8 polls compilation - dntn31 data + I added our forum poll, PrepForce & Massey

[golfaddict1]

Rank		MaxPreps	CalPreps	USA Today	PrepNation	HSFBA	PrepGridiron	PrepForce	Massey	Points	Polls
1	Mater Dei	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	200	8
2	IMG Academy	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	192	8
3	Allen	4	14	3	3	3	3	4	5	169	8
4	American Heritage P	3	6	4	4	6	5	3	9	168	8
5	Ben Davis	5	11	7	8	7	6	7	6	151	8
5	Bingham	6	5	8	5	11	9	10	3	151	8
7	St. Frances Academy	10	16	11	14	9	4	5	11	128	8
8	St. John Bosco	8	3	14	22	16	7	8	4	126	8
9	Bishop Gorman	14	13	10	11	10	10	13	7	120	8
10	Miami Northwestern	19	10	-	10	8	8	6	18	103	7
11	Pine Richland	11	18	12	9	12	13	9	-	98	7
12	Trinity, KY	9	-	9	6	4	15	17	-	96	6
13	South Pointe	7	-	5	7	5	-	14	-	92	5
14	Corona Centennial	13	12	-	-	-	11	11	19	64	5
15	St. John's College	15	-	16	24	18	14	16	22	57	7
15	St. Louis	17	4	-	13	-	-	-	13	57	4
17	DLS	25	17	15	23	17	19	15	23	54	8
18	Lake Travis	12	-	-	12	14	21	-	24	47	5
19	Pickerington Central	21	25	-	17	-	16	23	8	46	6
20	Folsom	20	7	-	-	-	24	25	12	42	5
21	Venice	23	-	19	19	19	-	20	16	40	6
22	Brentwood Academy	-	-	6	-	13	-	21	-	38	3
23	Miami Central	-	-	-	-	20	12	12	-	34	3
24	Midway	-	23	-	-	-	17	-	10	28	3
24	Trotwood Madison	-	20	-	16	25	22	19	-	28	5
26	Cy-Fair	-	-	-	15	-	-	-	15	22	2
27	North Gwinnett	24	24	23	20	-	18	-	-	21	5
27	Chandler	17	-	22	-	-	20	24	-	21	4
27	Wake Forest	-	-	13	18	-	-	-	-	21	2
30	Archbishop Hoban	-	9	-	-	-	23	-	-	20	2
30	Bergen Catholic	22	21	-	-	15	-	-	-	20	3
32	North Little Rock	-	8	-	25	-	-	-	-	19	2
33	Mission Viejo	-	19	-	-	-	-	-	17	16	2
34	Owasso	-	-	21	-	-	-	18	-	13	2
35	Lincoln-Way East	-	-	20	-	-	-	-	20	12	2
35	Manvel	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	14	12	1
37	Greenwood	-	15	-	-	-	-	-	-	11	1
38	Rome	-	22	-	21	-	25	-	-	10	3
39	Pearl	-	-	17	-	-	-	-	-	9	1
40	Martinsburg	-	-	18	-	-	-	-	-	8	1
41	Muskegon	-	-	24	-	-	-	-	21	7	2
41	Katy	19	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	7	1
43	Cathedral Prep	-	-	-	-	24	-	22	-	6	2
44	Dutch Fork	-	-	-	-	21	-	-	-	5	1
45	St. Joseph Prep	-	-	-	-	22	-	-	-	4	1
46	Archbishop Wood	-	-	-	-	23	-	-	-	3	1
47	West Point	-	-	25	-	-	-	-	-	1	1
47	Bishop Miege	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	25	1	1

[HSFBfan]

18 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Bingham vs SFA game looks even better now!!!

BNU teams played #1 MD #7SFA #45 SJP #46AW

 

[ECHS05]

Golf..... Did you give the teams +5 for making each ranking? Someone like Cy-Fair, who made 2 polls, shouldnt be ranked higher than North Gwinnett, who made 5.

Im going to guess you didnt looking at it... But its the better way...otherwise,  A team can be ranked 10th in 1 poll and not ranked in the rest... While another team is ranked 24th in all 8 .. and the team ranked 10th only ranked in 1/8 polls will be ranked higher in this version... Which IMO isnt right.

[golfaddict1]

39 minutes ago, ECHS05 said:

Golf..... Did you give the teams +5 for making each ranking? Someone like Cy-Fair, who made 2 polls, shouldnt be ranked higher than North Gwinnett, who made 5.

Im going to guess you didnt looking at it... But its the better way...otherwise,  A team can be ranked 10th in 1 poll and not ranked in the rest... While another team is ranked 24th in all 8 .. and the team ranked 10th only ranked in 1/8 polls will be ranked higher in this version... Which IMO isnt right.

I piggybacked dtn31's data reflecting 25 pts for 1st,  24 pts 2nd etc.   Was easier adding 3 to 5 polls already completed.  

With that said, I do agree with you and I brought this up the other day about Rome reaching the forum 25 and wondering if it was a solo GSB project or if at least 2 were on board (not sure still, Prep didn't reply).  I am against a one voter ranking included in the 25 altogether.   With that same thought in mind, I would state that 1 poll ranked should never trump a school with 2 or more pollsters ranking.    For starters and I would not have Manvel or Greenwood ahead of Rome or Muskegon or Cathedral Prep.   

Cy-Fair with 2 vs. N. Gwinnett with 5.  That's basically 25% vs. almost 2/3 (63%).  I think you are right here.   Not sure where to cap it though.   Here we have DLS with all 8 votes and they are 17th, how far do they rise, what's the cap on inclusion differential?  

Minimum 1 will always be with the 1's.   Where does 2 get bumped?  4 minimum?     Does a team with 3 polls out of 8 take it's spot accordingly on points?   Or does 4 pollsters make the minimum grade and ride the points from there?   Thoughts?    I don't think 5 vs 8 matters, 3 vs 8 may not matter.   Like it or not, few schools will touch a 25 losing the way DLS did twice this year no matter who to and they landed in all 8.  Name brand recognition should not trump a Rodney Dangerfield who did it's thing.   Some schools will always get the benefit of the doubt.   

[HawgGoneIt]

I like the work. It's cool and much appreciated, just like dntn's is. 

Every look is good imo. The more the merrier on the comp polls. It helps give a truer picture of the overall thing by leveling or weeding out the one real headscratcher or two in different polls.

[Sammyswordsman]

4 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said:

To tell with @Sammyswordsman 's Tiers. THIS CHART best exemplifies the REAL tiers without bias!!!!......

Tier 1 (190+ points) MD, IMG

Tier 2 (120+ points) Allen, AHP, BD, Bing, SFA, SJB, BG

Tier 3 (90+ points) MNW, PR, Trin*, SP

Tier 4 (40+ points) Cen10, SJC, St. Louis, DLS, LT, Pick, Fol, Venice

Tier 5 (20+ points) BA, MC, Mid, TM, Cy, NG, Chand, WF, AH, BC

#Romestillgetsscrewed

 

Good break down and you can definitely establish Tiers in your groups.  Well Done. @American Male needs to take a look at this so he can revise his thesis.

 

Looks like they line up pretty well with the #Tiers.  A couple outliers here and there, but overall they tell the same story as the Tiers one man band

[American Male]

8 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Good break down and you can definitely establish Tiers in your groups.  Well Done. @American Male needs to take a look at this so he can revise his thesis.

 

Looks like they line up pretty well with the #Tiers.  A couple outliers here and there, but overall they tell the same story as the Tiers one man band

Cal-Preps and Massy (CP Twin), are a WASTE and are NOT even Considered or Consulted by Logical People!!!

[Pops]

On 12/21/2017 at 12:16 PM, golfaddict1 said:

Like it or not, few schools will touch a 25 losing the way DLS did twice this year no matter who to and they landed in all 8.  Name brand recognition should not trump a Rodney Dangerfield who did it's thing.   Some schools will always get the benefit of the doubt.   

You have somehow concluded that DLS is getting name brand treatment and I wonder why

theyre ranked 17th and both their losses were to top ten teams

theyre ranked behind #15, who they beat and also has two losses 

they’re also ranked behind SJB who has 3 losses and 2 comparable common opponent performances (both beat SJC by 4, both lost badly to MD)

theyre ranked behind 2-loss CC who lost by 3-4 TDs to only 2 good teams they faced (comparable to DLS’s losses) without a quality win nearly as good as SJC

thats not even addressing teams like south Pointe with questionable credentials to be so highly ranked 

I’m not pushing for DLS — I think they’ve been fairly ranked all year more or less.  I just don’t think they’re the poster child for name brand recognition at least this year 

[ECHS05]

46 minutes ago, Pops said:

You have somehow concluded that DLS is getting name brand treatment and I wonder why

theyre ranked 17th and both their losses were to top ten teams

theyre ranked behind #15, who they beat and also has two losses 

they’re also ranked behind SJB who has 3 losses and 2 comparable common opponent performances (both beat SJC by 4, both lost badly to MD)

theyre ranked behind 2-loss CC who lost by 3-4 TDs to only 2 good teams they faced (comparable to DLS’s losses) without a quality win nearly as good as SJC

thats not even addressing teams like south Pointe with questionable credentials to be so highly ranked 

I’m not pushing for DLS — I think they’ve been fairly ranked all year more or less.  I just don’t think they’re the poster child for name brand recognition at least this year 

Cen10 beat Pitt. 63-21 while DLS won 24-7(when looking at common opps.) And in other threads youll argue Cen10 wouldve beat IMG if they didnt lose their QB... Now you use that loss against them... Make up your mind... Using both sides of an argument proves all you care about is whichever point makes CA or DLS look the best.

SJB beat St. John's AT St. John's. SJC is probably ova-rated too.

SJB has a close loss to MD also. SJB vs MD #2 was actually close for a bit... MD made DLS look like they were standing still.

DLS was blown out twice... And its ONLY good win was SJC.

Say what you want about SP.. But they dont have 27 and 31 point losses on their resume.

[Omaha Vol]

58 minutes ago, Pops said:

You have somehow concluded that DLS is getting name brand treatment and I wonder why

theyre ranked 17th and both their losses were to top ten teams

theyre ranked behind #15, who they beat and also has two losses 

they’re also ranked behind SJB who has 3 losses and 2 comparable common opponent performances (both beat SJC by 4, both lost badly to MD)

theyre ranked behind 2-loss CC who lost by 3-4 TDs to only 2 good teams they faced (comparable to DLS’s losses) without a quality win nearly as good as SJC

thats not even addressing teams like south Pointe with questionable credentials to be so highly ranked 

I’m not pushing for DLS — I think they’ve been fairly ranked all year more or less.  I just don’t think they’re the poster child for name brand recognition at least this year 

Well said, Pops. Makes sense to  me. No need to justify DLS' ranking. 

[Omaha Vol]

15 minutes ago, ECHS05 said:

Say what you want about SP.. But they dont have 27 and 31 point losses on their resume.

They would if they had DLS' schedule. 

[ECHS05]

24 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said:

They would if they had DLS' schedule. 

Not necessarily true... Liberty played BG closer than 27... So SP damn sure can.

SP gives MD a closer game also.

De La Salle is not that good. I truly wish DLS would play a legit #35-45 OOS team to show DLS doesnt even belong there.

Problem is even when DLS does lose to those teams, moron pollsters still put them top 20 for no reason.

[Pops]

25 minutes ago, ECHS05 said:

Not necessarily true...

Agreed.... South Pointe wouldn't have kept closer to BG or MD and would have been beat handily by SJC

26 minutes ago, ECHS05 said:

I truly wish DLS would play a legit #35-45 OOS team to show DLS doesnt even belong there.

Oh the irony

DLS played the #8 and #15 teams OOS -- show me where any GA team had played 2 top 15s OOS in same year ever.... you can go back 100 years if you'd like

Why the stupid lament?  That's what the rest of the board feels about GA teams in general with much, much more credence.

You've actually put up a couple of good posts recently -- this was not one of them

[dntn31]

1 hour ago, ECHS05 said:

De La Salle is not that good. I truly wish DLS would play a legit #35-45 OOS team to show DLS doesnt even belong there.

So like SJC?

[golfaddict1]

3 hours ago, Omaha Vol said:

Well said, Pops. Makes sense to  me. No need to justify DLS' ranking. 

I voted for DLS in the 25 and it's not because I felt they were that deserving, but every time I saw other schools to add I just couldn't drop them.  That's likely why there are 7 schools in between DLS and the other schools added in all 8 polls.   Look at St. Louis for example, in the 4 polls they were ranked all 4 had them ranked higher than DLS.    Pollsters have that comfy warm feeling voting for DLS.    It's as if the sky will fall if we don't.       4  pollsters likely felt Hawaii,  eh.   Let's go with another.   With DLS there is no eh.  Brand name.  It's DLS.   The three polls with 23, 23 and 25 aren't exactly oozing with confidence and imo did a well it's DLS and added them.   You know it, I know it.  No need to justify it.    

[FolsomStateTitles]

Glad to see little ole public school Folsom on here!

#1 in NorCal baby!

[SJB]

2 hours ago, FolsomStateTitles said:

Glad to see little ole public school Folsom on here!

#1 in NorCal baby!

Is De La Salle considered NorCal? Oh wait...

[FolsomStateTitles]

18 minutes ago, SJB said:

Is De La Salle considered NorCal? Oh wait...

Cal preps has DLS rightfully behind Folsom. 

Taste it. 

[FolsomStateTitles]

1 minute ago, GardenStateBaller said:

Wacky CP also has Allen at #14 !! There's nothing wrong with being the second best public hsfb team annually in Cali. Embrace it. Life's short. 

Hard to take anything seriously from any poster from the state of Jersey. Honestly. Just wreaks of BO and soggy pizza. 

[Cracker]

So, when do the top 4 play?  

[Cracker]

On 12/20/2017 at 6:18 PM, golfaddict1 said:

Rank		MaxPreps	CalPreps	USA Today	PrepNation	HSFBA	PrepGridiron	PrepForce	Massey	Points	Polls
1	Mater Dei	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	200	8
2	IMG Academy	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	192	8
3	Allen	4	14	3	3	3	3	4	5	169	8
4	American Heritage P	3	6	4	4	6	5	3	9	168	8
5	Ben Davis	5	11	7	8	7	6	7	6	151	8
5	Bingham	6	5	8	5	11	9	10	3	151	8
7	St. Frances Academy	10	16	11	14	9	4	5	11	128	8
8	St. John Bosco	8	3	14	22	16	7	8	4	126	8
9	Bishop Gorman	14	13	10	11	10	10	13	7	120	8
10	Miami Northwestern	19	10	-	10	8	8	6	18	103	7
11	Pine Richland	11	18	12	9	12	13	9	-	98	7
12	Trinity, KY	9	-	9	6	4	15	17	-	96	6
13	South Pointe	7	-	5	7	5	-	14	-	92	5
14	Corona Centennial	13	12	-	-	-	11	11	19	64	5
15	St. John's College	15	-	16	24	18	14	16	22	57	7
15	St. Louis	17	4	-	13	-	-	-	13	57	4
17	DLS	25	17	15	23	17	19	15	23	54	8
18	Lake Travis	12	-	-	12	14	21	-	24	47	5
19	Pickerington Central	21	25	-	17	-	16	23	8	46	6
20	Folsom	20	7	-	-	-	24	25	12	42	5
21	Venice	23	-	19	19	19	-	20	16	40	6
22	Brentwood Academy	-	-	6	-	13	-	21	-	38	3
23	Miami Central	-	-	-	-	20	12	12	-	34	3
24	Midway	-	23	-	-	-	17	-	10	28	3
24	Trotwood Madison	-	20	-	16	25	22	19	-	28	5
26	Cy-Fair	-	-	-	15	-	-	-	15	22	2
27	North Gwinnett	24	24	23	20	-	18	-	-	21	5
27	Chandler	17	-	22	-	-	20	24	-	21	4
27	Wake Forest	-	-	13	18	-	-	-	-	21	2
30	Archbishop Hoban	-	9	-	-	-	23	-	-	20	2
30	Bergen Catholic	22	21	-	-	15	-	-	-	20	3
32	North Little Rock	-	8	-	25	-	-	-	-	19	2
33	Mission Viejo	-	19	-	-	-	-	-	17	16	2
34	Owasso	-	-	21	-	-	-	18	-	13	2
35	Lincoln-Way East	-	-	20	-	-	-	-	20	12	2
35	Manvel	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	14	12	1
37	Greenwood	-	15	-	-	-	-	-	-	11	1
38	Rome	-	22	-	21	-	25	-	-	10	3
39	Pearl	-	-	17	-	-	-	-	-	9	1
40	Martinsburg	-	-	18	-	-	-	-	-	8	1
41	Muskegon	-	-	24	-	-	-	-	21	7	2
41	Katy	19	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	7	1
43	Cathedral Prep	-	-	-	-	24	-	22	-	6	2
44	Dutch Fork	-	-	-	-	21	-	-	-	5	1
45	St. Joseph Prep	-	-	-	-	22	-	-	-	4	1
46	Archbishop Wood	-	-	-	-	23	-	-	-	3	1
47	West Point	-	-	25	-	-	-	-	-	1	1
47	Bishop Miege	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	25	1	1

What does it look like without calpreps?

[golfaddict1]

On 12/28/2017 at 9:50 PM, Cracker said:

What does it look like without calpreps?

With 8 polls I think 3 algorithm based is fair and Calpreps, HSFBA and Massey all rate differently, so it’s a solid foundation of opinions.  What surprised me in looking at state totals rated was Freeman (Calpreps) having only 4 NJ schools rated in the top 250.  When we talk CP,  certain leagues tend to be discussed as getting a boost for the competition factor.  Well that wasn’t the case this year in NJ.  

[Cracker]

5 hours ago, golfaddict1 said:

With 8 polls I think 3 algorithm based is fair and Calpreps, HSFBA and Massey all rate differently, so it’s a solid foundation of opinions.  What surprised me in looking at state totals rated was Freeman (Calpreps) having only 4 NJ schools rated in the top 250.  When we talk CP,  certain leagues tend to be discussed as getting a boost for the competition factor.  Well that wasn’t the case this year in NJ.  

Will this be updated again this year? 

[golfaddict1]

18 hours ago, Cracker said:

Will this be updated again this year? 

The Prepgridiron forum poll should be out early next week and I will modify this current 7 poll compilation to reflect the final poll entry.  The Top 25 record comes from the current comp top 25 listed in this spreadsheet (which will change likely once the last poll is reflected), while the top 100 and top 250 records come from Calpreps ratings.   What stands out right away is Brentwood Academy being ranked/rated by 4 of 7 polls, including Massey at #4 and USA Today at #7... yet Brentwood Academy did not face an opponent rated in the top 250.    Ben Davis, South Pointe and Trinity were 3 other schools in the top 25 who did not face a top 100 opponent. 

	MaxPreps	CalPreps	USAToday	PrepNation	HSFBA	Massey	PrepForce	PrepGridiron	# Polls	Top 25	Top 100	Top 250	Points	Rank
Mater Dei	1	1	1	1	1	1	1		7	5-0	10-0	13-0	175	1
IMG Academy	2	2	2	3	3	2	2		7	4-0	7-0	7-0	166	2
Allen	3	10	5	2	2	3	6		7	-	3-0	6-0	151	3
AH-Plantation	4	6	3	4	6	10	4		7	-	3-0	6-0	145	4
St Frances Academy	5	4	4	9	8	11	3		7	1-0	1-0	1-0	138	5
Ben Davis	6	11	8	7	7	6	7		7	-	-	2-0	130	6
St John Bosco	8	3	14	22	13	5	8		7	2-2	7-2	9-3	109	7
Bishop Gorman	13	13	10	14	9	8	13		7	1-1	1-2	4-2	102	8
South Pointe	7		6	6	5		14		5	-	-	1-0	92	9
Pine Richland	10	16	11	8	10		9		6	-	1-0	2-0	92	10
Trinity,KY	9		9	5	4		18		5	-	-	3-0	85	11
Chandler	11		13	11	21		5		5	1-1	1-1	3-1	69	12
DLS	25	15	16	23	14	13	16		7	1-2	2-2	4-2	60	13
Brentwood Academy			7		11	4	23		4	-	-	-	59	14
Corona Centennial	12	12				14	10		4	0-2	2-2	4-2	56	15
Bingham	19	18	15	18		21	15		6	0-1	2-1	4-1	50	16
Venice	23		20	12	17	20	19		6	0-1	0-1	3-1	45	17
St John's College	14		17	24	16	24	17		6	0-2	0-2	4-2	44	18
Cy-Fair		25		10		7	20		4	-	2-0	4-0	42	19
Bergen Catholic	21	19			12	12			4	0-1	1-1	4-2	40	20
St. Louis	15	5		19					3	-	1-0	8-0	39	21
Pickerington Central	20	23		16		9	25		5	0-1	4-1	6-1	37	22
Miami Northwestern				17	24	16	11		4	0-2	3-2	5-2	36	23
Folsom	18	8		25		17			4	-	1-0	8-0	36	24
Trotwood Madison		20		15	23		22		4	1-0	1-0	2-0	24	25
North Gwinnett	24	22	23	13					4	-	2-0	3-1	22	26
Lake Travis	16				15				2	0-1	1-2	2-3	21	27
Wake Forest			12	20					2	-	-	1-0	20	28
Mission Viejo		17				15			2	0-1	3-1	4-1	20	28
Archbishop Hoban		9				23			2	-	1-1	3-1	20	28
Rome	22	21		21					3	-	-	2-0	14	31
Greenwood		14				25			2	-	-	1-0	13	32
Lincoln-Way East			21			19			2	-	-	3-0	12	33
Owasso			22		25		21		3	-	-	1-1	10	34
Muskegon			24			18			2	-	-	-	10	34
Cathedral Prep					22		24		2	-	-	1-0	6	36
North Little Rock		7							1	-	1-0	4-0	19	37
Miami Central							12		1	1-3	2-3	3-3	14	38
Katy	17								1	-	0-1	2-1	9	39
Pearl			18						1	-	-	2-0	8	40
Dutch Fork					18				1	-	1-1	2-1	8	41
St Joseph Prep					19				1	0-1	0-1	2-1	7	42
Martinsburg			19						1	-	-	-	7	43
Archbishop Wood					20				1	0-1	1-1	2-1	6	44
Bishop Miege						22			1	-	-	-	4	45
Pickerington North		24							1	0-2	0-2	3-3	2	46
West Point			25						1		-	1-0	1

 

 

 

compilation.xlsx

[noonereal]

What stands out to me is no AL, GA or NJ in the comp top 25.

This made room for more deserving teams. Good to see.