Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 right there do i need to find more bc I'm sure i can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Fsu has owned the gators lately and i don't see that changing Dan Mullen is a better coach than Taggart so expect that to change in a year or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Bobby Bowden went 5-6 first year at Florida State Joe Paterno went 5-5 first year at Penn State Florida State was the equivalent of a mid-major program in 1976. But you're making my point for me. Great coaches (or potentially great ones) don't go 2-10. They might go 5-6 (at worst). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, Guccifer said: Dan Mullen is a better coach than Taggart so expect that to change in a year or two. Maybe if he recruits hungry players like he did to get Mississippi State to overachieve If he recruits those pampered players Florida usually gets then nothing will change Florida always goes after the players with a silver spoons in their mouth, probably why they lost 10+ players to suspension Those players weren't used to being told no because they were type of players who their high schools let them walk on water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: 3 right there do i need to find more bc I'm sure i can Again, you're giving me a bunch of guys that essentially went .500 in their first year. Bowden went 10-2 in his second year at FSU. He also went 42-26 at West Virginia before leaving for Florida State. In other words, he didn't have a losing record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, Guccifer said: Again, you're giving me a bunch of guys that essentially went .500 in their first year. Bowden went 10-2 in his second year at FSU. He also went 42-26 at West Virginia before leaving for Florida State. In other words, he didn't have a losing record. So if he went 5-7 instead of 2-10 that would make him a good coach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Lou Holtz went 0-11 in first year at South Carolina in 1999 Went 8-4 in 2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Maybe if he recruits hungry players like he did to get Mississippi State to overachieve You keep talking about recruiting. I'm talking about coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: So if he went 5-7 instead of 2-10 that would make him a good coach? It doesn't guarantee anything but it's true of just about every great coach in college football history. Lane Kiffin took over a program that was 9-27 in the previous 3 years. He went 9-3 in the regular season in year 1 and after beating the piss out of Akron in the bowl game will have 11 wins. That's great coaching. What Willie Taggart has done in his career is mediocre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Lou Holtz went 0-11 in first year at South Carolina in 1999 Went 8-4 in 2000 In the SEC. And Lou Holtz won a conference championship or national championship at 4 different schools prior to taking the South Carolina job. Oh, and he didn't have a losing record for his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: He is going to have far more resources recruiting at fsu then at usf and will be in the most talent rich state in the nation His competition will have far more resources too. And he coached in the most talent rich state while at South Florida and never won a conference championship. Scott Frost took over an 0-12 team in the same state and same conference and he won a conference title in year 2. And went 12-0. That's what a potentially great coach does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Guccifer said: His competition will have far more resources too. And he coached in the most talent rich state while at South Florida and never won a conference championship. Scott Frost took over an 0-12 team in the same state and same conference and he won a conference title in year 2. And went 12-0. That's what a potentially great coach does. I think Frost has potential to be a great coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: I think Frost has potential to be a great coach Right, because he didn't have a losing record and he won a conference championship. Both things that Taggart doesn't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Guccifer said: Right, because he didn't have a losing record and he won a conference championship. Both things that Taggart doesn't have. Him winning a conference championship isn't what makes me think he has potential It's because he seems to be the type of coach who can build a team and get players to buy into his system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: It's because he seems to be the type of coach who can build a team and get players to buy into his system If he was that same guy and he was going 6-6 every year then it would be meaningless. Getting kids to buy in only matters if it leads to success. Records and conference titles show success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, Guccifer said: If he was that same guy and he was going 6-6 every year then it would be meaningless. Getting kids to buy in only matters if it leads to success. Records and conference titles show success. It shows success sure but a coach isn't good just because he wins conference championships The coach is getting players to buy into the system is the first step to winning championships Everyone has to start somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, Columbiafan said: It shows success sure but a coach isn't good just because he wins conference championships The coach is getting players to buy into the system is the first step to winning championships Everyone has to start somewhere This is a stupid post. Even for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealCAJ Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Guccifer said: One of the many reasons why you'll never be in a position to hire anybody in your life: Somehow you think that's an impressive resume. Who would you have hired with all your hiring experience, guccifer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Guccifer said: This is a stupid post. Even for you. Yeah because I'm sure any coach has players automatically behind the coach the moment they walk in door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Your biggest problem is you too lazy to look big picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, TheRealCAJ said: Who would you have hired with all your hiring experience, guccifer? Well he a Miami fan so he probably likes this hire because he feels this hire will keep fsu from being a threat to his canes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just winning a conference championship isn't enough Any halfway decent coach can take over good talent somewhere else and win (like 2 coaches in playoffs right now) it a totally different skill to keep them winning once your coaching all players that you brought in Some coaches are winning with the previous coaches talent, those coaches i want to see do they keep winning once all players from their predecessor have graduated I know Scott Frost brought ucf from ground up so I'm not speaking about him specifically and i hope he does same turnaround at Nebraska because watching a proud program like them be in these mediocre bowls or no bowl every year is sad to watch, they should be competing each year for National titles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Columbiafan said: Your biggest problem is you too lazy to look big picture Big picture: Jimbo Fisher = 83-23, national championship Willie Taggart = 47-50, zero championships You're a teenager who's telling me about big picture. Laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Columbiafan said: Just winning a conference championship isn't enough Willie Taggart hasn't won a conference championship. So forget about it being enough. He doesn't have any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guccifer Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Columbiafan said: it a totally different skill to keep them winning once your coaching all players that you brought in Something Taggart has never done. You're boring me. Winning conference championships is not sufficient but it's probably necessary. Having a winning record is no sufficient but it's probably necessary. Do you understand that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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