HSFBfan Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration/u-s-ends-practice-that-gave-some-immigrants-reprieves-from-deportation-idUSKCN1IJ00N?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FPoliticsNews+(Reuters+Politics+News) Telling judges that they cannot shelve immigration cases because they are low priority. I have to applaud Jeff on this decison 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: Anybody who says the ILLEGAL INVASION of America is low priority does not know history and must be OFF THE BENCH.... Well Jeff just ended that Obama era BS......deport them and deport them quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Can we also deport those who are freeloading off the government who are citizens? They are costing us much more than illegals. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: Can we also deport those who are freeloading off the government who are citizens? They are costing us much more than illegals. Thoughts? No but you can cut off their funding....as one article stated we are choking on 10.7 million legal immigrants in this country. But first start deporting all illegals. Then cut off all funding from the government for citizens and either you'll survive here or people will leave on their own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, HSFBfan said: No but you can cut off their funding....as one article stated we are choking on 10.7 million legal immigrants in this country. But first start deporting all illegals. Then cut off all funding from the government for citizens and either you'll survive here or people will leave on their own But the freeloaders are costing our government much more than illegals. Most illegals contribute and work in much needed jobs that Americans won't do. Why the obsession with illegals? Fox news kool aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Sportsnut said: Some need help. Many work and still can't provide the basics. So get a better job? Go to school? Join the military. We have never had as many options in 2018 in this country, as we have had in our history. So much opportunity. The whole notion of disenfranchisement is a myth an excuse not to do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, FolsomPrisonBlues said: But the freeloaders are costing our government much more than illegals. Most illegals contribute and work in much needed jobs that Americans won't do. Why the obsession with illegals? Fox news kool aid. Because they shouldn't be here. So we can start with the people that dont belong here. Than we need to start figuring out a way to cut funding from citizens who abuse the system. But arguing against deportations of illegals is absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, HSFBfan said: Because they shouldn't be here. So we can start with the people that dont belong here. Than we need to start figuring out a way to cut funding from citizens who abuse the system. But arguing against deportations of illegals is absurd. Arguing against deporting illegals before addressing the freeloaders who are bankrupting our economy is also absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Sportsnut said: Some 66% of jobs in the US pay less than $20 an hour. Funny you mention that. I know people making 18 dollars an hour who believe they make "good money." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: Arguing against deporting illegals before addressing the freeloaders who are bankrupting our economy is also absurd. They are both major problems. Cant argue the point you are making. But one group actually belongs here as citizens and the other doesnt. But for the citizens that are freeloading the gravy train must be cut off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Sportsnut said: In their world, it is. That is what I have been trying to tell you. Cost of living makes a huge difference. I agree with you. My point to you is this- if people aren't making it, they have MANY options. So many options, it would make your head spin. So why the focus on giving these people free shit to make ends meet, when they have other options to do it on their own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, HSFBfan said: They are both major problems. Cant argue the point you are making. But one group actually belongs here as citizens and the other doesnt. But for the citizens that are freeloading the gravy train must be cut off I agree with you. But you also have to have a plan in place for the jobs that illegals hold, to be filled with legal citizens. You live in a state where this would be a MAJOR issue. Same goes for CA. Whats the plan? It isnt as simple as deportation. There are HUGE economical ramifications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: I agree with you. But you also have to have a plan in place for the jobs that illegals hold, to be filled with legal citizens. You live in a state where this would be a MAJOR issue. Same goes for CA. Whats the plan? It isnt as simple as deportation. There are HUGE economical ramifications. Thats what im saying deport the illegals.....than if there are 6.6 million job openings and 6 million people need a job you have jobs for everyone if i remember the numbers correctly. And if a citizen refuses to take said job than all benefits are cut off and they will be left to starve its that simple. As for someone that works and doesnt make enough you have to work 2 jobs, work everyday, work OT. Join the military as you stated. Thats a big downfall in this country no mandatory military like other countries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Sportsnut said: Name the options if they can't do it working? Which do you prefer, A social safety net....or A criminal preying on society? Name the options that will work if work is not working? If there job doesn't pay enough? Go back to school, get training for a better paying job. Apply for higher paying jobs. Work hard or apply for promotion. Join the military (Reserves for extra income and schooling) Are these not good options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: than if there are 6.6 million job openings and 6 million people need a job you have jobs for everyone if i remember the numbers correctly. And if a citizen refuses to take said job than all benefits are cut off and they will be left to starve its that simple. That is all fine and dandy but you and I both know that will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, FolsomPrisonBlues said: That is all fine and dandy but you and I both know that will never happen. Yes I know which is absurd.......we have come up with too much safety nets and too much BS over the past 100 years. Military service would help significantly with the problems you are talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sportsnut said: People can't just drop life. That is unrealistic. No, they are not good options. Everyone is not you. Their life is not your life. Do you think life is the same for everyone? If it were that easy, no one would be struggling. Those are NOT good options? I am saying to drop life. People can go to school and work. People can apply for better and higher paying jobs. People can have a family and life in the military. People can move somewhere else and still have a life. What of these options requires them to drop life? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 @Sportsnut so you are saying that since people don't like the options and are unwilling to sacrifice, they should be given free shit? BTW- Most people who have it good in life, sacrificed a lot to get there. Why not require that of others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Sportsnut said: How do you know what their life consist of? Circumstances unlike your own. Think man, think. These are not my circumstances. I am throwing out well known options. Since you say these options are not good, TELL ME what options are good for someone like this. Clue me in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 minute ago, FolsomPrisonBlues said: @Sportsnut so you are saying that since people don't like the options and are unwilling to sacrifice, they should be given free shit? BTW- Most people who have it good in life, sacrificed a lot to get there. Why not require that of others? Im am sitting here reading the back and forth and I cant agree with you more. Another statistic....they cant even find teenagers to work a summer job....there is so much enabling going on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 @FolsomPrisonBlues I think you will find this article interesting from Time http://time.com/5280446/baby-boomer-generation-america-steve-brill/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Im am sitting here reading the back and forth and I cant agree with you more. Another statistic....they cant even find teenagers to work a summer job....there is so much enabling going on I am on your side. But I am also on the side of raising wages with inflation. Wages haven't moved since the 80s. If companies want people that bad, they have to be willing to pay. If they aren't and then complain about no workers, then it is a non starter for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Sportsnut said: I said it is better to have a safety net for those in need Correct. Those in "need." There is a difference between "need" and "I don't want to" or "I don't like my options." Those in need should only receive if they aren't PHYSICALLY able to work. Anything less won't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted May 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, FolsomPrisonBlues said: I am on your side. But I am also on the side of raising wages with inflation. Wages haven't moved since the 80s. If companies want people that bad, they have to be willing to pay. If they aren't and then complain about no workers, then it is a non starter for me. I agree with what you are saying but can wages realistically chase inflation??? For example houses go up in price all the time should wages keep increasing to chase that. Our goods and services go up all the time should our wages chase those increases. How many increases per year should our wages increase to keep up the increase of the things I have mentioned?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 18, 2018 Report Share Posted May 18, 2018 Just now, Sportsnut said: And I'm trying to tell you that you don't know their circumstances. It is well known that people would like to be rich but they know they can't. I am not saying they are not good options, they just may not be any good to any number of people due to their existing conditions. It is impossible to clue you in because you have your mind made up that the world should be like you think it should be and not accepting it for what it is. in 2018, good or decent options for GOOD paying jobs are available to EVERY SINGLE PERSON in this country. Are you saying they are not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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