort Lauderdale and Ely Yea STA's region is hot garbage.... STA's offense is terrible... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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