concha Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Interesting stuff. Click on the below link. Look where Dems and Republicans were on the scale back in '94. Now, click back to 2017. It looks like a certain group has lurched in a particular political direction. In a manner that might be described as "extreme", though that is what they accuse their opposition of (very Goebbels-esque to accuse the other side of that which you do). Thoughts? http://www.people-press.org/interactives/political-polarization-1994-2017/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ResidentTroll Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, concha said: Thoughts? Anyone who is "Consistantly" liberal OR conservative, without waiver, is most likely...... ...a moron... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, ResidentTroll said: Anyone who is "Consistantly" liberal OR conservative, without waiver, is most likely...... ...a moron... so you dont vote one party all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, ResidentTroll said: Anyone who is "Consistantly" liberal OR conservative, without waiver, is most likely...... ...a moron... Or holds strongly held convictions and values instead of being an easily led-by-the-nose sheeple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ResidentTroll Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, HSFBfan said: so you dont vote one party all the time? .....HELL no! Even the most Die-Hard party line tow-er needs to realize that it does the 'party' no good to 'support deliquency' by supporting a bad candidate.... Silly concept, I know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, ResidentTroll said: .....HELL no! Even the most Die-Hard party line tow-er needs to realize that it does the 'party' no good to 'support deliquency' by supporting a bad candidate.... Silly concept, I know. I always vote republican since i agree with them 99.9% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, ResidentTroll said: .....HELL no! Even the most Die-Hard party line tow-er needs to realize that it does the 'party' no good to 'support deliquency' by supporting a bad candidate.... Silly concept, I know. Bad candidate vs bad policies/ideology Pick your poison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalDonaldTrump Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: I always vote republican since i agree with them 99.9% You believe they should put people in prison for pot possession? Do you believe $10 an hour is something u can live off of ? Them die hards republicans dooo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, LiberalDonaldTrump said: You believe they should put people in prison for pot possession? Do you believe $10 an hour is something u can live off of ? Them die hards republicans dooo Yes/No....but i understand $15 dollars an hour isnt gonna work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ResidentTroll Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, concha said: Or holds strongly held convictions and values instead of being an easily led-by-the-nose sheeple. Even you Concha have views that 'some' would consider 'liberal' .... My comment was not about convictions...more about having 'extreme' views that you are 'convinced' are correct (while unable to see other sides)....'always on one side' is a general indicator that you are never seeing the other sides point of view... Being led by the nose is a different point....which 'personality type' is really being....." led-by-the-nose sheeple" ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, LiberalDonaldTrump said: You believe they should put people in prison for pot possession? Do you believe $10 an hour is something u can live off of ? Them die hards republicans dooo You obviously have not put much thought into the minimum wage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ResidentTroll Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, concha said: Bad candidate vs bad policies/ideology Pick your poison Party does NOT always = policies/ideology As example Trump could be considered VERY 'Liberal' in MANY aspects.... I pick my poison as GOOD 'policies/ideology'........if your looking at 'bad' candidate then it sounds like you're already too caught up in 'party politics'.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Yes/No....but i understand $15 dollars an hour isnt gonna work Wages were never supposed to be guaranteed to be "living wages". They are basically entry level wages typically earned by teenagers. Only 2.7% of hourly workers make minimum or less. They are generally young and not the household's primary earner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, concha said: Wages were never supposed to be guaranteed to be "living wages". They are basically entry level wages typically earned by teenagers. Only 2.7% of hourly workers make minimum or less. They are generally young and not the household's primary earner. White Males wages have not increased since 1973 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, concha said: Wages were never supposed to be guaranteed to be "living wages". They are basically entry level wages typically earned by teenagers. Only 2.7% of hourly workers make minimum or less. They are generally young and not the household's primary earner. Wasnt 15 an hour a failure in Seattle when they tried it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, ResidentTroll said: Party does NOT always = policies/ideology As example Trump could be considered VERY 'Liberal' in MANY aspects.... I pick my poison as GOOD 'policies/ideology'........if your looking at 'bad' candidate then it sounds like you're already too caught up in 'party politics'.... I go with the candidate available who most most closely reflects or espouses the policies I believe in. That has never been the Democrat so far as I know, especially now given the huge "lurch" to the left they have taken as reflected by the Pew data I linked to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalDonaldTrump Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 They don't want to make 15 minimum wage because the worlds over populated and they want quality control .. so what comes with 10 minimum wage? Ghettos , crimes, murders listen if rent or mortgage is over 1000 a month , car payment, Verizon bill, tv, food,, dog food , cat food ,, car insurance,,, I'll keep listing if u want... where the fuck do they want me to come up with that on a monthly basis while these prick politicians and wall streeters .. commit fraud and insider trading every second of every day ... trillions of dollars going to their different off shore bank accounts..... but they selfish as fuck and believe we should be able to live off this chicken scratch... while they do some illegal shit so they can purchase their 14th house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ResidentTroll Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, concha said: I go with the candidate available who most most closely reflects or espouses the policies I believe in. That has never been the Democrat so far as I know... ""most closely reflects or espouses the policies I believe in."" BINGO has been called....we have a winner! In my voting history probably 80-90% republican 10-20% Independent or other.... Look at your chart tho....In 1994 ANY politician SHOULD be catering to the 'Purple' portion (if they want the largest 'pool' of voters). As you say, flip back to Today......Who do you think they should they cater to now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, ResidentTroll said: ""most closely reflects or espouses the policies I believe in."" BINGO has been called....we have a winner! In my voting history probably 80-90% republican 10-20% Independent or other.... Look at your chart tho....In 1994 ANY politician SHOULD be catering to the 'Purple' portion (if they want the largest 'pool' of voters). As you say, flip back to Today......Who do you think they should they cater to now? Struggling to see what you think is so entertaining. The story here is that in 1994, the typical Dem and typical Pub were not far apart and were both pretty close to the middle. Fast forward to 2017. A slight move right for the average Republican. The average Dem? Back flips and somersaults left versus 23 years ago. The average Dem is now where the loony fringe Dem was when Slick Willie was in his first term in office. PS: You seem to appreciate pandering vs. policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thc6795 Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 54 minutes ago, LiberalDonaldTrump said: You believe they should put people in prison for pot possession? Do you believe $10 an hour is something u can live off of ? Them die hards republicans dooo Clinton signed into law the three strikes rule. This law has put more pot heads in jail more then any other law combined. Clinton is a dem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, thc6795 said: Clinton signed into law the three strikes rule. This law has put more pot heads in jail more then any other law combined. Clinton is a dem. It is also perhaps the prime driver in the collapse of the inner city family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ResidentTroll Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Just now, concha said: Struggling to see what you think is so entertaining. PS: You seem to appreciate pandering vs. policy What's entertaining is you trying to pick a debate where none exists...maybe you took offense to something stated? I got your whole 'they politically shifted' more than we did argument.....charts and all ...(time to chuck some spears LOL) My 'thoughts' are essentially that your chart is a BETTER representation of each population's preferences shift to the more extreme on BOTH sides... Just because you are having a hard time with your own insults today, and displayed your own position to be the more 'sheeple' than those you accuse (hint: your newest 'pandering' follows the same road), does not mean that you can just project what others appreciate. No, I do not have to vote 'party line' when the party is 'wrong'.....sorry you don't feel the same way (since you like 'projection' so much) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 34 minutes ago, LiberalDonaldTrump said: They don't want to make 15 minimum wage because the worlds over populated and they want quality control .. so what comes with 10 minimum wage? Ghettos , crimes, murders listen if rent or mortgage is over 1000 a month , car payment, Verizon bill, tv, food,, dog food , cat food ,, car insurance,,, I'll keep listing if u want... where the fuck do they want me to come up with that on a monthly basis while these prick politicians and wall streeters .. commit fraud and insider trading every second of every day ... trillions of dollars going to their different off shore bank accounts..... but they selfish as fuck and believe we should be able to live off this chicken scratch... while they do some illegal shit so they can purchase their 14th house Be a responsible adult and get or do what's needed to land a higher than minimum job. Where you get the money is YOUR problem. Why the fuck should it me mine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, ResidentTroll said: What's entertaining is you trying to pick a debate where none exists...maybe you took offense to something stated? I got your whole 'they politically shifted' more than we did argument.....charts and all ...(time to chuck some spears LOL) My 'thoughts' are essentially that your chart is a BETTER representation of each population's preferences shift to the more extreme on BOTH sides... Just because you are having a hard time with your own insults today, and displayed your own position to be the more 'sheeple' than those you accuse (hint: your newest 'pandering' follows the same road), does not mean that you can just project what others appreciate. No, I do not have to vote 'party line' when the party is 'wrong'.....sorry you don't feel the same way (since you like 'projection' so much) What a splendid display of a complete inability to reason. The Republicans have shifted very little, but to you apparently all shifts are the same. And I'm failing to see where sticking to beliefs I have had for decades makes me a sheeple. I haven't been led anywhere. You, however, appear to be the very definition of sheeple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, ResidentTroll said: What's entertaining is you trying to pick a debate where none exists...maybe you took offense to something stated? I got your whole 'they politically shifted' more than we did argument.....charts and all ...(time to chuck some spears LOL) My 'thoughts' are essentially that your chart is a BETTER representation of each population's preferences shift to the more extreme on BOTH sides... Just because you are having a hard time with your own insults today, and displayed your own position to be the more 'sheeple' than those you accuse (hint: your newest 'pandering' follows the same road), does not mean that you can just project what others appreciate. No, I do not have to vote 'party line' when the party is 'wrong'.....sorry you don't feel the same way (since you like 'projection' so much) What a splendid display of a complete inability to reason. The Republicans have shifted very little (though liberals assert otherwise), but to you apparently all shifts are the same. And I'm failing to see where sticking to beliefs I have had for decades makes me a sheeple. I haven't been led anywhere. You, however, appear to be the very definition of sheeple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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