US Army lowers the bar

[HSFBfan]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/14/army-lifts-ban-on-cutters-mentally-ill-and-drug-abusers-to-meet-recruiting-goals.html

[TheRealCAJ]

#MAGA

[HSFBfan]

2 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said:

#MAGA

This is just a bad decision. Idk if Trump or Mattis made this decision but their numbers of men in the US Army must be down 

[ResidentTroll]

9 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said:

#MAGA

"In order to hit last year’s goal of 69,000 recruits, the Army also accepted men and women who did poorly on aptitude tests, increased the number of waivers for pot use and offered hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses."

This obviously did not all occur in the last couple months....8 years of patriotic decay???

I Wonder if.... with all this MAGA stuff being thrown around....will this increased 'patriotism' lead to 'easier recruiting efforts' eventually preventing detrimental CRAP like this from occurring in the future? 

 

[HSFBfan]

Just now, ResidentTroll said:

"In order to hit last year’s goal of 69,000 recruits, the Army also accepted men and women who did poorly on aptitude tests, increased the number of waivers for pot use and offered hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses."

This obviously did not all occur in the last couple months....8 years of patriotic decay???

IWonder if.... with all this MAGA stuff being thrown around....will this increased 'patriotism' lead to 'easier recruiting efforts' eventually preventing detrimental CRAP like this from occurring in the future? 

I

So does this prove that nobody wanted to serve under Obama

[Horsefly]

The Army has lowered standards in the past, that predates Obama, to meet recruiting goals 

but by all means HSFBfan, sign up and help MAGA.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15197832/ns/us_news-military/t/army-tops-recruit-goal-lowering-standards/#.WgsEy9FMGhA

[TheRealCAJ]

1 hour ago, HSFBfan said:

This is just a bad decision. Idk if Trump or Mattis made this decision but their numbers of men in the US Army must be down 

There are clearly explanations for poor decisions....

What is wrong with you, man?

[thc6795]

1 minute ago, TheRealCAJ said:

There are clearly explanations for poor decisions....

What is wrong with you, man?

your bitch ass still couldn't get in. Even with today's lower standards.

[HSFBfan]

Just now, TheRealCAJ said:

There are clearly explanations for poor decisions....

What is wrong with you, man?

nada but if i was in the service and the guy next to me has a history of cutting himself i would have a problem with that

[noonereal]

Just now, thc6795 said:

your bitch ass still couldn't get in. Even with today's lower standards.

lol 

[noonereal]

Just now, HSFBfan said:

nada but if i was in the service and the guy next to me has a history of cutting himself i would have a problem with that

why?

please explain, thanks

[HSFBfan]

1 minute ago, noonereal said:

why?

please explain, thanks

i think its pretty self explanatory lol dont you think

[TheRealCAJ]

13 minutes ago, thc6795 said:

your bitch ass still couldn't get in. Even with today's lower standards.

If your ignorant backwood's ass got in Pee-wee Herman could get in......believe it.

#MAGA

and, just die already, old man!

 

[noonereal]

8 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

i think its pretty self explanatory lol dont you think

i do think, i do not believe you do much of it before you post

and no, I do not think your statement is self explanatory unless you mean that it was self explanatory about yourself... how you post without insight

I am straight up honest, why do you feel one who chooses self-harm as an emotion regulation strategy to be unfit to serve beside? 

 

 

[DevilDog]

36 minutes ago, Horsefly said:

The Army has lowered standards in the past, that predates Obama, to meet recruiting goals 

but by all means HSFBfan, sign up and help MAGA.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/15197832/ns/us_news-military/t/army-tops-recruit-goal-lowering-standards/#.WgsEy9FMGhA

Exactly to be fair they have always had the lowest standards of the Military and as a whole they have the most problems.   Marines fight on the ground right besides them.  Yet no Marine was ever taken as an EPW in either Iraq or Afghanistan several soldiers have including walking off their posts.  And they are usually the branch that are convicted of egregious acts.  Like Abu Ghraib and another Soldier shooting his won people in Desert Storm. Remember My Lai massacre with them.  I respect all branches but the Army seems to be the most undisciplined of all.  They have special units like Airborne, Ranger, SF etc that are elite and highly disciplined.  But if you look at a Soldier and Marine as a whole there is a world of difference in discipline and it starts in Boot Camp with us.    Not surprised by this at all.  Bigger Service bigger problems.  They sell everything except the army, Bonuses etc.  The Corps sells the Corps you either want the Title or Not.  Here is an example of the two services.

Even the Marine Recruits will look sharper and crisper in their Cammies.  And well as a Former DI myself there is no comparison between Army Drill Sergeants and the intensity and Stress we sling as Marine Drill Instructors.   This will result in a Force that will have some issues going forward.  Hell what other branch has members shooting up fellow Service members on Base?  The Army SMDH on this decision.  Even their Recruits look Nasty and their DS wearing damn shades in Uniform.  We stress the F$$K out of our recruits and they don't. lowering standards for people that protect the nation is not good.

 

[HSFBfan]

Just now, noonereal said:

i do think, i do not believe you do much of it before you post

and no, I do not think your statement is self explanatory unless you mean that it was self explanatory... how you post without insight

I am straight up honest, why do you feel one who chooses self-harm as an emotion regulation strategy to be unfit to serve beside? 

 

 

Lets start off with since he is supposed to have my back in life or death situations I have to be concerned that this person is gonna go off the deep end and try to commit suicide. Since we have a veteran suicide problem in this country and that is with people that we see fit to serve if we now have people unfit to serve because of psychological issues before they see any sort of combat what do you think is gonna happen to them mentally when they get into a combat zone and start seeing their comrades in arms getting killed next to them. if you cant trust the guy next to you to cover your ass who can you trust and rely on 

[thc6795]

5 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

Exactly to be fair they have always had the lowest standards of the Military and as a whole they have the most problems.   Marines fight on the ground right besides them.  Yet no Marine was ever taken as an EPW in either Iraq or Afghanistan several soldiers have including walking off their posts.  And they are usually the branch that are convicted of egregious acts.  Like Abu Ghraib.  I respect all branches but the Army seems to be the most undisciplined of all.  They have special units like Airborne, Ranger, SF etc that are elite and highly disciplined.  But if you look at a Soldier and Marine as a whole there is a world of difference in discipline and it starts in Boot Camp with us.    Not surprised by this at all.  Bigger Service bigger problems.  They sell everything except the army, Bonuses etc.  The Corps sells the Corps you either want the Title or Not.  Here is an example of the two services.

Even the Marine Recruits will look sharper and crisper in their Cammies.  And well as a Former DI myself there is no comparison between their Drill Sergeants and the intensity and Stress we sling as DI's.   This will result in a Force that will have some issues going forward.  Hell what other branch has members shooting up fellow Service members on Base?  The Army SMDH on this decision.  Even their Recruits look Nasty and their DS wearing damn shades in Uniform. 

 

There is a reason no matter what your rank was or who you are, if you are in another branch of service and want to be a Marine you have to go through boot camp. No other service requires this.  

[DevilDog]

6 minutes ago, thc6795 said:

There is a reason no matter what your rank was or who you are, if you are in another branch of service and want to be a Marine you have to go through boot camp. No other service requires this.  

Exactly doesn't mean every branch doesn't have a vital role.  But ask any Marine that have served with  them or along  side them.  Big difference in discipline.  You always get this from them. I was gonna join the Corps. You never hear a Marine say I was gonna join the Army .   Bergdahl is all that needs to be said. 

For instance Marine vs. Army age requirements:   They take old ass Men. That's why you will see a 38 Yr old freaking E-3 in the Army and 40 year old E-4's.  WTF. 

USMC 17-29    USA 17-35

 

[noonereal]

@HSFBfan 

 

anyone can go off the deep end

there is no test for this

" it can seem like self-harm and suicide are directly related. It's normal to think that cutting one's wrist, in the case of self-harm, may be a suicidal gesture; indicating that the person wishes to cut their wrist to die.

However, this is typically not the case. In fact, most people who practice self-injury don't intend to kill themselves" 

It's like the dopes that think a guy wearing a skirt is a pedophile.

 

 

[HSFBfan]

2 minutes ago, noonereal said:

@HSFBfan 

 

anyone can go off the deep end

there is no test for this

" it can seem like self-harm and suicide are directly related. It's normal to think that cutting one's wrist, in the case of self-harm, may be a suicidal gesture; indicating that the person wishes to cut their wrist to die.

However, this is typically not the case. In fact, most people who practice self-injury don't intend to kill themselves" 

It's like the dopes that think a guy wearing a skirt is a pedophile.

 

 

Do you really want the guy next to you trying to cut himself to release his tension or whatever it is hes trying to accomplish while your life is on the line??

[HSFBfan]

3 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

Exactly doesn't mean every branch doesn't have a vital role.  But ask any Marine that have served with  them or along  side them.  Big difference in discipline.  You always get this from them. I was gonna join the Corps. You never hear a Marine say I was gonna join the Army .   Bergdahl is all that needs to be said. 

My cousin is active marines for the past 20 years. He has never said I was gonna join or I was thinking of joining another branch. He loves the Marines. 

[DevilDog]

2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

My cousin is active marines for the past 20 years. He has never said I was gonna join or I was thinking of joining another branch. He loves the Marines. 

Exactly we have the youngest personnel because we are the hardest physically.  Look at this Chart only the Coast Guard compares with us in accepting people by age.  You will never see a freaking 40 year old Cpl in the Corps. There are thousands of old ass E-4's in the Army.

https://todaysmilitary.com/joining/entrance-requirements#age-requirements

[Horsefly]

14 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

Exactly to be fair they have always had the lowest standards of the Military and as a whole they have the most problems.   Marines fight on the ground right besides them.  Yet no Marine was ever taken as an EPW in either Iraq or Afghanistan several soldiers have including walking off their posts.  And they are usually the branch that are convicted of egregious acts.  Like Abu Ghraib and another Soldier shooting his won people in Desert Storm. Remember My Lai massacre with them.  I respect all branches but the Army seems to be the most undisciplined of all.  They have special units like Airborne, Ranger, SF etc that are elite and highly disciplined.  But if you look at a Soldier and Marine as a whole there is a world of difference in discipline and it starts in Boot Camp with us.    Not surprised by this at all.  Bigger Service bigger problems.  They sell everything except the army, Bonuses etc.  The Corps sells the Corps you either want the Title or Not.  Here is an example of the two services.

Even the Marine Recruits will look sharper and crisper in their Cammies.  And well as a Former DI myself there is no comparison between Army Drill Sergeants and the intensity and Stress we sling as Marine Drill Instructors.   This will result in a Force that will have some issues going forward.  Hell what other branch has members shooting up fellow Service members on Base?  The Army SMDH on this decision.  Even their Recruits look Nasty and their DS wearing damn shades in Uniform.  We stress the F$$K out of our recruits and they don't. lowering standards for people that protect the nation is not good.

 

Yes, they have had problems with discipline and it's well documented.  If the quality of the recruit is weak, then the results can't be much better. 

[HSFBfan]

Just now, DevilDog said:

Exactly we have the youngest personnel because we are the hardest physically.  Look at this Chart only the Coast Guard compares with us in accepting people by age.

https://todaysmilitary.com/joining/entrance-requirements#age-requirements

Yep. When i was in the Coast Guard my DI was a Marine. Toughest SOB ever. Always respected you but man oh man you knew everyday was gonna be hell under him

[noonereal]

Just now, HSFBfan said:

Do you really want the guy next to you trying to cut himself to release his tension or whatever it is hes trying to accomplish while your life is on the line??

As I try to base my decision making on objective fact rather than emotion it would not bother me in the least. 

Just what trait is it that you think a self-harm has that would make them less loyal to their bothers in uniform?