FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, Blueliner said: C'mon man! I'm not paranoid about anything. I make my own decisions based off of my own critical thought process. You know damn well that the MSM would be all-hailing Obama if it were him. Heck, Obama received a NPP for basically doing nothing. He was even a little embarrassed that he received it over so many other worthy individuals. What about Fox News lambasting Obama for 8 years? Most of it was fake news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 21 minutes ago, Hardcore Troubador said: Oddly enough I’m kind of with the dealers in forfeiture reform. I defended our police and prosecutor clients in some of these when the criminals tried to get the $ back. Proud to say we never lost a case, but it’s a system that is very easily abused by LEO. Let me just say there is a reason these idiot cops were driving around in BMWs and taking multiple vacations to the Caribbean each year. And it ain’t because of all the OT they’re putting in... I’m in agreement. I just think the “it’s their money” crowd is amusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 I have a question. How can you propose a Nobel Peace Prize to someone that more than half of his own Nation views as a disrupter and and seems to be dividing further? Serious Question. Here is ample time to School the Old Gunny. Based off the below polling. He would in fact get the Prize if less educated White Mainline & Evangelic Protestants were the electors. Hell I didn't know they were 2 separate groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Norway just nominated him. Here we go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, zulu1128 said: Norway just nominated him. Here we go! By the way I don't understand why Obama got it either> And I read many articles on it about him. I did understand Jimmy Carter when he got it that dude put in work after office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 4 hours ago, concha said: I love how bedwetting liberals justify giving a terrorist state access to money. Do these idiots actually ever think about what they type? its unbelievable .... and this came out last week. http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-misled-congress-secretly-broke-sanctions-for-iran-before-the-deal-2018-6 How treasonous and toxic does it have to be when even the wall street bankers steer clear of making a quick and easy big payday and they tell Obama to get lost..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 8 hours ago, DBP66 said: ....if it was their money in the first place??.......like was the case with Iran?...nice try....Economics 101....😉 Low information take.... not shocking from a pysch major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-misled-congress-secretly-broke-sanctions-for-iran-before-the-deal-2018-6 Do You think low IQ Deniro nuthuggers like DB66 and Folsom can comprehend this article......My guess is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: Low information take.... not shocking from a pysch major. go play with your calculator...Trump stooge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: Low information take.... not shocking from a pysch major. who's money was it?...don't be afraid to use your calculator if you need to.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-misled-congress-secretly-broke-sanctions-for-iran-before-the-deal-2018-6 Do You think low IQ Deniro nuthuggers like DB66 and Folsom can comprehend this article......My guess is no. did you read the headline????...."tried and failed"...low I.Q.?..I'd say so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, DBP66 said: who's money was it?...don't be afraid to use your calculator if you need to.... Read up..... and tell me do you know why Obama didn't just send Iran US dollars which obviously would of been much easier? Instead he sent francs, euros etc that was converted from dollars...... do you even know why? Of course you don't. Amid all the fuss over President Obama’s “ransom” payment to Iran to free US hostages, less scrutinized is the president’s justification for airlifting cash to Tehran: that we owed them the money. It deserves more attention, because the administration has failed to make its case. To review: On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Obama administration not only paid $400 million in cash to Iran on Jan. 17, but $1.3 billion more in cash in two subsequent shipments — all in Swiss francs, euros and other currencies. The administration claims the payments were returning money Iran paid in 1979 under the Foreign Military Sales program for military equipment it ordered but did not receive, plus interest. It’s a misdirection. And as Congress returns from its recess, it’s time to focus on two key questions the administration has been refusing to answer ever since the beginning of the year: How was the payment calculated, and was it really due? In his Jan. 17 announcement, Obama cast the payment as a favorable settlement of Iran’s claim for its 1979 payment. He said he had potentially saved “billions of dollars” Iran could have pursued at the Iran-US Claims Tribunal at The Hague. But the administration has repeatedly refused to answer questions about the merits of the claim or the amount of the payment. Not for lack of trying on the part of Congress. On Feb. 3, Rep. Edward J. Royce (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, requested “all legal analyses . . . evaluating the likelihood of Iran prevailing in this dispute” and a “detailed explanation of how the interest payment to Iran of $1.3 billion was calculated.” Six weeks later, Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs Julia Frifield responded that the United States “could well have faced significant [additional] exposure in the billions of dollars,” because “Iran was of course seeking very high rates of interest,” and “we are confident that this was a good settlement for the American taxpayer.” But she provided neither a legal analysis of the claim nor a calculation of the interest paid. The State Department’s response also noted that the United States “has a significant counterclaim against Iran arising out of the [Foreign Military Sales] program” seeking “substantial damages.” But the administration has declined to explain the nature and amount of its counterclaim, or why it paid Iran’s claim and left its own counterclaim for future litigation. Moreover, the administration had more than $400 million in other claims against Iran, arising under the “Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act,” for court judgments it holds against Iran for terrorist attacks against Americans. That law specifically provided that “no funds shall be paid to Iran . . . from the Foreign Military Sales Fund, until [such claims] have been dealt with to the satisfaction of the United States.” In a Jan. 29 letter, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) asked why the administration had paid Iran its claim before Iran satisfied the VTVPA claims — which total $465 million plus interest. The administration responded it had resolved the VTVPA claims “by securing a favorable resolution on the interest owed” Iran. But in a June 1 letter to Secretary of State John Kerry, Royce computed the maximum Iranian claim arising out of the 1979 payment as $1.8 billion — before considering any offsets in American claims against Iran. We currently don’t know whether, after such offsets, the United States owed Iran anything at all. In his Aug. 4 press conference, the president contended that “we were completely open with everybody” about the payment to Iran. He said his lawyers assessed that “there was significant litigation risk” regarding Iran’s claim. But the administration hasn’t disclosed how it calculated its payment, or the amount of its counterclaim, or how the VTVPA claims were resolved by the payment, or why the administration thought Iran would prevail in a lawsuit that surely would have considered counterclaims. Since the administration has withheld the legal analysis, the computation, the details of the offsets and counterclaims and the explanation of why it paid Iran without first consulting the relevant congressional committees, we need more information to evaluate the administration’s repeated insistence that this was a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Mjd33 said: Read up..... and tell me do you know why Obama didn't just send Iran US dollars which obviously would of been much easier? Instead he sent francs, euros etc that was converted from dollars...... do you even know why? Of course you don't. Amid all the fuss over President Obama’s “ransom” payment to Iran to free US hostages, less scrutinized is the president’s justification for airlifting cash to Tehran: that we owed them the money. It deserves more attention, because the administration has failed to make its case. To review: On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Obama administration not only paid $400 million in cash to Iran on Jan. 17, but $1.3 billion more in cash in two subsequent shipments — all in Swiss francs, euros and other currencies. The administration claims the payments were returning money Iran paid in 1979 under the Foreign Military Sales program for military equipment it ordered but did not receive, plus interest. It’s a misdirection. And as Congress returns from its recess, it’s time to focus on two key questions the administration has been refusing to answer ever since the beginning of the year: How was the payment calculated, and was it really due? In his Jan. 17 announcement, Obama cast the payment as a favorable settlement of Iran’s claim for its 1979 payment. He said he had potentially saved “billions of dollars” Iran could have pursued at the Iran-US Claims Tribunal at The Hague. But the administration has repeatedly refused to answer questions about the merits of the claim or the amount of the payment. Not for lack of trying on the part of Congress. On Feb. 3, Rep. Edward J. Royce (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, requested “all legal analyses . . . evaluating the likelihood of Iran prevailing in this dispute” and a “detailed explanation of how the interest payment to Iran of $1.3 billion was calculated.” Six weeks later, Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs Julia Frifield responded that the United States “could well have faced significant [additional] exposure in the billions of dollars,” because “Iran was of course seeking very high rates of interest,” and “we are confident that this was a good settlement for the American taxpayer.” But she provided neither a legal analysis of the claim nor a calculation of the interest paid. The State Department’s response also noted that the United States “has a significant counterclaim against Iran arising out of the [Foreign Military Sales] program” seeking “substantial damages.” But the administration has declined to explain the nature and amount of its counterclaim, or why it paid Iran’s claim and left its own counterclaim for future litigation. Moreover, the administration had more than $400 million in other claims against Iran, arising under the “Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act,” for court judgments it holds against Iran for terrorist attacks against Americans. That law specifically provided that “no funds shall be paid to Iran . . . from the Foreign Military Sales Fund, until [such claims] have been dealt with to the satisfaction of the United States.” In a Jan. 29 letter, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) asked why the administration had paid Iran its claim before Iran satisfied the VTVPA claims — which total $465 million plus interest. The administration responded it had resolved the VTVPA claims “by securing a favorable resolution on the interest owed” Iran. But in a June 1 letter to Secretary of State John Kerry, Royce computed the maximum Iranian claim arising out of the 1979 payment as $1.8 billion — before considering any offsets in American claims against Iran. We currently don’t know whether, after such offsets, the United States owed Iran anything at all. In his Aug. 4 press conference, the president contended that “we were completely open with everybody” about the payment to Iran. He said his lawyers assessed that “there was significant litigation risk” regarding Iran’s claim. But the administration hasn’t disclosed how it calculated its payment, or the amount of its counterclaim, or how the VTVPA claims were resolved by the payment, or why the administration thought Iran would prevail in a lawsuit that surely would have considered counterclaims. Since the administration has withheld the legal analysis, the computation, the details of the offsets and counterclaims and the explanation of why it paid Iran without first consulting the relevant congressional committees, we need more information to evaluate the administration’s repeated insistence that this was a good deal. Nice copy and paste job. Fake news!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mjd33 said: Read up..... and tell me do you know why Obama didn't just send Iran US dollars which obviously would of been much easier? Instead he sent francs, euros etc that was converted from dollars...... do you even know why? Of course you don't. Amid all the fuss over President Obama’s “ransom” payment to Iran to free US hostages, less scrutinized is the president’s justification for airlifting cash to Tehran: that we owed them the money. It deserves more attention, because the administration has failed to make its case. To review: On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that the Obama administration not only paid $400 million in cash to Iran on Jan. 17, but $1.3 billion more in cash in two subsequent shipments — all in Swiss francs, euros and other currencies. The administration claims the payments were returning money Iran paid in 1979 under the Foreign Military Sales program for military equipment it ordered but did not receive, plus interest. It’s a misdirection. And as Congress returns from its recess, it’s time to focus on two key questions the administration has been refusing to answer ever since the beginning of the year: How was the payment calculated, and was it really due? In his Jan. 17 announcement, Obama cast the payment as a favorable settlement of Iran’s claim for its 1979 payment. He said he had potentially saved “billions of dollars” Iran could have pursued at the Iran-US Claims Tribunal at The Hague. But the administration has repeatedly refused to answer questions about the merits of the claim or the amount of the payment. Not for lack of trying on the part of Congress. On Feb. 3, Rep. Edward J. Royce (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, requested “all legal analyses . . . evaluating the likelihood of Iran prevailing in this dispute” and a “detailed explanation of how the interest payment to Iran of $1.3 billion was calculated.” Six weeks later, Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs Julia Frifield responded that the United States “could well have faced significant [additional] exposure in the billions of dollars,” because “Iran was of course seeking very high rates of interest,” and “we are confident that this was a good settlement for the American taxpayer.” But she provided neither a legal analysis of the claim nor a calculation of the interest paid. The State Department’s response also noted that the United States “has a significant counterclaim against Iran arising out of the [Foreign Military Sales] program” seeking “substantial damages.” But the administration has declined to explain the nature and amount of its counterclaim, or why it paid Iran’s claim and left its own counterclaim for future litigation. Moreover, the administration had more than $400 million in other claims against Iran, arising under the “Victims of Trafficking and Violence Protection Act,” for court judgments it holds against Iran for terrorist attacks against Americans. That law specifically provided that “no funds shall be paid to Iran . . . from the Foreign Military Sales Fund, until [such claims] have been dealt with to the satisfaction of the United States.” In a Jan. 29 letter, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) asked why the administration had paid Iran its claim before Iran satisfied the VTVPA claims — which total $465 million plus interest. The administration responded it had resolved the VTVPA claims “by securing a favorable resolution on the interest owed” Iran. But in a June 1 letter to Secretary of State John Kerry, Royce computed the maximum Iranian claim arising out of the 1979 payment as $1.8 billion — before considering any offsets in American claims against Iran. We currently don’t know whether, after such offsets, the United States owed Iran anything at all. In his Aug. 4 press conference, the president contended that “we were completely open with everybody” about the payment to Iran. He said his lawyers assessed that “there was significant litigation risk” regarding Iran’s claim. But the administration hasn’t disclosed how it calculated its payment, or the amount of its counterclaim, or how the VTVPA claims were resolved by the payment, or why the administration thought Iran would prevail in a lawsuit that surely would have considered counterclaims. Since the administration has withheld the legal analysis, the computation, the details of the offsets and counterclaims and the explanation of why it paid Iran without first consulting the relevant congressional committees, we need more information to evaluate the administration’s repeated insistence that this was a good deal. where did this cut and paste come from?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, DBP66 said: where did this cut and paste come from?? What an uneducated idiot. Can't even form his own thoughts without posting fake news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, DBP66 said: did you read the headline????...."tried and failed"...low I.Q.?..I'd say so.... Therein lies the problem.... you are ok with Obama even "trying" to do it. Will defend him to the end when so much evidence exists what a piece of garbage he was.... but than you cant grasp why we have trump? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, DBP66 said: where did this cut and paste come from?? why didn't Obama send US dollars to iran? please tell us..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, FolsomPrisonBlues said: What an uneducated idiot. Can't even form his own thoughts without posting fake news. just another desperate Trumper trying to make a point that doesn't exist.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: Nice copy and paste job. Fake news!!!! It wasn't intended for someone like you who can barely read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Mjd33 said: why didn't Obama send US dollars to iran? please tell us..... He sent that back their own money. Why are you pushing another right wing conspiracy? Notice how ALL the political conspiracy theories seem to be pushed by far righters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, Mjd33 said: It wasn't intended for someone like you who can barely read. I'm not the one copy and pasting because I can't form my own thoughts lol You are literally a FOX news talking point lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Mjd33 said: Therein lies the problem.... you are ok with Obama even "trying" to do it. Will defend him to the end when so much evidence exists what a piece of garbage he was.... but than you cant grasp why we have trump? The problem is you tried making a point and didn't-couldn't....and you're trying to deflect now with BS about "well Obama tried"...WEAK... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 hour ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: What about Fox News lambasting Obama for 8 years? Most of it was fake news. Nope. Not at all. I get that there'll always be bi-partisanship, but I disagree with any unnecessary lambasting of a sitting President of the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mjd33 said: why didn't Obama send US dollars to iran? please tell us..... does it matter??...NO... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted June 13, 2018 Report Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: He sent that back their own money. Why are you pushing another right wing conspiracy? Notice how ALL the political conspiracy theories seem to be pushed by far righters. Ok if he was just giving Iran back their own money why didn't Obama send US dollars which would of been easier than converting to other currencies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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