This has now become dangerous

[paladin4ever]

Haley Barber, a University of Alabama student from NJ, has been expelled from the university because she posted a racist video on her personal social media account. The video was horrible and stupid and she deserves to be lambasted for it. She’s an asshole.. But, expelled? Does that not cross the line on her right to free speech? This is Orwellian in my view.

Should we start looking into the social media accounts of all of the university’s professor’s for their thought crimes?

 

[TheBlockIsHot]

35 minutes ago, paladin4ever said:

Haley Barber, a University of Alabama student from NJ, has been expelled from the university because she posted a racist video on her personal social media account. The video was horrible and stupid and she deserves to be lambasted for it. She’s an asshole.. But, expelled? Does that not cross the line on her right to free speech? This is Orwellian in my view.

Should we start looking into the social media accounts of all of the university’s professor’s for their thought crimes?

 

She should be expelled. She has a right to freedom of speech. But with that comes consequences. Spot on  

[HawgGoneIt]

8 minutes ago, TheBlockIsHot said:

She should be expelled. She has a right to freedom of speech. But with that comes consequences. Spot on  

 

These folks always try to twist and turn and find ways to defend (even if on the sly) someone for saying racist stuff. 

 

Hell yeah she should be expelled if the school doesn't want to be labeled as being accepting of her ilk. She definitely has freedom to say whatever racist stuff she wants, just like the school has the freedom to say, not here. Let her go stand on the courthouse steps with a megaphone and shout it if she wants. 

I have to say, I'm really starting to wonder about some of these private schools that call themselves Christian yet pump out folks that say racist stuff or folks that try to defend others out of the side of their mouth for saying racist stuff. 

Seems to be a rash of that mess going on. 

[TheBlockIsHot]

1 minute ago, HawgGoneIt said:

 

These folks always try to twist and turn and find ways to defend (even if on the sly) someone for saying racist stuff. 

 

Hell yeah she should be expelled if the school doesn't want to be labeled as being accepting of her ilk. She definitely has freedom to say whatever racist stuff she wants, just like the school has the freedom to say, not here. Let her go stand on the courthouse steps with a megaphone and shout it if she wants. 

I have to say, I'm really starting to wonder about some of these private schools that call themselves Christian yet pump out folks that say racist stuff or folks that try to defend others out of the side of their mouth for saying racist stuff. 

Seems to be a rash of that mess going on. 

To be honest. Some of the private parochial schools are the absolute worst. Good stuff @HawgGoneIt

[aZjimbo]

Lots of athletes have lost scholarships for what they posted on their social media.

[paladin4ever]

43 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said:

 

These folks always try to twist and turn and find ways to defend (even if on the sly) someone for saying racist stuff. 

 

Hell yeah she should be expelled if the school doesn't want to be labeled as being accepting of her ilk. She definitely has freedom to say whatever racist stuff she wants, just like the school has the freedom to say, not here. Let her go stand on the courthouse steps with a megaphone and shout it if she wants. 

I have to say, I'm really starting to wonder about some of these private schools that call themselves Christian yet pump out folks that say racist stuff or folks that try to defend others out of the side of their mouth for saying racist stuff. 

Seems to be a rash of that mess going on. 

First, I’m not saying she is correct in what she said. It was abhorrent. I am questioning if the school should expell someone for their speech. She didn’t say anything on school property. It was on her personal social media. Religion has nothing to do with it. Serious question: where does regulating speech stop? 

Btw, my family came from communist Cuba, where free speech does not exist. I am a first generation American and my parents became US citizens. 

We are going down a slippery slope as Americans.

[TheBlockIsHot]

9 minutes ago, paladin4ever said:

First, I’m not saying she is correct in what she said. It was abhorrent. I am questioning if the school should expell someone for their speech. She didn’t say anything on school property. It was on her personal social media. Religion has nothing to do with it. Serious question: where does regulating speech stop? 

Btw, my family came from communist Cuba, where free speech does not exist. I am a first generation American and my parents became US citizens. 

We are going down a slippery slope as Americans.

She attends the school and must adhere to the student code of conduct. No different than an employee doing the same thing and getting fired. Unfortunately, you represent schools you attend and places you work, even on your own time. Consequences are a bitch. 

[Horsefly]

This Is not a violation of her constitutional right to free speech.  More importantly, students and others, in the past, have been fired, expelled, etc. for posting questionable material on social media;  the lesson here is that it behooves one to take heed and NOT post stupid stuff on social media!  

This is right out of the University's student handbook:

"The University has a vital interest in the character of its students and, therefore, regards behavior at any location (on-campus or off-campus) as a reflection of a student’s character and fitness to be a member of the student body. The Code of Student Conduct thus creates an expectation of behavior that the University deems acceptable."

[I didn't post it but the specific article of conduct include offensive language to include but not limited to just racism.]

[DarterBlue]

2 hours ago, paladin4ever said:

Haley Barber, a University of Alabama student from NJ, has been expelled from the university because she posted a racist video on her personal social media account. The video was horrible and stupid and she deserves to be lambasted for it. She’s an asshole.. But, expelled? Does that not cross the line on her right to free speech? This is Orwellian in my view.

Should we start looking into the social media accounts of all of the university’s professor’s for their thought crimes?

 

Employers look at what prospective and current employees do all the time. Sure you have a right to free speech. But if you are dumb enough to post things for the whole world to see you often pay consequences for it. 

And, in case you have not noticed, we are going down a totalitarian path and have been for awhile. So why are you surprised? Personally, she is not going to get a lot of sympathy from me. However, I do recognize that the path we are going down has potentially frightening implications. 

[DarterBlue]

2 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said:

 

These folks always try to twist and turn and find ways to defend (even if on the sly) someone for saying racist stuff. 

 

Hell yeah she should be expelled if the school doesn't want to be labeled as being accepting of her ilk. She definitely has freedom to say whatever racist stuff she wants, just like the school has the freedom to say, not here. Let her go stand on the courthouse steps with a megaphone and shout it if she wants. 

I have to say, I'm really starting to wonder about some of these private schools that call themselves Christian yet pump out folks that say racist stuff or folks that try to defend others out of the side of their mouth for saying racist stuff. 

Seems to be a rash of that mess going on. 

These private schools (many christian) are not familiar with the parable of the Good Samaritan. I can see the Bible being rewritten in their image should we become a totalitarian society. 

[HSFBfan]

Only the left is allowed to express their views by destroying campuses making sure certain people are not allowed to speak because it would impact on their safe spaces. Unfortunately this girl put her views on social media which is the downfall of American society. Social media is killing a generation of kids. This girl however messed up it maybe is allowed to have her views. Unfortunately Alabama is gonna cover their ass by getting rid of her. If only she was left leaning she could have joined antifa and destroyed the whole campus and wouldn't have been touched. Don't remember any students at Berkley getting kicked out of school. And what was said is right about companies and such checking people social media before hiring them since social media isn't private they are allowed to do it. All the university is gonna say is she does not represent our values and she is done and yes she has been expelled. But again I guess the university in California love when tthe students smash the campus and make sure any right wing speakers never speak there. We are certainly on a slippery slope here and I for one am certainly glad I don't have to raise a kid in this period of time

[HawgGoneIt]

2 hours ago, paladin4ever said:

First, I’m not saying she is correct in what she said. It was abhorrent. I am questioning if the school should expell someone for their speech. She didn’t say anything on school property. It was on her personal social media. Religion has nothing to do with it. Serious question: where does regulating speech stop? 

Btw, my family came from communist Cuba, where free speech does not exist. I am a first generation American and my parents became US citizens. 

We are going down a slippery slope as Americans.

 

I'm afraid you don't get it.

No one is regulating her speech. If they deleted her posts or gagged her or something, then they are regulating her speech. She's free to go to Wharton. Wherever else it is they are allowing this type of person to attend their schools. I'm afraid that public opinion drives these codes of conduct. A vast majority of the public abhor racist language and attempt to oust it from their society as they deem it not helpful. 

Like I said before, she can go and step up onto the karaoke stage and instead of singing, she can say whatever racist mess she wants to say. 

She's free to do that. No one is stopping her. Her speech isn't being regulated in any form. She has to know that she becomes a societal leper though. Common sense and any knowledge of the world and today's society should tell her that. 

 

 

[DevilDog]

4 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said:

 

These folks always try to twist and turn and find ways to defend (even if on the sly) someone for saying racist stuff. 

 

Hell yeah she should be expelled if the school doesn't want to be labeled as being accepting of her ilk. She definitely has freedom to say whatever racist stuff she wants, just like the school has the freedom to say, not here. Let her go stand on the courthouse steps with a megaphone and shout it if she wants. 

I have to say, I'm really starting to wonder about some of these private schools that call themselves Christian yet pump out folks that say racist stuff or folks that try to defend others out of the side of their mouth for saying racist stuff. 

Seems to be a rash of that mess going on. 

I am retiring and just reading your stuff @HawgGoneIt

[HawgGoneIt]

11 minutes ago, DevilDog said:

I am retiring and just reading your stuff @HawgGoneIt

Don't retire man. 

I'm just still fired up since Martin Luther King Jr. Day and there is a lot of low hanging fruit here. It's like that sometimes. Hard to believe that it's been almost 50 years since he was killed and we are still dealing with much of the same stuff. Gotta keep walking toward the just stuff is all I know. 

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

Ive always been told... 

You can say what you want... 

But theres a cost for what you say... 

 

[TheMaximumHornetSting]

I believe thats a lesson alot of people need to learn and will learn the hard way... 

Your mouth writes a check that your ass cant cash... 

And why do people post shit online... 

Really... you thought no one was gonna see this and say anything?  

 

[DevilDog]

1 hour ago, HawgGoneIt said:

Don't retire man. 

I'm just still fired up since Martin Luther King Jr. Day and there is a lot of low hanging fruit here. It's like that sometimes. Hard to believe that it's been almost 50 years since he was killed and we are still dealing with much of the same stuff. Gotta keep walking toward the just stuff is all I know. 

NAH:  You got this and your suppressive fire don't need any assistance.  I will still be reading occasionally.  Taking a break my Brain can only process so much nonsense and I have had about 30 days of overload.  Keep firing and I will keep admiring.  A lil poetry as I fade out.

Peace don't be too hard on Concha he would convince a midget he could start at the 5 in the NBA if Trump declared it.  He knows there is not a Snow Balls chance in hell but it sounds so ridiculous it just might Work. 

I am leaving it up to you.  You can

[Bormio]

Try applying the same standard to tenured faculty and you would have an uproar on the left.

[TheBlockIsHot]

9 hours ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said:

Ive always been told... 

You can say what you want... 

But theres a cost for what you say... 

 

100 percent spot on. End of story. 

[maxchoboian]

14 hours ago, HawgGoneIt said:

 

These folks always try to twist and turn and find ways to defend (even if on the sly) someone for saying racist stuff. 

 

Hell yeah she should be expelled if the school doesn't want to be labeled as being accepting of her ilk. She definitely has freedom to say whatever racist stuff she wants, just like the school has the freedom to say, not here. Let her go stand on the courthouse steps with a megaphone and shout it if she wants. 

I have to say, I'm really starting to wonder about some of these private schools that call themselves Christian yet pump out folks that say racist stuff or folks that try to defend others out of the side of their mouth for saying racist stuff. 

Seems to be a rash of that mess going on. 

Hate speech is not legal. She said something along the lines of although she acts like she loves black people, she actually hates niggers. And then she proceeds to say she'll use "niggers" all she wants, over and over again. Universities can expel students for committing crimes, and she effectively committed a crime. She admitted that she made a big mistake and shouldn't have done what she did. Alabama is justified in sending her on her way. Freedom of speech doesn't allow people to say whatever the hell they want.

[Bormio]

5 minutes ago, maxchoboian said:

Hate speech is not legal. She said something along the lines of although she acts like she loves black people, she actually hates niggers. And then she proceeds to say she'll use "niggers" all she wants, over and over again. Universities can expel students for committing crimes, and she effectively committed a crime. She admitted that she made a big mistake and shouldn't have done what she did. Alabama is justified in sending her on her way. Freedom of speech doesn't allow people to say whatever the hell they want.

Actually freedom of speech does allow all opinions - even hateful ones.  Hate speech is most definitely legal.  Actions can be criminal, but not speech.

[maxchoboian]

19 minutes ago, Bormio said:

Actually freedom of speech does allow all opinions - even hateful ones.  Hate speech is most definitely legal.  Actions can be criminal, but not speech.

I'm wrong. If it is deemed to precipitate violence, then hate speech can be considered illegal, correct?

[HSFBfan]

20 minutes ago, Bormio said:

Actually freedom of speech does allow all opinions - even hateful ones.  Hate speech is most definitely legal.  Actions can be criminal, but not speech.

Speech is certainly not a crime. You can stand on the top of a mountain screaming any word you want. Nothing will happen to you by legal standards. Now someone may come whip your ass but thats a risk you take. If hate speech was illegal groups like the KKK would not be getting legal permits to protest and state their views

[HSFBfan]

2 minutes ago, maxchoboian said:

I'm wrong. If it is deemed to precipitate violence, then hate speech can be considered illegal, correct?

If you start a riot you can be charged with inciting a riot. 

[Bormio]

30 minutes ago, maxchoboian said:

I'm wrong. If it is deemed to precipitate violence, then hate speech can be considered illegal, correct?

Disturbing the peace, often verbal, is criminal.  But there is a fine line. The onus for violence is typically on the one who starts with actual violence.  The words are not criminal in disturbing the peace, but the way it is done.