Those Ignorant NFL Kneeling Fools

[DevilDog]

That seems to be the common refrain from most of what I have read here concerning this matter. Until you walk in a man shoes don't complain about the holes he has developed in them.  The majority of Police Officers are great at what they do.  The majority of Teachers are too.  So why do you get so damn upset when one Teacher Bangs his student but refuse the same logic when bad cops click off safe and abuse someone that doesn't resemble you. Then your immediate response is if he only just obeyed.  I have been taught as a youth that when a cop stops me I should pretty much become a Coon toward him to protect myself and every African American that posts here knows what I mean.  We had this discussion at my office last week among an eclectic group of smart people. 

Now since the NFL players have become such a topic of conversation and the Atlantic Ocean leaning crowd constant diatribe that they are stupid, have no merit and it is just all B.S.  Hell one person here call Gentlemen such as myself Thugs and Fatherless monsters daily without remorse.  Would I have merit to protest this board and would you feel that I am just a fool too?  I don't know if you are aware very few African Americans post on here any more including myself.   Think of the guys who did and go look for their names.  HF, Bones, Lufkin, SOC a few Ga guys, and others.   Thugs seek confrontation, Gentlemen react with grace you decide which group those guys fell into and who was seeking a reaction from them.  They all took a proverbial knee and HawgGoneIt  months ago admitted such in one of his posts that I read.  That they all were no longer here and that was not for the good of the board.  So enjoy your daily I hate Trump and Hillary is a Bitch posts and 100 meme's of each depending on what side of the fence your nuts hang. 

Well I present to you exhibit A.  I will assure you just like claiming every White Mass shooter is just a lone wolf.  Maybe that is true but when multiple acts are committed it is called a pack of Wolves.  This guy I present is among a pack of wolves in Law enforcement to include members of the KKK who have infiltrated Law enforcement in Fl. Recently.  Now I know a black man that can run, jump and tackle should just shut his damn mouth because no way he could have an informed opinion about a certain reality.   I would never kneel before the Flag or sit during the National Anthem but I am indoctrinated in Military Courtesy and Customs.

Explain this to me. I am looking for a meaningful dialogue on this.  There are several here that I disagree with Politically but enjoy their posts.  Concha, RT, IronMan, NorcalRuss, and THC.    I am specifically interested in what you Gentlemen have to say about this. I know you don't agree with the NFL guys on their course of action.   But I want you to know that Protest is meant to cause discomfort to those it is trying to reach.   I find if funny in 1965 Nikita Khrushchev was the only person more hated than Dr. Martin Luther King  and it was very close % wise.  He protested peacefully as well.  Just some perspective.   

http://www.newsweek.com/former-new-jersey-police-chief-arrested-hate-crime-charges-after-saying-black-698614

In a Wednesday press release, Acting U.S. Attorney William Fitzpatrick said the allegations against Nucera paint a picture of "intense racial animosity toward African Americans," particularly the allegations of excessive force. 

"The conduct alleged is a shocking breach of the duty of every police officer to provide equal justice under the law and never to mistreat a person in custody," Fitzpatrick said. "As a result, the former chief of police is now a charged federal criminal defendant."

 

[DarterBlue]

This is very disturbing. But, sadly, there are others out there. The USA has made a lot of progress over the past 50 to 60 years. However, we are not there yet. And, more frighteningly, there is a distinct possibility we may regress. 

All well meaning citizens should strive to avoid this happening. 

Societies built on racial superiority have a fatal flaw. For once this becomes the prevailing ideology, where does it stop? Who gets excluded (executed) next? Italians? Slavs? People from the Caucasus (oh the profound irony here)? 

This county, though imperfect, is far better than that. I hope it remains so. 

[DevilDog]

8 minutes ago, DarterBlue said:

This is very disturbing. But, sadly, there are others out there. The USA has made a lot of progress over the past 50 to 60 years. However, we are not there yet. And, more frighteningly, there is a distinct possibility we may regress. 

All well meaning citizens should strive to avoid this happening. 

Societies built on racial superiority have a fatal flaw. For once this becomes the prevailing ideology, where does it stop? Who gets excluded (executed) next? Italians? Slavs? People from the Caucasus (oh the profound irony here)? 

This county, though imperfect, is far better than that. I hope it remains so. 

I agree in totality sir.  But it is frightening that in 2017 a NFL Player submitting by taking a knee (that is submission to the uniformed) is hated more than men recreating Klan/Nazi Nostalgia by marching with torches shouting anti-Jewish rhetoric in Modern Virginia.  Regression as you noted is not just a distinct possibility it is a reality.  If that Police Chief was of such character imagine the officers under his command. 

[DarterBlue]

20 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

I agree in totality sir.  But it is frightening that in 2017 a NFL Player submitting by taking a knee (that is submission to the uniformed) is hated more than men recreating Klan/Nazi Nostalgia by marching with torches shouting anti-Jewish rhetoric in Modern Virginia.  Regression as you noted is not just a distinct possibility it is a reality.  If that Police Chief was of such character imagine the officers under his command. 

Some would have been given license to act out on their prejudices. Others would have held on to their jobs in great pain because they needed the check. It depends on what kind of attitude they came to the job with. Regardless, it would have been a toxic place to work. 

[DevilDog]

“An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law”
Martin Luther King Jr.

 

 1965 unacceptable behavior. 

2017  Unacceptable Behavior

[World Citizen]

2 hours ago, DevilDog said:

That seems to be the common refrain from most of what I have read here concerning this matter. Until you walk in a man shoes don't complain about the holes he has developed in them.  The majority of Police Officers are great at what they do.  The majority of Teachers are too.  So why do you get so damn upset when one Teacher Bangs his student but refuse the same logic when bad cops click off safe and abuse someone that doesn't resemble you. Then your immediate response is if he only just obeyed.  I have been taught as a youth that when a cop stops me I should pretty much become a Coon toward him to protect myself and every African American that posts here knows what I mean.  We had this discussion at my office last week among an eclectic group of smart people. 

Now since the NFL players have become such a topic of conversation and the Atlantic Ocean leaning crowd constant diatribe that they are stupid, have no merit and it is just all B.S.  Hell one person here call Gentlemen such as myself Thugs and Fatherless monsters daily without remorse.  Would I have merit to protest this board and would you feel that I am just a fool too?  I don't know if you are aware very few African Americans post on here any more including myself.   Think of the guys who did and go look for their names.  HF, Bones, Lufkin, SOC a few Ga guys, and others.   Thugs seek confrontation, Gentlemen react with grace you decide which group those guys fell into and who was seeking a reaction from them.  They all took a proverbial knee and HawgGoneIt  months ago admitted such in one of his posts that I read.  That they all were no longer here and that was not for the good of the board.  So enjoy your daily I hate Trump and Hillary is a Bitch posts and 100 meme's of each depending on what side of the fence your nuts hang. 

Well I present to you exhibit A.  I will assure you just like claiming every White Mass shooter is just a lone wolf.  Maybe that is true but when multiple acts are committed it is called a pack of Wolves.  This guy I present is among a pack of wolves in Law enforcement to include members of the KKK who have infiltrated Law enforcement in Fl. Recently.  Now I know a black man that can run, jump and tackle should just shut his damn mouth because no way he could have an informed opinion about a certain reality.   I would never kneel before the Flag or sit during the National Anthem but I am indoctrinated in Military Courtesy and Customs.

Explain this to me. I am looking for a meaningful dialogue on this.  There are several here that I disagree with Politically but enjoy their posts.  Concha, RT, IronMan, NorcalRuss, and THC.    I am specifically interested in what you Gentlemen have to say about this. I know you don't agree with the NFL guys on their course of action.   But I want you to know that Protest is meant to cause discomfort to those it is trying to reach.   I find if funny in 1965 Nikita Khrushchev was the only person more hated than Dr. Martin Luther King  and it was very close % wise.  He protested peacefully as well.  Just some perspective.   

http://www.newsweek.com/former-new-jersey-police-chief-arrested-hate-crime-charges-after-saying-black-698614

In a Wednesday press release, Acting U.S. Attorney William Fitzpatrick said the allegations against Nucera paint a picture of "intense racial animosity toward African Americans," particularly the allegations of excessive force. 

"The conduct alleged is a shocking breach of the duty of every police officer to provide equal justice under the law and never to mistreat a person in custody," Fitzpatrick said. "As a result, the former chief of police is now a charged federal criminal defendant."

 

Excellent post.  I just want to add that when people try to change what players are kneeling for, and insert they're own reasons, we will never come to any understanding.  

Who is hurt by simply acknowledging that injustices occur and that innocent people are getting murdered without any justice?  I'll answer that.  Nobody.  

Until that simple act of acknowledgement occurs we will be talking past each other and getting mad and defensive at the same time.  Not a good combination.  

[World Citizen]

I will add another important point.  To me anyway.  Our spirits are without color or the color of water if you will.  We are spirits having a human experience.  If looked at like this it makes the idea of racism extremely silly.  

It costs absolutely nothing to remember this.  

[DevilDog]

6 minutes ago, World Citizen said:

I will add another important point.  To me anyway.  Our spirits are without color or the color of water if you will.  We are spirits having a human experience.  If looked at like this it makes the idea of racism extremely silly.  

It costs absolutely nothing to remember this.  

AMEN

[ResidentTroll]

9 hours ago, DevilDog said:

  I am specifically interested in what you Gentlemen have to say about this. 

http://www.newsweek.com/former-new-jersey-police-chief-arrested-hate-crime-charges-after-saying-black-698614

"The conduct alleged is a shocking breach of the duty of every police officer to provide equal justice under the law and never to mistreat a person in custody," Fitzpatrick said. 

 

Basically whether they phrase it the same way or not, every person that considers themselves fair(does not matter what color) basically agrees with your Fitzpatrick quote. 

The problems you 'seem' to be having are the same ones you project on others...but very refreshing that you actually COMMUNICATE to work thru them.

You say 'Don't judge' and 'walk in their shoes' like we are really supposed to accept that  you 'NEED' special compensation because your lives are so 'plotted against'.  It would only take a days 'walk' in any white (or other color) shoes to realize that it's THE SAME DAMN SHIT.....only we are not led to believe it is our 'colors' fault. You talk about 'cooning up' like a white person 'could never understand', yet what the hell do you think others were taught or have to do? You think white 'punks' never have to 'coon up'?  Where I grew up in the summer the cops cracked skulls on a nightly basis, so much so that it was even the name they referred to 'thugs' as (and i know several other NJ PD's that used the 'skulls' term as well). You could get 'tuned up' for 'long hair' according to all my out of town white friends. You act like those same friends who could not understand that it was the 'beligerance' that got the club up their head (or the crime if it were bad enough), not their 'long hair'.

So while there are probably still a few 17 yo's walking around that don't  'get it',  you need to understand that even while you think most don't, everyone else actually does 'get it'.

You need to take the colored 'shades' off and see things a little clearer.  when you say "Now I know a black man that can run, jump and tackle should just shut his damn mouth because no way he could have an informed opinion about a certain reality." you just show your projection again,  just repeating what only a minority of low IQ idiots spout, thinking that it applies to everyone.  Most judge based on merit, and as said before, if their stances had merit........

Wake the fuck up! Make it about 'color' (you know ..... the tool that you and the protesters are using, that everyone else is supposed to ignore) and you will lose by about 8-9 to 1.  Talk about the TOPIC  (supposed police brutality in this case) and you will find the majority in every race would work WITH YOU to make things better.  And when i tell this to other blacks they respond with your same old "you just don't understand" BS that you still seem to believe.'  I can call that BS because it's already been proven.  A majority will vote in a black man as president regardless of color, so at this point you have to believe that the rest of America can work with you no matter how 'divided' they say we all are on the 6 o'clock news......

You talk of others that have left the board.....They probably believe that it is their 'long hair' as well, when it is not...

 

 

 

 

[ResidentTroll]

46 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

 1965 unacceptable behavior. 

2017  Unacceptable Behavior

 

Acceptable and Unacceptable behavior is a great topic!!!

So my turn to query DD 

Not sure if you realize just how spot on you were with the MLK pic as defining 'Acceptable and Unacceptable'.....

Do you find the current statue destruction and other 'black washing' of history that we are encouraged to 'accept' as acceptable??

You see MLK lived in a time where our country had not yet gone thru it's 'Gay Rights' movement (remember, they rode MLK's coattails after he did all the hard work- so all my black friends tell me ).  As such, and being a 'good' black minister, he condemned gays.  With his only published comments telling a young gay man that his 'disease' needed 'curing' and proffessional help, or something to that effect.

So I propose that every MLK statue be torn down, even if his actions were 'acceptable'  at the time, as they are obviously not 'acceptable' today. We need to change all those street names and elementary schools as well! Don't argue with me, because if you try you just prove yourself homophobic.  And if you think it's not that important, then you just 'don't understand' the plight of that 'oppressed' group, can't you see how that MLK statue reminds them everyday just how 'oppressed' they are. If you don't agree with me here again, YOU ARE PART of the 'oppression'. 

Surely you agree.......no?

 No, I'm not ranting (just displaying those shoes for understanding) and not that far off topic either.  Since these 'protests' are so 'well defined' most are forced to see it all as part of EVERYTHING that's going on. Even if that's not their exact protest, how is anyone really supposed to separate them where 'color' is the only base that the protesters are standing on?  Most of these 'varied' protests are really taken more as unprovoked meritless attacks (that they are?) and we are now somehow obligated by, or supposed to 'dialogue' about them? Cerealy?  

The vitriol you see surrounding these issues are NOT because everyone else is a racist. (and racism is not proven by refusing to drop race-card from a problem and 'noticing' said vitriol).  The vitriol is actually based on the merit of said protest.  

Hopefully that's not too hard to see with 'black shades' on. 

 

[ResidentTroll]

2 hours ago, World Citizen said:

Who is hurt by simply acknowledging that injustices occur and that innocent people are getting murdered without any justice?  I'll answer that.  Nobody.  

Until that simple act of acknowledgement occurs we will be talking past each other and getting mad and defensive at the same time.  Not a good combination.  

Dude, your so off-base, I've just got to correct this...

Truth is...EVERYONE (not 'nobody') understands and  'acknowledges that injustices occur', the problem is attempting to find a 'race based' solution to an issue that seeks/requires a solution that is 'race neutral'.   Flawed logic to lead with the race card....     

[DevilDog]

49 minutes ago, ResidentTroll said:

Acceptable and Unacceptable behavior is a great topic!!!

So my turn to query DD 

Not sure if you realize just how spot on you were with the MLK pic as defining 'Acceptable and Unacceptable'.....

Do you find the current statue destruction and other 'black washing' of history that we are encouraged to 'accept' as acceptable??

You see MLK lived in a time where our country had not yet gone thru it's 'Gay Rights' movement (remember, they rode MLK's coattails after he did all the hard work- so all my black friends tell me ).  As such, and being a 'good' black minister, he condemned gays.  With his only published comments telling a young gay man that his 'disease' needed 'curing' and proffessional help, or something to that effect.

So I propose that every MLK statue be torn down, even if his actions were 'acceptable'  at the time, as they are obviously not 'acceptable' today. We need to change all those street names and elementary schools as well! Don't argue with me, because if you try you just prove yourself homophobic.  And if you think it's not that important, then you just 'don't understand' the plight of that 'oppressed' group, can't you see how that MLK statue reminds them everyday just how 'oppressed' they are. If you don't agree with me here again, YOU ARE PART of the 'oppression'. 

Surely you agree.......no?

 No, I'm not ranting (just displaying those shoes for understanding) and not that far off topic either.  Since these 'protests' are so 'well defined' most are forced to see it all as part of EVERYTHING that's going on. Even if that's not their exact protest, how is anyone really supposed to separate them where 'color' is the only base that the protesters are standing on?  Most of these 'varied' protests are really taken more as unprovoked meritless attacks (that they are?) and we are now somehow obligated by, or supposed to 'dialogue' about them? Cerealy?  

The vitriol you see surrounding these issues are NOT because everyone else is a racist. (and racism is not proven by refusing to drop race-card from a problem and 'noticing' said vitriol).  The vitriol is actually based on the merit of said protest.  

Hopefully that's not too hard to see with 'black shades' on. 

 

First of this is what I was looking for a meaningful dialogue.  Thank you sir for that.  I am going to present my answers to both of your posts in this one post if I may.  The 1st part you see unlike you I don't know what it's like to be a 17yr old white kid with long hair that is harassed by any people of authority.  You see that subtracts from the very argument because some 17 yr old white kids with long hair was abused that is classic  equivocation.   You assume because it happened to them all groups should be able to automatically know how they feel.  If you think a 17r black kid with Dreads and a 17yr old white kid with a Mullett  who both have traumatic encounters both should if I may paraphrase you know its THE SAME DAMN SHIT.   I will assure you it isn't.  Here is an example again your words Black shades on.  You see historical or actual factors determines ones thoughts and actions.  Not everything is black and white or racist.  But my experiences would lead me to a different point of view.  Lets say you and I are in a place of business and I ask to use the Restroom and the white person in the establishment says it is broken and at the moment a white guy walks out washing his hands. I by historical wrongs will automatically think they don't want a black person to use it.  Your immediate thought would be he was probably fixing it or it is broke.  Tell me why I would have the 1st response to a situation that we both maybe wrong in our assumptions. Same situation.  Black shades as you call it are black because someone spray painted over our eyes decades ago. I am not part of any oppression.  I haven't called anyone racist over their opinion on the matter.  If you remove your WHITE SHADES (pun intended)  You will see sir I would never use those actions IRT the National Colors. 

 I AM not in support of removing any Statues.  I would love to take young African American kids and others  to a statue of General Lee and tell them just what he fought for and this is the honor he is receiving.  I don't accept the term Black washing History as a term of factual relevance either. 

 

Thanks for your thoughts.  This wasn't started to change your mind it was started to know what's in your mind.  Many people want to change what others think which leads to bickering.  You can't win against an opposing view unless you know what you are up against. 

You are extremely cunning with equivocation.  Shrewd even in your technical and tactical approach. 

RT do you think Dr. King would be kneeling with them today or not?

[ResidentTroll]

27 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

First of this is what I was looking for a meaningful dialogue.  Thank you sir for that.  I am going present my answers to both of your posts in this one post if I may.  The 1st part you see unlike you I don't know what it's like to be a 17yr old white kid with long hair that is harassed by any people of authority.  You see that subtracts from the very argument because some 17 yr old white kids with long hair was abused that is classic  equivocation.   You assume because it happened to them all groups should be able to automatically know how they feel.  If you think a 17r black kid with Dreads and a 17yr old white kid with a Mullett  who both have traumatic encounters both should if I may paraphrase you know its THE SAME DAMN SHIT.   I will assure you it isn't.  Here is an example again your words Black shades on.  You see historical or actual factors determines ones thoughts and actions.  Not everything is black and white or racist.  But my experiences would lead me to a different point of view.  Lets say you and I are in a place of business and I ask to use the Restroom and the white person in the establishment says it is broken and at the moment a white guy walks out washing his hands. I by historical wrongs will automatically think they don't want a black person to use it.  Your immediate thought would be he was probably fixing it or it is broke.  Tell me why I would have the 1st response. Same situation.  Black shades as you call it are black because someone spray painted over our eyes decades ago. I am not part of any oppression.  I haven't called anyone racist over their opinion on the matter.  If you remove your WHITE SHADES (pun intended)  You will see sir I would never use those actions IRT the National Colors.  \

 I AM not in support of removing any Statues.  I would love to take young African American kids to a statue of General Lee and tell them just what he fought for and this is the honor he is receiving.  I don't accept the term Black washing History as a term of factual relevance either. 

 

Thanks for your thoughts.  This wasn't started to change your mind it was started to know what's in your mind.  Many people want to change what others think which leads to bickering.  You can't win against an opposing view unless you know what you are up against. 

As for the rest room issue what you (still) fail to realize is that it..... IS...... THE SAME DAMN SHIT...

I walk into 'White Castle' (pun) eat my burger (as the only white guy in some by me ) and when it happens to me (you think it hasn't, doesn't, or wouldn't?) I think the EXACT SAME DAMN SHIT that you do. Most adults of any color know exactly what discrimination is, and they sure as hell know when they are doing it. Sorry but you don't have a monopoly on anything, and you don't get any bonus points just because you think yours is 'harder or worse'.  EVERYBODY actually does 'get it', with the only silver lining being that is probably why everyone WOULD actually work towards a 'race neutral' solution. 

As for the 'white shades' they are the same albatross that everyone bears in a differing shade.  Trick is to see THROUGH them at everything, and not use them as a restrictive filter...   

As for the statues....well somehow i already knew your stance....was even going to note the query as rhetorical LOL.... but it made a good point.

BTW: great debate. I see you are adept at verbal jousting as well

And I am not trying to 'change' anyone's mind either, as that is a fool's task. But I do think it does help to enlighten with great conversation sometimes.

 

[DevilDog]

2 minutes ago, ResidentTroll said:

As for the rest room issue what you (still) fail to realize is that it..... IS...... THE SAME DAMN SHIT...

I walk into 'White Castle' (pun) eat my burger (as the only white guy in some by me ) and when it happens to me (you think it hasn't, doesn't, or wouldn't?) I think the EXACT SAME DAMN SHIT that you do. Most adults of any color know exactly what discrimination is, and they sure as hell know when they are doing it. Sorry but you don't have a monopoly on anything, and you don't get any bonus points just because you think yours is 'harder or worse'.  EVERYBODY actually does 'get it', with the only silver lining being that is probably why everyone WOULD actually work towards a 'race neutral' solution. 

As for the 'white shades' they are the same albatross that everyone bears in a differing shade.  Trick is to see THROUGH them at everything, and not use them as a restrictive filter...   

As for the statues....well somehow i already knew your stance....was even going to note the query as rhetorical LOL.... but it made a good point.

BTW: great debate. I see you are adept at verbal jousting as well

And I am not trying to 'change' anyone's mind either, as that is a fool's task. But I do think it does help to enlighten with great conversation sometimes.

 

Take care sir and have a wonderful weekend.  I enjoyed it as well.   ResidentTroll is very apropos for sure. 

Peace be with you: 

[ResidentTroll]

1 minute ago, DevilDog said:

Take care sir and have a wonderful weekend.  I enjoyed it as well.   ResidentTroll is very apropos for sure. 

Peace be with you: 

You as well...Peace out.

[Lamarfan]

Not many people buying that  these disrespectful Thug NFL kneelers are victims.

Lmao

[World Citizen]

8 hours ago, ResidentTroll said:

Dude, your so off-base, I've just got to correct this...

Truth is...EVERYONE (not 'nobody') understands and  'acknowledges that injustices occur', the problem is attempting to find a 'race based' solution to an issue that seeks/requires a solution that is 'race neutral'.   Flawed logic to lead with the race card....     

I am not sure how you can say that EVERYONE understands and acknowledges that injustices occur.  Have you read any previous discussions on this topic?  There are many on here who do not understand and the moment  it is brought up it turns to 1) they deserve it and should have followed the police direction. 2) thug this thug that.  When kneeling specifically comes up, many on here insist it is about disrespecting the flag, the police, our soldiers etc.  This is not correct.  Ask some on here what they think of BLM and they will say they are a terrorist group.  They are not.  These are the people who I was referring to when I say that it costs them nothing to acknowledge this reality.  It may not be a reality for those who refuse to believe what black people have been telling them.   

Imho In order to have any meaningful understanding, there must exist a shared understanding on what many people in this country are feeling, experiencing, and teaching their children about because they have too.  This is all I was trying to say to DD and I will offer my apologies to you for my inarticulate use of words. 

So no, I am not off base at all.   Who is trying to find a "race based" solution?  If my suggestion that we could come to a shared understanding that could move us further along in these conversations implies to you a "race based" solution, I simply disagree.  The label doesn't fit or make sense, at least as far as the point I was making. 

[Lamarfan]

What Injustice? Don't do the crime if you cant do the time

[World Citizen]

^^^^

Right on cue. 

[ResidentTroll]

8 hours ago, World Citizen said:

I am not sure how you can say that EVERYONE understands and acknowledges that injustices occur.  Have you read any previous discussions on this topic?  There are many on here who do not understand and the moment  it is brought up it turns to 1) they deserve it and should have followed the police direction. 2) thug this thug that.  When kneeling specifically comes up, many on here insist it is about disrespecting the flag, the police, our soldiers etc.  This is not correct.  Ask some on here what they think of BLM and they will say they are a terrorist group.  They are not.  These are the people who I was referring to when I say that it costs them nothing to acknowledge this reality.  It may not be a reality for those who refuse to believe what black people have been telling them.   

Imho In order to have any meaningful understanding, there must exist a shared understanding on what many people in this country are feeling, experiencing, and teaching their children about because they have too.  This is all I was trying to say to DD and I will offer my apologies to you for my inarticulate use of words. 

So no, I am not off base at all.   Who is trying to find a "race based" solution?  If my suggestion that we could come to a shared understanding that could move us further along in these conversations implies to you a "race based" solution, I simply disagree.  The label doesn't fit or make sense, at least as far as the point I was making. 

This is a lovely display of how you are lost in your own rhetoric.

Even with whatever  ridiculous complaints and claims people make, it's pretty safe to say that it's utterly ridiculous to operate under the assumption that they don't believe an injustice has ever occurred or that one won't occur today and even tommorow.  Do YOU REALLY believe and call out 'your' audience as being THAT stupid?

As far as BLM......try looking at a mirror and FACE THE FACTS....They are their own little version of the black race's KKK.  But you probably think it odd to compare organizations that are race based at the core.  (Clue: every race and group has their own idiots)  Support them or not is your choice, but based on the numbers a couple of thousand KKK'ers  out of how many millions of whites (which does not seem an above average % of idiots) vs how many BLM t-shirts are proudly flying on college campuses these days, and I think it's also very safe to say that the rest of the world views it as "the black's having a harder time with their own idiots right now than the whites are"  

But I am sure you already see this being the 'worldcitizen' that you are....

Sad part is it looks like those 'victim' football players were 'hoodwinked'  into becoming their KKK's 'spokesperson of the day'!!!

[Horsefly]

1 hour ago, ResidentTroll said:

This is a lovely display of how you are lost in your own rhetoric.

Even with whatever  ridiculous complaints and claims people make, it's pretty safe to say that it's utterly ridiculous to operate under the assumption that they don't believe an injustice has ever occurred or that one won't occur today and even tommorow.  Do YOU REALLY believe and call out 'your' audience as being THAT stupid?

As far as BLM......try looking at a mirror and FACE THE FACTS....They are their own little version of the black race's KKK.  But you probably think it odd to compare organizations that are race based at the core.  (Clue: every race and group has their own idiots)  Support them or not is your choice, but based on the numbers a couple of thousand KKK'ers  out of how many millions of whites (which does not seem an above average % of idiots) vs how many BLM t-shirts are proudly flying on college campuses these days, and I think it's also very safe to say that the rest of the world views it as "the black's having a harder time with their own idiots right now than the whites are"  

But I am sure you already see this being the 'worldcitizen' that you are....

Sad part is it looks like those 'victim' football players were 'hoodwinked'  into becoming their KKK's 'spokesperson of the day'!!!

The KKK and BLM are nothing alike, the intent of their actions is what sets them apart.  BLM is focused on Justice and equality, the KKK is about supremacy, white nationalism two ideals opposed by BLM.

Nothing BLM is advocating for takes away from your pursuit of life and liberty.  White nationalism (KKK)  wants to create a permanent caste system that oppresses and marginalizes blacks socially, economically and politically...

this is off BLMs website:

"We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others."

"Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported. 

We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities."

go to their website and see what the founders believe and support, it's right there to read, then we can discuss.

 

 

[ResidentTroll]

25 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

The KKK and BLM are nothing alike, the intent of their actions is what sets them apart....    ORLY?

Proven again...Looks like 'denial' is not just a river in Egypt....

Never saw a BLM T-shirt at a lynching ...er ...'Statue Teardown'???

YOU... must absolutely and wholeheartedly agree with my proposal to have BLM tear down all those MLK statues while they are achieving their/your stated:

"We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities."

 

 

[ResidentTroll]

bottom line is BLM carries the "torch of racism" as their weapon of choice, You can support it or not...

 

It has by far been their 'best' recruiting tool.  Even if YOU think they (or yourself) are not that way, or that was not what you 'really meant' by that 'protest' what do you think all those 'other T-shirt wearing idiots are there for?? 

[Horsefly]

39 minutes ago, ResidentTroll said:

Proven again...Looks like 'denial' is not just a river in Egypt....

Never saw a BLM T-shirt at a lynching ...er ...'Statue Teardown'???

YOU... must absolutely and wholeheartedly agree with my proposal to have BLM tear down all those MLK statues while they are achieving their/your stated:

"We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities."

 

 

 I do not equate the support of removing statues as the same as suppressing individual rights nor creating a movement that marginalizes an entire race of people.  

Honestly, I could not care if there are public memorials or not, it does not prevent me from learning nor celebrating history.  Most of the statues are being moved to museums where they can still be admired and memorialized. 

you were right the first time, BLM has not lynched anyone, the KKK has a rich history of that and was created for the sole purpose to unequally separate the races.

 

 

[Horsefly]

16 minutes ago, ResidentTroll said:

bottom line is BLM carries the "torch of racism" as their weapon of choice, You can support it or not...

 

It has by far been their 'best' recruiting tool.  Even if YOU think they (or yourself) are not that way, or that was not what you 'really meant' by that 'protest' what do you think all those 'other T-shirt wearing idiots are there for?? 

Repeating they are racist doesn't make it true.  you think that defines a movement, who is wearing a tshirt?  I need to not look any further than the purpose for their existence and for protesting.  The entire platform is based on justice and fairness, not supremacy . (It's in their official belief statement)