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Bormio

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The House of Commons must vote on the Brexit deal Saturday, and will be close, but Prime Ministers do not usually lose close votes of this importance.  He did what everyone said was impossible, by making the EU believe Britain might actually go without a deal.  This is a huge win for the US, who should have always sought to keep Britain separate from the EU.

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19 minutes ago, Bormio said:

The House of Commons must vote on the Brexit deal Saturday, and will be close, but Prime Ministers do not usually lose close votes of this importance.  He did what everyone said was impossible, by making the EU believe Britain might actually go without a deal.  This is a huge win for the US, who should have always sought to keep Britain separate from the EU.

I keep hearing something about northern Ireland being a factor 

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7 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

I keep hearing something about northern Ireland being a factor 

The Northern Ireland conservatives are not going to support the deal, but there are probably 305 Tory or ex-Tory votes for the deal.  A smattering of independent votes may get him to 310 - needing 320.  There are a number of Labour MPs who represent Leave districts - particularly in the North.  Remember, close to 1/3 of Labour voters voted Leave.  All Boris needs is 10 Labour votes or a few abstentions and he can reach a majority.  Opinion polls in Britain are apparently strongly in favor of the deal.  Parliament could buck popular opinion if it was real close, but MPs are not committing suicide with an election imminent.

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22 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

Looks like he did @Bormio

Brexit has passed 

Not yet - that was the second reading.  Each Bill has 3 readings.  The Commons did not approve the 3 day timetable for debate and amendments.  So the bill is on hold.  However the 2nd reading had a number of Labour MPs support it - so if they get to a 3rd reading (when) chances are looking good.

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The Remainers think the EU will grant a delay.  However the French are inclined not to - and they have a veto.  People are forgetting if the EU says no, they know for a certainty that the Commons would approve Boris’ deal in a nanosecond to avoid a no deal Brexit.  The EU wants this over, and denying an extension beyond 10/31 is the fastest way for this to happen.  

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33 minutes ago, Troll said:

Doesn't a half dozen other EU countries have to vote approval as well???

Where does that stand?... 

The 26 other EU countries all must agree on a delay.  They were ready to approve the deal.  The EU will delay if they want Britain to stay, not delay if they want them to go.  The French may want them to go.

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"This is a huge win for the US, who should have always sought to keep Britain separate from the EU."

????????

Britain is an important ally and Brexit is weakening their economy.  The U.S. should not want to see any ally economically weakened.  It isn't a zero sum game where if an ally falters two steps that means that the American economy moves forward two steps.  It doesn't work that way.

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24 minutes ago, stanscript said:

"This is a huge win for the US, who should have always sought to keep Britain separate from the EU."

????????

Britain is an important ally and Brexit is weakening their economy.  The U.S. should not want to see any ally economically weakened.  It isn't a zero sum game where if an ally falters two steps that means that the American economy moves forward two steps.  It doesn't work that way.

The economic effects of Brexit are overblown and will be transient.  Britain is still the strongest military in Europe and the 2nd largest economy.  The US wants an ally not bound up in the mess that is the EU, and wants a power center in Western Europe to balance Germany.

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Just now, Bormio said:

It’s been 250 years.  Hell, every one wants to forgive and forget re: Germany and it hasn’t been 80 years - and their sins were far, far worse.

I dont trust the germans. I dont trust the Japanese. We kicked all these countries asses just for them to screw us in trade and such. These are not allies. 

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1 hour ago, stanscript said:

Britain is an important ally and Brexit is weakening their economy.  The U.S. should not want to see any ally economically weakened.  It isn't a zero sum game where if an ally falters two steps that means that the American economy moves forward two steps.  It doesn't work that way.

From a non-biased stance "weakening their economy" is all very dependent...

you know, like on whether the economy would be better with these business partners or not....

Wouldn't that necessarily all hang on whether the rest pull them up... or pull them down???

Now I'm sure you have some stan stat somewhere, that projects those other economies (several also declining) to do better than the hypothetical England alone....but the bottom line is...when it is all a crap shoot, I thought that the voters had placed their bets ???

maybe not....maybe it doesn't work that way...🤔

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14 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

From Nigel Farage

At last the deadlock in parliament is broken, Brexit now has a chance to succeed.

Boris needs to win a majority - cannot depend on the N. Ireland contingent or have a bunch of Tory Remainers.  Will lose some Remain seats to the Lib Dems in London.  But can make up for it in the Brexit-supporting Labour seats in the North of England.  Will likely lose seats in Scotland as well.  It could be very close.  Polls favor the Tories - but much can change in 6 weeks.  Tory voters fortunately like Boris - they could have cared less for May.

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2 minutes ago, Bormio said:

Boris needs to win a majority - cannot depend on the N. Ireland contingent or have a bunch of Tory Remainers.  Will lose some Remain seats to the Lib Dems in London.  But can make up for it in the Brexit-supporting Labour seats in the North of England.  Will likely lose seats in Scotland as well.  It could be very close.  Polls favor the Tories - but much can change in 6 weeks.  Tory voters fortunately like Boris - they could have cared less for May.

I just hope hes able to do it. I appreciate you laying it out the way u do. 

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