Columbiafan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Goldmember said: Who are these "people who know the state"? I don't know anyone who would say that Central, Carol City and Northwestern were all top 10 teams last year. Miami Northwestern was almost unanimous top 3 in FL Miami Central was probably top 5 in state Carol City was probably as good (or slightly better) than Armwood I would like to see someone argue that there were 10 teams that without a doubt were better than those 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: ....that goes 27-3 or thereabouts almost every year prior to the start of league play Among the teams that the Little 4 schools beat in non-league play: Corona Del Mar La Mirada (2x) Cathedral Heritage Visa Murrieta Downey Loyola Mayfair Roosevelt Villa Park Garfield And some of the "name" teams they beat like Bishop Amat and Alemany stunk as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted May 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Goldmember said: Among the teams that the Little 4 schools beat in non-league play: Corona Del Mar La Mirada (2x) Cathedral Heritage Visa Murrieta Downey Loyola Mayfair Roosevelt Villa Park Garfield And some of the "name" teams they beat like Bishop Amat and Alemany stunk as well. ....and BIshop Gorman....and Bergen Catholic......and St. John's. Thought you knew your HS football better than that my man. #dissappointed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Miami Northwestern was almost unanimous top 3 in FL Miami Central was probably top 5 in state Carol City was probably as good (or slightly better) than Armwood I would like to see someone argue that there were 10 teams that without a doubt were better than those 3 What does Carol City being as good as Armwood (which is just your opinion) have to do with being a top 10 team? Carol City was 8-4 and went 1-4 vs. calpreps top 500 teams. You're the same goofball who says that 10-3 STA was an embarrassment who wasn't even top 15 but they had a better win than Carol City (SJB) and also shutout one of the teams that beat them (Deerfield Beach). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, Goldmember said: Servite was never that good to begin with. I agree. Garbage team in a great league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 I'll go class by class 1a> no one better 2a> no one better 3a> Chaminade, maybe oxbridge better than Carol City but thats a tossup but Central and MNW better than both 4a> again maybe toss up with raines over Carol City but i would have put money on Carol City in that game So through 4 classes you have 1 team probably better than Carol City and 2 toss ups 5a> AHP and cardinal gibbons so 2 Through 5 classes you got 3 better 6a> MNW and Central better than Armwood, Carol City tossup with Armwood 7a> only possible arguments could be for Venice and STA 8a> Maybe Dr Phillips but like raines in 4a i would put money on Miami big 3 So 3-5 potential teams better and a few toss ups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: ....and BIshop Gorman....and Bergen Catholic......and St. John's. Thought you knew your HS football better than that my mad. Did you read the post or did you just start feverishly typing like you usually do? I said Little 4 schools, tinkerbell. I'll give you a pass because you were probably busy trying to figure out what school to whore yourself out to in 2018. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Goldmember said: What does Carol City being as good as Armwood (which is just your opinion) have to do with being a top 10 team? Carol City was 8-4 and went 1-4 vs. calpreps top 500 teams. You're the same goofball who says that 10-3 STA was an embarrassment who wasn't even top 15 but they had a better win than Carol City (SJB) and also shutout one of the teams that beat them (Deerfield Beach). Carol City was also a team who beat Miami Southridge (44-0 or something close to that) That more than makes up for that week 1 blunder to Deerfield Beach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: I'll go class by class 1a> no one better 2a> no one better 3a> Chaminade, maybe oxbridge better than Carol City but thats a tossup but Central and MNW better than both 4a> again maybe toss up with raines over Carol City but i would have put money on Carol City in that game So through 4 classes you have 1 team probably better than Carol City and 2 toss ups 5a> AHP and cardinal gibbons so 2 Through 5 classes you got 3 better 6a> MNW and Central better than Armwood, Carol City tossup with Armwood 7a> only possible arguments could be for Venice and STA 8a> Maybe Dr Phillips but like raines in 4a i would put money on Miami big 3 So 3-5 potential teams better and a few toss ups Again, this is all just your opinion based on no facts whatsoever. You just say it and we're supposed to take your word for it. You'd make a perfectly good ECHS05. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Besides I'm talking end of the season not the beginning A lot of teams that may have been better than Carol City at the beginning regressed as the season went along Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, Goldmember said: Again, this is all just your opinion based on no facts whatsoever. You just say it and we're supposed to tale your word for it. You'd make a perfectly good ECHS05. Ain't that what any human poll is? All human polls are subjective and based on the bias of the person ranking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Carol City was also a team who beat Miami Southridge (44-0 or something close to that) That more than makes up for that week 1 blunder to Deerfield Beach Huh? So they beat a 6-4 Southridge team with no quality wins and therefore the Deerfield Beach game is forgiven? That's lunacy. You need to gain some life experience before you start engaging in these discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FolsomPrisonBlues Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Top 20 Leagues nationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, Goldmember said: What does Carol City being as good as Armwood (which is just your opinion) have to do with being a top 10 team? Carol City was 8-4 and went 1-4 vs. calpreps top 500 teams. You're the same goofball who says that 10-3 STA was an embarrassment who wasn't even top 15 but they had a better win than Carol City (SJB) and also shutout one of the teams that beat them (Deerfield Beach). Because most polls have Armwood top 10 in FL so if you are at the same level or better than a team already in the top 10 wouldn't it make sense that the team in question would be ranked top 10? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Besides I'm talking end of the season not the beginning A lot of teams that may have been better than Carol City at the beginning regressed as the season went along Carol City's 8 wins: Dr. Krop (4-6) Hialeah-Miami Lakes (1-8) Norland (5-4) Southridge (6-4) Booker T. Washington (4-5) American (3-4-1) Dillard (6-5) Mainland (7-4) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Ain't that what any human poll is? All human polls are subjective and based on the bias of the person ranking The people who put together those human polls could likely defend their choices with facts and evidence. You can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Columbiafan said: Because most polls have Armwood top 10 in FL so if you are at the same level or better than a team already in the top 10 wouldn't it make sense that the team in question would be ranked top 10? You're just saying that Carol City is at Armwood's level without a single scintilla of evidence or argument. We're just supposed to believe you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, Goldmember said: Huh? So they beat a 6-4 Southridge team with no quality wins and therefore the Deerfield Beach game is forgiven? That's lunacy. You need to gain some life experience before you start engaging in these discussions. They didn't just beat Southridge They demolished them And Deerfield Beach wasn't that special either, outside of their slim victory over Carol City in week 1 did they even beat any good teams Not to mention deerfield Beach also got embarrassed up in New Jersey and looked like they didn't even belong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: They didn't just beat Southridge They demolished them Who cares? That's what a competent team should do. They don't get extra credit for doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, Goldmember said: You're just saying that Carol City is at Armwood's level without a single scintilla of evidence or argument. We're just supposed to believe you. We can start with one carol City plays much better competition and teams then armwood ever sees We can also point to what has happened lately whenever armwood goes up against a south Florida team and i can then make a argument that armwood can't beat a South Florida team with a pulse because the only good teams they play are plant and Tampa Bay Tech and as a result they will be starstruck playing a SFL team which has more speed than anyone they face because armwood is used to playing slow North FL teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 Just now, Columbiafan said: We can start with one carol City plays much better competition and teams then armwood ever sees Carol City plays better competition and lost every game against that better competition. Carol City was 0-2 vs. Northwestern and Armwood was 0-1. So you haven't made a single point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, Goldmember said: Carol City's 8 wins: Dr. Krop (4-6) Hialeah-Miami Lakes (1-8) Norland (5-4) Southridge (6-4) Booker T. Washington (4-5) American (3-4-1) Dillard (6-5) Mainland (7-4) Ok so their wins not super impressive How many could you reasonably see beating them at the end of last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, Goldmember said: The people who put together those human polls could likely defend their choices with facts and evidence. You can't. These polls usually put someone Armwood top 3 in 6a every year (or even top spot some years) They may point to roster and call it evidence but I rather look at the fact that they will never play enough good teams in Tampa area to be battle tested When plant and Tampa Bay Tech are the only 2 good teams you play in regular season, good luck being ready for the best 6a team in south Florida in the finals Neither of those teams have the overall team speed (specifically on defense) that these sfl teams usually have Reason a team like Baker County got their ass kicked at states by AHP, Baker County is a slow North FL team, they had not faced the kind of speed on AHP and they didn't have the players to defend it Not to mention AHP was also far better than anyone they had ever played during the season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 54 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Ok so their wins not super impressive How many could you reasonably see beating them at the end of last season? Again, you are just asking people to give opinions based on nothing. I don't believe you have the ability to do this. Unless you have a good reason why Carol City was a top 10 team then just don't say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coletrain06 Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 I wouldn't expect too much out of the GCL this year. They all should be solid, but don't think any of them should be exceptional Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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