Nolebull813 Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 Damn sure wouldn’t be a Democrat!!! he would vehemently oppose abortion. He would be ardently opposed to gay marriage and transgender nonsense. he would be completely against open borders, knowing that mass illegal immigration has a devastating impact on black communities. he would hate Joe Biden because Biden was best friends with a Grand Wizard in the KKK and probably was in Kings neighborhoods burning churches and crosses. Biden was probably there too with his eternal brother Robert Byrd Democrats would have long cancelled him off Twitter. They would have been disgusted that he dreamed of a meritocracy and the fact that he yearned for his children to be judged not on their (critical) race, but the content of their character. He just wanted to make sure they had an equal shot, but knew you had to earn what you got. King would have been mortified from the rioting, looting and burning in the summer of 2020 by left wing radicals. He would have of cried out, “No!!!! This is the opposite of what I’m preaching!!!!” Almost everything thing you can find about Dr King and what he stood for would stand in direct opposition to today’s Democratic Party. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 Republican posturing on MLK is one of my favorite yearly exercises in dishonesty. Not to mention when it's taken up by idiots and clowns like Nolebull813. Forget the fact that conservatives of his day absolutely despised King. This isn't an issue up for debate. The Republican Party was unified in it's opposition to King and everything he stood for. Even today, they post pandering tweets about King while opposing voting rights legislation and practically every other measure that he would've supported. William F. Buckley, who was the preeminent conservative of his day, hated King. Full stop. His op-eds during King's life were some of the most openly racist and lawless columns ever printed. There's no doubt that Buckley and practically every other conservative of his day thought that King was one of the most dangerous people in America and had to be stopped no matter what. In a far more conservative country than we live in today, his approval rating was 25% at the time of his death. When Martin Luther King Jr. was killed, he was less popular than Donald Trump is today I can assure you that those 25% were not conservatives. The ignorance of history and blatant posting of falsehoods for the sake of pushing an agenda is disgraceful. But it's not unexpected. It's basically the MO for every right-of-center on this forum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Republican posturing on MLK is one of my favorite yearly exercises in dishonesty. Not to mention when it's taken up by idiots and clowns like Nolebull813. Forget the fact that conservatives of his day absolutely despised King. This isn't an issue up for debate. The Republican Party was unified in it's opposition to King and everything he stood for. Even today, they post pandering tweets about King while opposing voting rights legislation and practically every other measure that he would've supported. William F. Buckley, who was the preeminent conservative of his day, hated King. Full stop. His op-eds during King's life were some of the most openly racist and lawless columns ever printed. There's no doubt that Buckley and practically every other conservative of his day thought that King was one of the most dangerous people in America and had to be stopped no matter what. In a far more conservative country than we live in today, his approval rating was 25% at the time of his death. When Martin Luther King Jr. was killed, he was less popular than Donald Trump is today I can assure you that those 25% were not conservatives. The ignorance of history and blatant posting of falsehoods for the sake of pushing an agenda is disgraceful. But it's not unexpected. It's basically the MO for every right-of-center on this forum. None of that was even a scintilla of info that would be described as “on topic” I said if we’re alive today, he would be cancelled because he was so opposed to everything Democrats stand for today. King wasn’t political and didn’t care for either party. And what voting rights garbage are you talking about? Who can’t vote and why can’t they vote? Who tried to vote in the election but just couldn’t make it happen? I’m sure Democrats would be all over it. It would be on CNN, interviewing people who have no identification card, no internet access, and no transportation. Bullshit. King’s belief THEN, are in direct opposition of what Democrats stand for NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 Too funny that people try an conflate Republicans/Conservatives to the ones from decades ago, but are oddly silent when people bring up the fact that Democrats founded the KKK, and killed a Republican President for ending slavery. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted January 18, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 And if you think King would have been opposed to needing an ID card to vote your are fucking stupid. He believed in hard work and meritocracy. He believed in equal chance. He would have been offended that Democrats think minorities are too poor and stupid to obtain an ID card. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 26 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: None of that was even a scintilla of info that would be described as “on topic” People like you lying about who King would be or what his legacy was is, indeed, on topic. You would have absolutely hated King if you were alive during his life. You would've called him a communist agitator, a terrorist, a race-baiter, etc. The only civil rights leaders that conservatives like are dead ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: I said if we’re alive today, he would be cancelled because he was so opposed to everything Democrats stand for today. This is laughably untrue as even the most cursory look at history would attest. This requires reading a book or something, Nolebull813. Something we know that you'll never do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: King wasn’t political and didn’t care for either party. 😄 The civil rights movement was the most important political issue of it's time. Even back then, when they were actually permitted to vote, African-American were voting for the Democratic Party at an 80% plus rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: . And what voting rights garbage are you talking about? Who can’t vote and why can’t they vote? Who tried to vote in the election but just couldn’t make it happen? I’m sure Democrats would be all over it. It would be on CNN, interviewing people who have no identification card, no internet access, and no transportation. Bullshit. You have watched literally zero real news for a long, long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 23 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Too funny that people try an conflate Republicans/Conservatives to the ones from decades ago, but are oddly silent when people bring up the fact that Democrats founded the KKK, and killed a Republican President for ending slavery. Because the 1960s were during the lifetime's of people still living today. We know perfectly well what the political divides are today and how they translate to then. There has not been a significant shift of political ideology of the parties since before the Depression. This is simply a fact of history. It shouldn't be a mystery to you why the vast majority of segregationist Democrats left for the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Act. Strom Thurmond was a Democrat until 1964. Then became a Republican. Hmm. I wonder why? The Civil War era is even easier given that the Democratic Party was the party of secession and was dominant in the South by running on a platform of states' rights and small government. What party does that sound like today? Freeing the slaves was about as liberal as any idea in American history. It's funny watching people like Nolebull813 be completely ignorant of history and just conveniently adopt ideas that he would've vehemently opposed if the had lived in those times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: And if you think King would have been opposed to needing an ID card to vote your are fucking stupid. Again, this is not the issue regarding current voting rights laws that Republicans are opposing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: He believed in hard work and meritocracy. Again, it's hilarious watching you just make stuff up. King was a loyal Union activist who supported labor strikes, hung out with socialists, organized protests and marches. He basically did everything that Republicans today hate. Which makes sense since Republicans back then hated him. All of this makes sense if you actually know what you're talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 19 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Republican posturing on MLK is one of my favorite yearly exercises in dishonesty. Not to mention when it's taken up by idiots and clowns like Nolebull813. Forget the fact that conservatives of his day absolutely despised King. This isn't an issue up for debate. The Republican Party was unified in it's opposition to King and everything he stood for. [You do realize that it was Democrats who ran the South in those days? Folks like President Brandon's pal George Wallace?] Even today, they post pandering tweets about King while opposing voting rights legislation and practically every other measure that he would've supported. [Republicans voted for the civil rights acts of 1957 and 1960 and 1964 in greater percentages than Democrats] William F. Buckley, who was the preeminent conservative of his day, hated King. Full stop. His op-eds during King's life were some of the most openly racist and lawless columns ever printed. [And Democrats of the day just looooooooved them some MLK, right? 🤡 ] There's no doubt that Buckley and practically every other conservative of his day thought that King was one of the most dangerous people in America and had to be stopped no matter what. In a far more conservative country than we live in today, his approval rating was 25% at the time of his death. When Martin Luther King Jr. was killed, he was less popular than Donald Trump is today I can assure you that those 25% were not conservatives. The ignorance of history and blatant posting of falsehoods for the sake of pushing an agenda is disgraceful. But it's not unexpected. It's basically the MO for every right-of-center on this forum. .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, concha said: [You do realize that it was Democrats who ran the South in those days? Folks like President Brandon's pal George Wallace?] George Wallace, who also left the Democratic Party. But nobody is denying that the Democratic Party had racists and segregationists. The claim is that those people and their political descendants are now Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, concha said: [Republicans voted for the civil rights acts of 1957 and 1960 and 1964 in greater percentages than Democrats] And the vast majority of those Democrats became Republicans. The defining factor in that vote was North/South. Zero Southern Republicans voted for it. A scattering of Southern Democrats did. The important point is that after that vote, the no's became Republicans. What political party ruled the red states after this vote for the foreseeable future? This is simply a fact of history and concha hates it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, concha said: [And Democrats of the day just looooooooved them some MLK, right? The *liberals* did which is the important distinction. All of King's allies were left of center. I love me some non-denial, denials. This is an exceptionally weak response from you. Just pitiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 Is there any doubt at all that concha would've called King a race-baiter and hustler and that Nolebull813 would've turned the hoses on him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: George Wallace, who also left the Democratic Party. But nobody is denying that the Democratic Party had racists and segregationists. The claim is that those people and their political descendants are Republicans today. 🤡 Wallace left the party only briefly in 1968. He was running for office - as a Democrat - as late as the 1980s and until he left politics. And "claim". The wording is noted. The fact is that Republicans did not gain control of a majority of the South politically until the 1990s. For those keeping score, that's three to four decades after the civil rights acts were passed and all the racist Southern Dems supposedly switched parties. Fun fact: When the Klan was Democrat, membership numbered quite literally in the millions. Now that they are supposedly Republicans? Well, per the Ant-Defamation League, there are about 3,000 members nationwide. You're welcome, everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 34 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: And the vast majority of those Democrats became Republicans. The important point is that after that vote, the no's became Republicans. What political party ruled the red states after this vote for the foreseeable future? This is simply a fact of history and concha hates it. Wrong. 🤣 Republicans did not become politically dominant in the South until the 1990s. And very few Democrat politicians of the civil rights act days actually switched parties. The change was gradual and not based on racial issues. Look at 1964 House election results: Now 1974 (Still overwhelmingly blue. TEN years on and where are all the Southern racists who ran to the Republicans?): Now 1984. Still lotsa blue...: 1994. THIRTY years on and finally seeing red competing: 2004: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, concha said: Wallace left the party only briefly in 1968. He was running for office - as a Democrat - as late as the 1980s and until he left politics. You're debating yourself on tedium since nobody made the claim that you're trying to prosecute. Again, I cease to be amazed at concha's willingness to argue losing battles on nitpicky points because he can't accept reality. A truly delusional person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, concha said: The fact is that Republicans did not gain control of a majority of the South politically until the 1990s. 1972 1984 1988 2000 2004 The Democratic Party didn't win a single Southern state where a Southerner wasn't on their ticket from 1972 until Obama in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 22 minutes ago, concha said: Fun fact: When the Klan was Democrat, membership numbered quite literally in the millions. Now that they are supposedly Republicans? Well, per the Ant-Defamation League, there are about 3,000 members nationwide. You're welcome, everyone. The Klan was always conservative and if reconstituted would certainly be made-up of Republicans or their voters entirely. Which is the point that you will dodge for the rest of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: You're debating yourself on tedium since nobody made the claim that you're trying to prosecute. Again, I cease to be amazed at concha's willingness to argue losing battles on nitpicky points because he can't accept reality. A truly delusional person. The above is pure pablum because Andy knows he just got his ass handed to him. He tried to make it look like Wallace left the Dem Party for good - in line with his bullshit claim that Dems all switched to Republicans right after the civil rights acts were passed and took over the South. A proven lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, concha said: Wrong. It changed practically over night. Again, a statement of fact that makes concha unconformable. 1964 - Democrats still win many southern states 1968 - Wallace splits the vote, Democrats only win Johnson's home state 1972 - Democrats practically never win again except if a Southernern is on the ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: 1972 1980 1984 1988 The Democratic Party didn't win a single Southern state where a Southerner wasn't on their ticket from 1972 until Obama in 2008. 🤣 So having had his ass handed to him using Congressional voting data (the folks who actually voted for the civil rights acts), Andy tries to use presidential voting in elections where the Dem basically got obliterated pretty much EVERYWHERE. Explain the House election data Andy! You claimed all the racist guys switched to Republicans and took over the South from the 60s on. 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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