noonereal Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, LiberalDonaldTrump said: They got a big fan base. That’s it ... Silly Nor thought that these pollsters used common sense Bwhahahahaha 😂 they use common bias. makes them feel warm and fuzzy as they dolt it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalDonaldTrump Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, LiberalDonaldTrump said: They got a big fan base. That’s it ... Silly Nor thought that these pollsters used common sense Bwhahahahaha 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, StingMan44 said: I’m not knocking any of those teams. Just don’t tout a poll as no nonsense and then rank teams nonsensically!!!! My poll is fluid. It’ll probably change again before it’s finalized. Have you ever put out a poll? Based on your critique of mine, I doubt that you have. Sometimes I might take another look at a team and feel I rated them too high or low the previous week. Cen10 May jump all three after this weekend. Have patience young grasshopper. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 32 minutes ago, noonereal said: they use common bias. makes them feel warm and fuzzy as they dolt it up. I’m still waiting to feel all warm and fuzzy when I see your poll. Oh wait, you don’t have the nutsack to put one out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StingMan44 Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said: My poll is fluid. It’ll probably change again before it’s finalized. Have you ever put out a poll? Based on your critique of mine, I doubt that you have. Sometimes I might take another look at a team and feel I rated them too high or low the previous week. Cen10 May jump all three after this weekend. Have patience young grasshopper. No I haven’t. As somewhat of a perfectionist, I don’t feel I have the time to be knowledgeable on football in that many states and therefore make a poll that would be up to my high standards. I can tell you that if I ever did, I wouldnt have teams swap rankings based on nothing (no games for those teams or their opponents). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Omaha Vol said: My poll is fluid. It’ll probably change again before it’s finalized. Have you ever put out a poll? Based on your critique of mine, I doubt that you have. Sometimes I might take another look at a team and feel I rated them too high or low the previous week. Cen10 May jump all three after this weekend. Have patience young grasshopper. With all due respect if you're not willing to put in the leg work to create a proper poll (which isn't even the correct word for what this is as a poll by nature is a collection of multiple opinions, not one person's thoughts) then what's the point? How many Centennial games have you watched (full games, not highlights)? How many Chandler games have you watched (once again, full games)? If you're not watching every team you rank (and every team you consider for ranking) a bare minimum of 4-5 times, then you're doing nothing more than guessing at best and at worst are flirting with plagiarizing the work of others (Calpreps, USA Today, etc). If you're going to take the time to do something make sure you make every effort to do it right. That's not achieved by relying heavily on other people's work or making judgment calls based on perception. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wooderson said: plagiarizing the work of others Whoa! Easy with that statement. However, you are correct about me not watching entire games. I’m guilty of watching highlights and clips. I will watch an entire game of some of my higher ranked teams, along with, occasionally watching a middle-tier team. This isn’t a full time job so, of course, I can’t watch EVERY team. This an opinion poll from a single person. Take it with a grain of salt. For people that bash polls, though, they need to put out their own for me to take their critiques seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodchopper Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 39 minutes ago, Wooderson said: With all due respect if you're not willing to put in the leg work to create a proper poll (which isn't even the correct word for what this is as a poll by nature is a collection of multiple opinions, not one person's thoughts) then what's the point? How many Centennial games have you watched (full games, not highlights)? How many Chandler games have you watched (once again, full games)? If you're not watching every team you rank (and every team you consider for ranking) a bare minimum of 4-5 times, then you're doing nothing more than guessing at best and at worst are flirting with plagiarizing the work of others (Calpreps, USA Today, etc). If you're going to take the time to do something make sure you make every effort to do it right. That's not achieved by relying heavily on other people's work or making judgment calls based on perception. Yea because all those other pollsters watch all the games.💩 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 23 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said: Whoa! Easy with that statement. However, you are correct about me not watching entire games. I’m guilty of watching highlights and clips. I will watch an entire game of some of my higher ranked teams, along with, occasionally watching a middle-tier team. This isn’t a full time job so, of course, I can’t watch EVERY team. This an opinion poll from a single person. Take it with a grain of salt. For people that bash polls, though, they need to put out their own for me to take their critiques seriously. Do you understand how much of a ninny that makes you? You're rejecting the opinions of others not because of any earned knowledge another might have, but because others approach this from a more humble perspective and would rather refrain from sharing less than educated opinions. All you're doing is regurgitating what others have shared with subtle edits that still keep the original message 95% in tact. How does that entitle you dismiss the opinions of others, especially when your research is lacking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Woodchopper said: Yea because all those other pollsters watch all the games.💩 I know they don't-if they did there wouldn't be a poll out there were with Chandler ranked ahead of Centennial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 10 hours ago, Wooderson said: Do you understand how much of a ninny that makes you? You're rejecting the opinions of others not because of any earned knowledge another might have, but because others approach this from a more humble perspective and would rather refrain from sharing less than educated opinions. So, am I to understand that going back and reviewing a few more clips of some different teams to, perhaps, come up with a different opinion, is foolish? I value a lot of people’s opinions, especially yours when it comes to Arizona. I have to say, though, that I am beginning to have doubts about your judgement now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooderson Posted December 19, 2018 Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said: So, am I to understand that going back and reviewing a few more clips of some different teams to, perhaps, come up with a different opinion, is foolish? I value a lot of people’s opinions, especially yours when it comes to Arizona. I have to say, though, that I am beginning to have doubts about your judgement now. No, it's foolish to dismiss the opinions of others based on nothing more than the fact that they decide not to create their own national rankings. It also makes me question the motivation behind creating rankings like this-are you interested in actually discussing the methodology and rationale behind your opinions, or are you looking to have others validate those opinions? It's hard to believe it's the former when dissenting opinions are shouted down for shallow, petty reasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Wooderson said: No, it's foolish to dismiss the opinions of others based on nothing more than the fact that they decide not to create their own national rankings. It also makes me question the motivation behind creating rankings like this-are you interested in actually discussing the methodology and rationale behind your opinions, or are you looking to have others validate those opinions? It's hard to believe it's the former when dissenting opinions are shouted down for shallow, petty reasons. Okay, you got me. I’m such an egomaniac that I completely disregard any and all opinions that don’t agree with me, especially the one’s that come from individuals that reside (or grew up in) a state that I have never been to. 🤣 Of course, I am being facetious. Your write ups about Arizona teams have swayed my poll many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalDonaldTrump Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 On 12/19/2018 at 5:16 PM, Omaha Vol said: Okay, you got me. I’m such an egomaniac that I completely disregard any and all opinions that don’t agree with me, especially the one’s that come from individuals that reside (or grew up in) a state that I have never been to. 🤣 Of course, I am being facetious. Your write ups about Arizona teams have swayed my poll many times. Bwhahahahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted December 23, 2018 Report Share Posted December 23, 2018 On 12/19/2018 at 9:23 AM, Wooderson said: No, it's foolish to dismiss the opinions of others based on nothing more than the fact that they decide not to create their own national rankings. It also makes me question the motivation behind creating rankings like this-are you interested in actually discussing the methodology and rationale behind your opinions, or are you looking to have others validate those opinions? It's hard to believe it's the former when dissenting opinions are shouted down for shallow, petty reasons. Your “opinions” will need to improve quite a bit. Until then you are on “ Opinion Probation” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 On 12/18/2018 at 2:14 AM, Omaha Vol said: 1. Santa Ana,CA Mater Dei 2. Bellflower,CA St. John Bosco 3. Bradenton,FL IMG 4. Houston,TX N. Shore 5. Duncanville,TX 6. Concord,CA De LaSalle 7. Baltimore,MD St. Frances 8. Irmo,SC Dutch Fork 9. Lakeland,FL 10. Allen,TX 11. Washington,DC St. John's 12. Philadelphia,PA St. Joseph's 13. Corona,CA Centennial 14. Indianapolis,IN Warren Central 15. Miami,FL Central 15. Miami,FL Carol City 17. Honolulu,HI St. Louis 18. Longview,TX 19. Ft. Lauderdale,FL Aquinas 20. River Ridge,LA Curtis 21. Baton Rouge,LA University Lab 22. Akron,OH Hoban 23. Folsom,CA 24. Broken Arrow,OK 25. Phenix City,AL Central 26. Chandler,AZ 27. St. Louis,MO Christian Bros. 28. Leesburg,GA Lee Co. 29. Lakewood,OH St. Edward 30. Horn Lake,MS 31. Katy,TX 32. Montvale,NJ St. Joseph 33. Milton,GA 34. Moultrie,GA Colquitt Co. 35. Peoria,AZ Centennial 36. New Orleans,LA Karr 37. Westlake Village,CA Oaks Chr. 38. San Juan Capistrano,CA JSerra 39. Cincinnati,OH Colerain 40. Murfreesboro,TN Oakland 41. Washington,DC Gonzaga 42. Hyattsville,MD DeMatha 43. Las Vegas,NV Gorman 44. Dallas,TX Highland Park 45. Draper,UT Corner Canyon 46. San Diego,CA Cathedral 47. Oradell,NJ Bergen Catholic 48. Mission Viejo,CA 49. Mentor,OH 50. Southlake,TX Carroll Just missed: Aledo,TX Jenks,OK Clinton Township,MI Chippewa Valley Zachary,LA W. Monroe,LA Ft. Lauderdale,FL Gibbons Jacksonville,FL Mandarin Lawrenceville,GA Archer Wake Forest,NC Anderson,SC Hanna Great job OV! think you put out a great poll — I think you use a great combination of a) using CP or something similar as a base for the facts/ initial placement, b) making appropriate adjustments for knowing backstories of results, and c) are enough of a tape junky to opine on most of the the teams that are top 50 contenders i like Lakeland in top 10 — not sure if they’ll be in many and didn’t have sos to get there in algorithms ut they didn’t lose and had a credible win for that placement I’d have Folsom over CC but could buy your way id have CQ as the #1 team in GA in a national poll (although you’d have to put them behind Milton and maybe lee in state poll) but get and don’t argue you’re recognizing championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 41 minutes ago, Pops said: Great job OV! think you put out a great poll — I think you use a great combination of a) using CP or something similar as a base for the facts/ initial placement, b) making appropriate adjustments for knowing backstories of results, and c) are enough of a tape junky to opine on most of the the teams that are top 50 contenders Thanks. That’s all I can do. It’s hard to go to some of these games since I live in Nebraska. I try to watch as many recorded or streamed games as I can, but I work too much. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhit1 Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Omaha Vol said: Thanks. That’s all I can do. It’s hard to go to some of these games since I live in Nebraska. I try to watch as many recorded or streamed games as I can, but I work too much. Lol You know me and I know you i think you are selling OH a bit low but other than good job 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 35 minutes ago, hardhit1 said: You know me and I know you i think you are selling OH a bit low but other than good job 😀 I have both Hoban and St. Ed in the top 30, with Colerain not too far behind. You feel all three should be higher, or maybe just St. Ed higher? I'm compiling my final top 100 (with regional rankings as well) as we speak. Ohio will be well represented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhit1 Posted December 24, 2018 Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 9 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said: I have both Hoban and St. Ed in the top 30, with Colerain not too far behind. You feel all three should be higher, or maybe just St. Ed higher? I'm compiling my final top 100 (with regional rankings as well) as we speak. Ohio will be well represented. All 3 should be higher in your poll AH is a top 10-15 team the rest is your poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2018 23 hours ago, LiberalDonaldTrump said: Bwhahahahahahaha It looks like the only one I really missed badly was Lake Travis. I tried to find the first poll you put out, but I am having trouble locating it. When did you put it out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohio Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 On 12/18/2018 at 4:14 AM, Omaha Vol said: 1. Santa Ana,CA Mater Dei 2. Bellflower,CA St. John Bosco 3. Bradenton,FL IMG 4. Houston,TX N. Shore 5. Duncanville,TX 6. Concord,CA De LaSalle 7. Baltimore,MD St. Frances 8. Irmo,SC Dutch Fork 9. Lakeland,FL 10. Allen,TX 11. Washington,DC St. John's 12. Philadelphia,PA St. Joseph's 13. Corona,CA Centennial 14. Indianapolis,IN Warren Central 15. Miami,FL Central 15. Miami,FL Carol City 17. Honolulu,HI St. Louis 18. Longview,TX 19. Ft. Lauderdale,FL Aquinas 20. River Ridge,LA Curtis 21. Baton Rouge,LA University Lab 22. Akron,OH Hoban 23. Folsom,CA 24. Broken Arrow,OK 25. Phenix City,AL Central 26. Chandler,AZ 27. St. Louis,MO Christian Bros. 28. Leesburg,GA Lee Co. 29. Lakewood,OH St. Edward 30. Horn Lake,MS 31. Katy,TX 32. Montvale,NJ St. Joseph 33. Milton,GA 34. Moultrie,GA Colquitt Co. 35. Peoria,AZ Centennial 36. New Orleans,LA Karr 37. Westlake Village,CA Oaks Chr. 38. San Juan Capistrano,CA JSerra 39. Cincinnati,OH Colerain 40. Murfreesboro,TN Oakland 41. Washington,DC Gonzaga 42. Hyattsville,MD DeMatha 43. Las Vegas,NV Gorman 44. Dallas,TX Highland Park 45. Draper,UT Corner Canyon 46. San Diego,CA Cathedral 47. Oradell,NJ Bergen Catholic 48. Mission Viejo,CA 49. Mentor,OH 50. Southlake,TX Carroll Just missed: Aledo,TX Jenks,OK Clinton Township,MI Chippewa Valley Zachary,LA W. Monroe,LA Ft. Lauderdale,FL Gibbons Jacksonville,FL Mandarin Lawrenceville,GA Archer Wake Forest,NC Anderson,SC Hanna Looks like you put a lot of time and effort in compiling this list. Thanks for making it. The only suggestion that I may make, if you don't mind, is to include a team from Michigan and/or Illinois, as they have big populations and teams that could compete with some of the ones on your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 3 hours ago, ohio said: Looks like you put a lot of time and effort in compiling this list. Thanks for making it. The only suggestion that I may make, if you don't mind, is to include a team from Michigan and/or Illinois, as they have big populations and teams that could compete with some of the ones on your list. Well, I did have Chippewa Valley (MI) at #53. I am compiling an end of the year top 100 this week. There will definitely be two (maybe 3) IL teams and 1 more MI team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalDonaldTrump Posted December 25, 2018 Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 On 12/24/2018 at 7:31 AM, Omaha Vol said: It looks like the only one I really missed badly was Lake Travis. I tried to find the first poll you put out, but I am having trouble locating it. When did you put it out? Don’t worry about it worry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaha Vol Posted December 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2018 6 hours ago, LiberalDonaldTrump said: Don’t worry about it worry Trust me, I won’t lose a second of sleep worrying about you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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