Troll Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 crazy quote...huh... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan in daytona Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 12 hours ago, Troll said: crazy quote...huh... Right on Brother......and Troll opened that can of worms again : Science and Technology (VACCINES), Ignorance and Power (ANTI-VAXXERS and FREEDOM OF CHOICE) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan in daytona Posted August 21, 2022 Report Share Posted August 21, 2022 (SUB)CULTURE Polio Is Making a Comeback. Thanks, Anti-Vaxxers! If it seems like infectious diseases are coming at us faster, spreading more widely and persisting longer than they have in generations, it’s because they are, health experts say. BY DAVID AXE AUGUST 16, 2022 Children lining up to receive polio shots. CARL IWASAKI/GETTY IMAGES EARLIER THIS MONTH, poliovirus was discovered in wastewater in counties outside New York City late last month, signaling the first domestic outbreak since the 1970s of that potentially deadly and crippling virus. Covid. Monkey Pox. Now polio. If it seems like infectious diseases are coming at us faster, spreading more widely and persisting longer than they have in generations—well, it’s because they are, health experts say, largely because one thing that we can do to reliably prevent an outbreak of infectious disease—get vaccinated—is the one thing millions of people in the United States and across the developed world are failing to do. For the first time since the early 1990s, life-expectancy is actually dropping for many groups in the U.S. A fifth of Americans have refused the Covid vaccines for themselves or their children, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. And just 65 percent of residents of some counties outside New York City—Orange and Rockland Countries, for instance—are vaccinated for polio, compared to a nationwide average of 80 percent. It should come as no surprise that when polio reappeared in the United States last month—the first U.S. outbreak since 1979—the first diagnosed case was from Rockland. We’re time-traveling, in a sense, returning to that dark time before vaccines. “The extent to which people are currently rejecting scientific findings, and expertise of all kinds, is scary,” said Mary Fissell, an historian of medicine at Johns Hopkins University. RELATED White House to Establish Office on Long Covid Joe Biden Tests Positive for 'Rebound' Covid-19, Reenters Isolation How the FDA and CDC Are Failing Us on BA.5, the Worst Covid Variant Yet And it’s safe to say most people have no idea how bad things could get if we continue along this path. “It used to be a lot worse!” Fissell said. The developed world’s success in preventing disease seeded a kind of complacency—or worse, conspiratorial thinking—as whole generations just assumed those diseases would never, or could never, return. Misinformation on social media has made that problem worse, with many of the most strident anti-vaxxers actually blaming vaccines for the very diseases the vaccines prevent. We as a species seem to have forgotten just how dangerous and frightening the world was before vaccines. “What is new now is that a couple of generations of American children have lived largely without risk of dying from infectious disease, or even getting gravely ill,” Fissell said. “Polio was probably the last big killer, and the generation that experienced that as children is now elderly.” It was only in the 19th and 20th centuries, with their rapid advancements in public health, communication and—most importantly—vaccines, that we managed to consistently prevent, contain or even eradicate diseases like smallpox or polio, that, in previous centuries, could kill millions. The Black Death, a form of bubonic plague spread by fleas and person-to-person contact, killed hundreds of millions of people in Europe and North Africa—as much as half of the population—in the 1340s and ‘50s. There were no antibiotics and no vaccines. “When someone got sick, there was not a whole lot you could do,” said John Aberth, an historian and author of The Black Death: A New History of the Great Mortality in Europe, 1347-1500. Desperate to slow the disease’s spread, local authorities would board up infected people in their homes for 40 days, a practice that gave us the term “quarantine.” (“Quarante” is French for “40.”) If you were lucky and well-liked, your friends and neighbors would slide food into your boarded-up house. If you weren’t lucky or well-liked, you’d go hungry. For centuries, quarantine was humanity’s main defense against infectious disease. It was, at best, a stopgap, just like it was during those months of widespread social-distancing early in the Covid pandemic. But quarantining is unpopular and hard to enforce whether it’s the 14th century or the 21st. Note the latest Covid guidance from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which no longer recommends people isolate themselves after exposure to Covid. Keeping infected people in their homes didn’t end the Covid pandemic—and it didn’t prevent death on a massive scale 700 years ago. Back when quarantine was the only means of prevention, infectious diseases were an ever-present danger—especially for kids. “Two or three hundred years ago, children under five died every summer from diarrheal diseases contracted from milk or water that harbored bacteria,” Fissell explained. “Epidemic diseases like smallpox and cholera—and centuries before that, plague—swept through communities, and everyday infectious diseases like whooping cough all took a constant toll.” Then in 1798, British physician Edward Jenner invented the first vaccine—for smallpox. Slowly but steadily over the next 150 years, scientists developed more vaccines, and public-health authorities administered them to more and more people. Jabs for smallpox, plague, tetanus, measles, polio and other diseases made those diseases much rarer and outbreaks of them more easily-containable—or even globally eradicated them, in the case of smallpox. “We have over the past century or more—really since the 1860s—built up a set of institutions and cultures in public health that protect us from the worst that nature has to offer,” said John Brooke, a health historian at Ohio State University. In the 1970s, humanity entered a new era of public health, most dramatically signaled by the eradication of smallpox in 1980. “The combination of vaccines and antibiotics has made life much much safer, as has basic public health infrastructure like sanitation,” Fissell said. But the ‘70s is also when anti-vaccine attitudes hardened. In 1976, a U.S. government effort to vaccinate all Americans against swine flu collapsed amid protests by a vocal minority. “That’s when vaccine-skepticism first rears its head,” Aberth said. The swine-flu debacle came around 25 years after widespread childhood vaccination all but eradicated polio, a virus that spreads through fecal contamination and can cause paralysis or death. A generation later, people began to forget how devastating that disease—and other diseases subject to vaccination—had been. Outbreaks could get a lot worse before they get better. Many of the worst infectious diseases are “zoonotic,” meaning they permanently circulate in animal populations and periodically jump to human beings. Accelerating deforestation and a rampant illicit trade in wild-caught animals for meat, false medicine and pets gives zoonotic viruses such as the novel-coronavirus and monkeypox more opportunities to infect people. And declining vaccination rates make these outbreaks bigger, Aberth said. “Vaccination is the only answer to containing these emerging pandemics. We need to get a handle on vaccine-skepticism or make vaccines mandatory.” But he acknowledged that new mandates are politically unfeasible in countries he described as “divided.” Global disaster isn’t inevitable, Brooke stressed. “Will frantic obsessions with the costs of government and personal freedoms lead to a collapse of the public health bubble that protects us from nature?” he asked. “Let’s hope not.” Most people are still willing, even eager, to get vaccinated against the worst diseases, Brooke pointed out. “Anti-vax culture is a growing reality, but we should not let the journalistic mantra to give ‘both sides equal time’ obscure the weight of public opinion.” But the trends—fewer vaccinations, more infectious diseases—aren’t encouraging. They point back to that time before vaccines, when we got sick more often, died younger and tried—and mostly failed—to contain viral outbreaks by locking people in their homes. “History does not repeat, but it does echo, and we should take heed,” said James Belich, a University of Oxford historian and author of The Prospect of Global History. It’s going to take hard work to bend the arc of history back in the direction of longer, healthier lives. Back, in other words, toward widespread vaccination. “Understanding why people reject vaccines, for example, is complex,” Fissell conceded. “It draws upon politics and religious beliefs and a host of other factors.” There’s no single thing anyone can do to fix our pandemic problems overnight. But there are lots of things everyone can do to help. Trust experts. Don’t spread fake news. And, most importantly, get vaccinated—and encourage friends and family to get vaccinated, too. 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Troll Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 57 minutes ago, dan in daytona said: Right on Brother......and Troll opened that can of worms again : Science and Technology (VACCINES), Ignorance and Power (ANTI-VAXXERS and FREEDOM OF CHOICE) LOLOL.... THAT's what is so crazy, about that quote... it can absolutely be entirely interpreted in two diametrically opposed fashions... PS: hard left OR hard right ....hahaha BTW: rorschach test says you left... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 37 minutes ago, dan in daytona said: Polio Is Making a Comeback. Thanks, Anti-Vaxxers Gain of Function If it seems like infectious diseases are coming at us faster, spreading more widely and persisting longer than they have in generations, it’s because they are, health gain of function experts say. and for this post.... FIFY LOL From the NIH " Here we present evidence of extensive parallel substitution and recombination events occurring in repeated epidemics of vaccine-derived polioviruses, where the ancestral sequence is a known entity with the defined sequence of the vaccine strain." Potential Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research - NCBI https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › books › NBK285583 Research using Gain-of-Function (GoF) techniques is no different with respect to ... evolving RNA virus such as polio, the fitness of the virus goes down. The evolutionary pathway to virulence of an RNA virus - NCBI https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › articles › PMC5787669 by A Stern · 2017 · Cited by 91 — The attenuated oral polio vaccine (OPV) has enabled world-wide ... However, it is often difficult to identify parallel gain-of-function from ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan in daytona Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 Not sure if I understand your switching of "Anti-Vaxxers" with "Gain of Function" research unless you are alluding to a virus being attacked by a vaccine and the mutated results being far deadlier than the original. If that's the point (?) , I would only say it's too early to tell and when these Covid vaccines were released to the public the world was in the middle of deadly pandemic the likes of which we hadn't seen in 100 years. All the worlds great medical and scientific communities said to "go for it." Very early results indicate it was successful compared to the alternative...doing nothing. The problem is all vaccines (TB, polio, measles, smallpox, tetanus, etc,) are now being challenged, some more than others, by an individual's right to refuse. Where the line is drawn between personal liberties vs the betterment of society is above my pay grade. Not surprisingly, I stand with the preponderance of evidence that for over two hundred years vaccines have saved millions of lives. And you don't enter my school, my hospital, my job site, my store, or my tax deferment without proof. #non-electableDan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 9 hours ago, dan in daytona said: Not sure if I understand your switching of "Anti-Vaxxers" with "Gain of Function" research unless you are alluding to a virus being attacked by a vaccine and the mutated results being far deadlier than the original. If that's the point (?) , yes exactly....(through both natural and artificial means). it's actually the REAL reason polio still exists (not anti-vaxers LOL) ...and Science calls that evolution. 9 hours ago, dan in daytona said: I would only say it's too early to tell and when these Covid vaccines were released to the public the world was in the middle of deadly pandemic the likes of which we hadn't seen in 100 years. All the worlds great medical and scientific communities said to "go for it." Very early results indicate it was successful compared to the alternative...doing nothing. When the final result is "Vaxed and Unvaxed" are to follow the "same protocols"... then Science would disagree... 9 hours ago, dan in daytona said: . The problem is all vaccines (TB, polio, measles, smallpox, tetanus, etc,) are now being challenged, some more than others, by an individual's right to refuse. Lot to unpack here...LOL But suffice it to say...Most in the medical (and other scientific fields) recognize the difference between this vaccine" (thru proactive gene therapy) and every other vaccine (which were all dead culture allergen response type). Not sure how you lost your rights (maybe just gave them up in your mind already) But what's being challenged IS the individuals "right to refuse" ...and previous vaccines have always had their critics and non-adopters. 9 hours ago, dan in daytona said: Where the line is drawn between personal liberties vs the betterment of society is above my pay grade. Not surprisingly, I stand with the preponderance of evidence that for over two hundred years vaccines have saved millions of lives. What you are actually saying here, is that you are standing on Newer Unproven Technology...... because vaccines have worked in the past. PS: While the concern for society is admirable, you can't count on that from everyone, BTW: My WHO Authorized Vaccine Passport has pages full, and I got it over 55 years ago... do you have one too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan in daytona Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Troll said: BTW: My WHO Authorized Vaccine Passport has pages full, and I got it over 55 years ago... Declining the tit for tat, I didn't believe you to be part of the problem. Have a nice day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, dan in daytona said: Declining the tit for tat, I didn't believe you to be part of the problem. Have a nice day. Thank you, there are many problems. I only seek to resolve (which requires understanding)... ...not cause any. ☮️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nolebull813 Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 You want a vaccine get it. You don’t. Don’t get it. Doesn’t take a “scientist” to realize we aren’t lab experiments. We shouldn’t have to be threatened, coerced, blackmailed, smeared or lied to into injecting our blood with something that we don’t know the long term side effects with. There should be no controversy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: You want a vaccine get it. totally understandable considering how all the T Haters just adopt and promote his greatest achievements... ...mankind's even. PS: what was said that was incorrect ? anything ? BTW: Isn't Fauxi the only guy that T DID NOT say ... ..."yer fired" to ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 13 hours ago, Troll said: it's actually the REAL reason polio still exists (not anti-vaxers LOL) Yes, oral vaccine derived polio virus. What a comforting thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted August 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 1 hour ago, On2whls said: Yes, oral vaccine derived polio virus. What a comforting thought. not so hard to read the actual science from the actual source now is it .... PS: what's actually hard is trying to read newspaper sourced, "Health Experts Say" articles... ...as they never make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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