Adam Kurkjian Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Any of you out there? A couple questions. Just how good, exactly, is Muskegon? From what I’ve been able to see, they’re really impressive. Would like to hear some opinions on how they stack up with the rest of the country. Similar question about Kimberly, Wisconsin. All they do is win. They look impressive but how would they stack up with the other teams there. Very curious to see what people think of these teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Adam Kurkjian said: Any of you out there? A couple questions. Just how good, exactly, is Muskegon? From what I’ve been able to see, they’re really impressive. Would like to hear some opinions on how they stack up with the rest of the country. Similar question about Kimberly, Wisconsin. All they do is win. They look impressive but how would they stack up with the other teams there. Very curious to see what people think of these teams. The best athletes in their area play hockey. they would be a decent D-2 team in So Cal. Don 't let their record fool you. Think The devil with slower lighter guys and no QB. they haven't played a relevant team since Bo Shembechler coached there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mjd33 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 8 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said: The best athletes in their area play hockey. they would be a decent D-2 team in So Cal. Don 't let their record fool you. Think The devil with slower lighter guys and no QB. they haven't played a relevant team since Bo Shembechler coached there. I hope this is a troll job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: I hope this is a troll job. R we talking college or HS here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 10 hours ago, Adam Kurkjian said: Any of you out there? A couple questions. Just how good, exactly, is Muskegon? From what I’ve been able to see, they’re really impressive. Would like to hear some opinions on how they stack up with the rest of the country. Similar question about Kimberly, Wisconsin. All they do is win. They look impressive but how would they stack up with the other teams there. Very curious to see what people think of these teams. I watched King and Class Tech from Detroit a couple of games this season. Both squads have skill athletes for days and some solid line play. King's rb who was a Michigan commit was injured early in the year. I could have the teams mixed up but I would put both of the squads in the top 10 of Ohio from the early part of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kurkjian Posted November 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Right. I'm asking specifically about Muskegon and Kimberly, if anyone's seen them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 hours ago, HSFBfan said: R we talking college or HS here? I was referring to Sammy’s analysis of teams in Wisconsin and Michigan who I know Sammy hasn’t even seen play this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospeeder Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Muskegon has a decent team this year. I was higher on them earlier this season after watching via video of their game with Pioneer before their game with Stevenson. After the Stevenson game my opinion somewhat lowered even though they won by 3 TDs. Kimberly is of interest because they have the nations longest winning streak and seem to have that DLS type mystique within Wisconsin. They would probably get more respect if they would step OOS and play comparable teams from IL, Indiana or Ohio. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Kimberly’s state final game is for 70 in a row. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, GardenStateBaller said: Really? Smdh Well we never talk Wisconsin HS football on here ever and the only team that is really ever brought up in Michigan is Cass Tech 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kurkjian Posted November 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 45 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: @Adam Kurkjian is a HSFB guru. You should know this by now. College posters need not apply here. No harm, no foul. Huge college guy as well and @HSFBfan have had some good CFB discussions on private message. Just wish we had some more Michigan and Wisconsin guys on here to get some perspective on those two programs. They seem pretty stout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, Adam Kurkjian said: No harm, no foul. Huge college guy as well and @HSFBfan have had some good CFB discussions on private message. Just wish we had some more Michigan and Wisconsin guys on here to get some perspective on those two programs. They seem pretty stout. They might be but who have they played on a national scale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kurkjian Posted November 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, HSFBfan said: They might be but who have they played on a national scale Not much, but that's why I wanted to get opinions from people that have actually seen them play. Not every good team out there plays a great OOS schedule. You can't just assume Kimberly or Muskegon aren't as good as one of the top Ohio teams simply because they're from Michigan or Wisconsin. That's brand recognition evaluation at its laziest. If we are in the position of trying to figure out who the best teams are, then we have to go beyond OOS daisy chains, because the sample size is too small to account for the full scope. Therefore, the "eye test," aka, posts from nptb and gospeeder, bring more value to the exercise than simply looking up scores on calpreps, which is all well and good, but not a be-all, end-all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 Just now, Adam Kurkjian said: Not much, but that's why I wanted to get opinions from people that have actually seen them play. Not every good team out there plays a great OOS schedule. You can't just assume Kimberly or Muskegon aren't as good as one of the top Ohio teams simply because they're from Michigan or Wisconsin. That's brand recognition evaluation at its laziest. If we are in the position of trying to figure out who the best teams are, then we have to go beyond OOS daisy chains, because the sample size is too small to account for the full scope. Therefore, the "eye test," aka, posts from nptb and gospeeder, bring more value to the exercise than simply looking up scores on calpreps, which is all well and good, but not a be-all, end-all. But isnt this a national board where we talk about teams in the top 100 in the country? I understand what your trying to do. But if these teams were that legit wouldnt we see teams from Ohio calling them to play instead of Ohio flying across the country to play teams? Or wouldnt we see more Wisconsin vs Michigan matchups? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 This is from 2016 but its the only recent Kimberly football I could find on youtube. its a 2 hour game film Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kurkjian Posted November 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, HSFBfan said: But isnt this a national board where we talk about teams in the top 100 in the country? I understand what your trying to do. But if these teams were that legit wouldnt we see teams from Ohio calling them to play instead of Ohio flying across the country to play teams? Or wouldnt we see more Wisconsin vs Michigan matchups? Yes, that's the point of this thread (Muskegon is 27th on calpreps, by the way). I'm just looking for opinions on the subject from people who have actually seen the teams this year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, HSFBfan said: But isnt this a national board where we talk about teams in the top 100 in the country? I understand what your trying to do. But if these teams were that legit wouldnt we see teams from Ohio calling them to play instead of Ohio flying across the country to play teams? Or wouldnt we see more Wisconsin vs Michigan matchups? This is a high school board, talking a lot about the top 100, but certainly not excluding top programs from other states. If it were just the top 100 we were discussing, just think how many NJ threads and posters would be muted. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 hours ago, maxchoboian said: This is a high school board, talking a lot about the top 100, but certainly not excluding top programs from other states. If it were just the top 100 we were discussing, just think how many NJ threads and posters would be muted. Oops! @HSFBfan forgot how far they had fallen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Oops! @HSFBfan forgot how far they had fallen. BC is still top 100. But no we talk top 100 across the country. Even though the board is quite boring now that NJ is having a down year. Hopefully we get some great games across the country we can all get excited for 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 I just don't see a problem talking about any and all high school football. This board isn't called the PrepGridiron Top 100 dot com. I know we all do primarily discuss the top 100 or so teams, and their opponents (most especially if they are ranked very lowly) So automatically we are discussing teams outside of the top 100 just by picking and pointing out the weak opponents that some play, as a favorite pass time of quite a few posters. I think any and all high school football talk should be welcome, especially considering the alternatives that we see getting action on the OT board. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Kurkjian Posted November 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 25 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: I just don't see a problem talking about any and all high school football. This board isn't called the PrepGridiron Top 100 dot com. I know we all do primarily discuss the top 100 or so teams, and their opponents (most especially if they are ranked very lowly) So automatically we are discussing teams outside of the top 100 just by picking and pointing out the weak opponents that some play, as a favorite pass time of quite a few posters. I think any and all high school football talk should be welcome, especially considering the alternatives that we see getting action on the OT board. That, and, if we talk about the same five states in every thread you end up rehashing the same arguments over and over for YEARS and it's boring as hell. You want to start another Georgia vs. California thread, have at it. I'll guarantee you it won't go any different than any of the other 3,000. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 12 minutes ago, Adam Kurkjian said: That, and, if we talk about the same five states in every thread you end up rehashing the same arguments over and over for YEARS and it's boring as hell. You want to start another Georgia vs. California thread, have at it. I'll guarantee you it won't go any different than any of the other 3,000. I agree completely. I wish we could open the doors for all fifty states guys to come in and post with us. Let's really chop it up and show them all why we think our teams are better than their trash! That and/or they open our eyes to the fact that pollsters have had us snowed for years and that there are great teams in every state. I'd love to have a plethora of boards connected to this one, kind of like the OT board, but like regional or state boards where the conversations can grow organically and then be featured up here if we think they are going places etc. Anything to keep new blood pumping through so we don't all fizzle out or start hating one another. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 45 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: I just don't see a problem talking about any and all high school football. This board isn't called the PrepGridiron Top 100 dot com. I know we all do primarily discuss the top 100 or so teams, and their opponents (most especially if they are ranked very lowly) So automatically we are discussing teams outside of the top 100 just by picking and pointing out the weak opponents that some play, as a favorite pass time of quite a few posters. Cough "Sammy" I think any and all high school football talk should be welcome, especially considering the alternatives that we see getting action on the OT board. FIFY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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