HSFBfan Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 https://www.newsmax.com/politics/donald-trump-deny-citizenship-immigrants/2018/03/28/id/851269/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/donald-trump-deny-citizenship-immigrants/2018/03/28/id/851269/ If that is the route you are going to go, it would be better to have a policy where Green Card holders don't qualify for welfare benefits except for unemployment and SS which they earned from their employment. To have a situation where you can live here indefinitely but not become a citizen because you took EBT or whatnot does not appeal to me. My first child was born three months before I finished my graduate work and five months total before I got my first paycheck. During that period, my wife took WIC. So under this situation you are telling me neither her not me could become citizens. Never mind that since then the only "unearned benefit" either of us have ever taken was six months unemployment over 33.5 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Just now, Drummer61 said: Again, not solving the real issue...ILLEGALS are ILLEGAL...Should not be here...I have call yes it is because now if you are an immigrant and accept any kind of benefits they will have your name and you wont get citizenship meaning then you are an illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, DarterBlue said: If that is the route you are going to go, it would be better to have a policy where Green Card holders don't qualify for welfare benefits except for unemployment and SS which they earned from their employment. To have a situation where you can live here indefinitely but not become a citizen because you took EBT or whatnot does not appeal to me. My first child was born three months before I finished my graduate work and five months total before I got my first paycheck. During that period, my wife took WIC. So under this situation you are telling me neither her not me could become citizens. Never mind that since then the only "unearned benefit" either of us have ever taken was six months unemployment over 33.5 years. Im not saying its good or bad but it sure is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Just now, HSFBfan said: yes it is because now if you are an immigrant and accept any kind of benefits they will have your name and you wont get citizenship meaning then you are an illegal. Does it mean you would become an illegal or just that you would have a Green Card in perpetuity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, DarterBlue said: Does it mean you would become an illegal or just that you would have a Green Card in perpetuity? It would have to be determined that I have taken a public benefit. But on the surface it seems like its an interesting proposal and well have to see all details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: Im not saying its good or bad but it sure is interesting. I am saying it's a bad policy. Better to restrict certain benefits to citizens than to give them to Green Card holders in exchange for never becoming a citizen. By doing this, it would be an incentive to become a citizen anyway, assuming the USA wants its immigrants to become citizens. If the county does not, then better to just have temporary guest worker status in perpetuity. Of course, by doing this, you would greatly effect the quality of immigrants that would want to come to the country, as well as their future loyalty to it. At the end of the day, the USA should figure out whether it wants immigrants and if yes, what kind of immigrants and gear its policy towards that goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: It would have to be determined that I have taken a public benefit. But on the surface it seems like its an interesting proposal and well have to see all details But if you took the public benefit legally how could that make you an illegal? If you committed fraud to get the benefit, then sure, fraud is fraud, and I could see that as being grounds to deny citizenship. But if you qualified to take the benefit (my wife taking the WIC for five months to help feed the baby), I don't see how that should affect your citizenship status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 Just now, DarterBlue said: I am saying it's a bad policy. Better to restrict certain benefits to citizens than to give them to Green Card holders in exchange for never becoming a citizen. By doing this, it would be an incentive to become a citizen anyway, assuming the USA wants its immigrants to become citizens. If the county does not, then better to just have temporary guest worker status in perpetuity. Of course, by doing this, you would greatly effect the quality of immigrants that would want to come to the country, as well as their future loyalty to it. At the end of the day, the USA should figure out whether it wants immigrants and if yes, what kind of immigrants and gear its policy towards that goal. I dont want to see anymore immigrants come in until our population decreases a ton. Lets take care of the citizens here first and make sure every citizen is taken care first before we let in and have to pay for more people to be here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 it's just a proposal to further harass immigrants to get his bass fired up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, DarterBlue said: But if you took the public benefit legally how could that make you an illegal? If you committed fraud to get the benefit, then sure, fraud is fraud, and I could see that as being grounds to deny citizenship. But if you qualified to take the benefit (my wife taking the WIC for five months to help feed the baby), I don't see how that should affect your citizenship status. If you take public benefit than your citizenship can be denied. Thats what the initial article is saying. Before we get into crazy can we see how this plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: If you take public benefit than your citizenship can be denied. Thats what the initial article is saying. Before we get into crazy can we see how this plays out. seems to me this would lead to an increase in crime hungry people don't generally just waste away and die, they do what they need to to eat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxchoboian Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, DarterBlue said: At the end of the day, the USA should figure out whether it wants immigrants and if yes, what kind of immigrants and gear its policy towards that goal. My guess is that the current administration would want you as an immigrant, based on your intellect exhibited on this board. Unfortunately, I'm not as confident you would be selected if done solely via a photo lineup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, noonereal said: seems to me this would lead to an increase in crime hungry people don't generally just waste away and die, they do what they need to to eat Like you and I stated this is a proposal. Have to see all details before we really get into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted March 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Drummer61 said: No more discussion about people who sneak in ILLEGALLY.....Should be zero conversation, deport and large fines for those who imploy them. Employ* 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 If you are an illegal immigrant, you don't qualify for benefits such as welfare. Legal immigrants though would qualify, pending they met the requirements. Big distinction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloryDays Posted March 28, 2018 Report Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, TheBlockIsHot said: If you are an illegal immigrant, you don't qualify for benefits such as welfare. Legal immigrants though would qualify, pending they met the requirements. Big distinction. They have no idea what year it even is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 12 hours ago, GloryDays said: They have no idea what year it even is. let's save real money and look at wast and fraud n the military. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 1 hour ago, noonereal said: let's save real money and look at wast and fraud n the military. It's hard to find. The DOD has been un-auditable for years now. It's a proverbial sieve, a mammoth Florida sinkhole! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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