181pl Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2023/12/06/fhsaa-classification-proposal-changes-for-florida-high-school-sports/71828298007/# 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 55 minutes ago, 181pl said: https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2023/12/06/fhsaa-classification-proposal-changes-for-florida-high-school-sports/71828298007/# Open division 8, like Zona? ✅ Approve it! *MaxPreps mention is CalPreps (Freeman Ratings) and it has to factor in sos for OOS opponent games as well. Can’t just be FL rated games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 You will see teams in the 6-10 area intentionally lose at the end to avoid the open and go play in their own comfy bracket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 NCAA should have 8 also. The 8 seed draw I saw that could have been for this season was fantastic. Remove the annual donate to a crap team to play you and open a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 23 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: You will see teams in the 6-10 area intentionally lose at the end to avoid the open and go play in their own comfy bracket Only a handful of teams would actually want to be in the Open bracket. The Maxpreps rankings that they currently use don't include margin of victory which also makes their results dubious at best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Only a handful of teams would actually want to be in the Open bracket. The Maxpreps rankings that they currently use don't include margin of victory which also makes their results dubious at best. Wonder why. Thats FHSAA choice vs Freeman I’m sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Only a handful of teams would actually want to be in the Open bracket. The Maxpreps rankings that they currently use don't include margin of victory which also makes their results dubious at best. Agreed. These are decent proposals. They just need to be worked on a little bit. for instance, Lake Mary would have no business in an open division with Saint Thomas chaminade and miami central, etc. Another way would be to have some sort of legacy division. If your usual suspects are undefeated, or maybe have one loss because they played an out of state game or somebody very highly ranked, then they should pop into that automatically. They can set the teams in advance on criteria, such as state titles won in the last five years, overall record, etc. If they have bad years, they would stay in the regular non-legacy division. If they have their usual year, they can go into the legacy or open division. And then maybe reserve a spot for one or two newcomers that are very highly ranked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: Wonder why. Thats FHSAA choice vs Freeman I’m sure. Definitely an ask from the FHSAA. Mainly because their football people are mostly small school yokels who think that "running up the score" is one of the most important issues facing the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 When picking the open division, FHSAA can use points. X amount of points for state titles won the last 5 years, X amount of points for playoff win over last 5 years, X amount of points for total wins over the last five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 7, 2023 Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, 181pl said: When picking the open division, FHSAA can use points. X amount of points for state titles won the last 5 years, X amount of points for playoff win over last 5 years, X amount of points for total wins over the last five years. That would still give us Madison County's and other riff raff in the Open bracket. Just use the regular calpreps ratings. They're terrible across states and have other issues but they're better than this watered down version they use now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 One criteria could be that this does not apply to rural teams. Because no matter what a rural team would never be able to pull in the amount of talent that a similar sized team like Chaminade could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 Although those Madison County teams, 15 or 16 years ago were loaded relatively speaking. they used to smack around the similar size private schools, but there were no similar animals to a chaminade back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 here’s another article updating what happened today. They are getting rid of metro and suburban. They have not yet agreed on an open division. It seems like they were trying to float a 32 team open division. I liked the open division that was discussed in the Palm Beach Post article. Which would be the top eight ranked teams at the end of the year. I did not like the way they were going to do it with maxpreps rankings. That’s ridiculous. They need to do it with a point system based on success in the last five years and in the current season. https://highschool.si.com/florida/2023/12/12/fhsaas-board-of-directors-vote-in-favor-of-new-reclassification-required-district-play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, 181pl said: I did not like the way they were going to do it with maxpreps rankings. That’s ridiculous. They need to do it with a point system based on success in the last five years and in the current season. Your idea is even more ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Your idea is even more ridiculous. no, it’s not. You get the teams that are winning multiple state championships in a row to compete with each other. And I’m not talking about the little Podunk teams. You would exclude the rural teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 The goal would be to have a class with Saint Thomas, chaminade, miami, central, teams like that. The best of the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted December 12, 2023 Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 Just now, 181pl said: no, it’s not. You get the teams that are winning multiple state championships in a row to compete with each other. And I’m not talking about the little Podunk teams. You would exclude the rural teams. It is. Not all state championships are equal. Even non-rural ones. Good thing is that your idea has absolutely zero chance of happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: It is. Not all state championships are equal. Even non-rural ones. Good thing is that your idea has absolutely zero chance of happening. I don't give a shit how they do it, as long as the open class actually has the best few teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted December 12, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2023 Points may not be the way but in season rankings based on hocus pocus is not the way either. Maybe have a some combo of a writers poll and several computer rankings. They can't just rely on max preps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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