Today's Critical Question For Florida State Fans

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, 181pl said:

They’ve also fallen way behind in contracts with ESPN.

Which has to do with the value of the properties in the ACC and not negotiating ability.

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, 181pl said:

When you sign everything over to the ACC, you’re expecting them to advocate for your position and that did not happen.

Again, just making stuff up.

Your whining has been utterly embarrassing on this.

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, 181pl said:

and FSU has three legit national titles. Georgia has a fake one. They lost their last game to Alabama in the SEC kiss your sister game and somehow were allowed into the playoff anyway in 2021. That was bogus. Last year was good. 1980 was good. But they played a weak Notre Dame team in the sugar bowl game  based on the  bowl alliances back then. 

😄

This is classic.

FSU gets in over undefeated West Virginia in 1993 and gets to play Virginia Tech and Auburn in the other two. Somehow those are "legit" and others are deemed not because....reasons.

[181pl]

2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

You have no way of knowing this and thus are just making it up.

I also love the unhinged rantings of FSU fans on this.

On one hand, they decry the "bias" being displayed by SEC interests and ESPN but on the other hand they want ACC interests to go to bat for FSU for no other reason than...bias?

What should they have done? Burned down the conference room? Held the other members hostage?

get bent loser. the acc filing, even if taken as true, does not excuse the breaches outlined in the fsu filing. 

[181pl]

2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

Which has to do with the value of the properties in the ACC and not negotiating ability.

wrong. SEC renegotiated while ACC stood pat willing to be a little bitch

[181pl]

https://news.fsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/12.22.2023-Final-Complaint-4.pdf

 

[181pl]

INTRODUCTION

The stunning exclusion of the ACC’s undefeated football champion from the 2023-2024 College Football Playoff (“CFP”) in deference to two one-loss teams from two competing Power Four conferences crystalized the years of failures by the ACC to fulfill its most fundamental commitments to FLORIDA STATE and its members. Those fundamental commitments – explicitly made and acknowledged in writing by the ACC – include the ACC’s duty to “generate substantial revenues” for its members, a constitutional purpose “[t]o foster quality competitive opportunities for student-athletes in . . . championships,” a mission “to maximize athletic opportunities” for its student-athletes, and a vision “to be at the forefront in . . . athletic achievement.” The ACC has fumbled all four.

Indeed, through chronic fiduciary mismanagement and bad faith, the ACC has persistently undermined its members’ revenue opportunities including by locking them into a deteriorating media rights agreement that will soon result in a vast annual financial gap between the ACC and other Power Five (soon to be Power Four) conferences. Those failures have, by design, coalesced with the ACC’s efforts to effectively deprive ACC members of their fundamental right to withdraw, through the combination of an unconscionable Grant of Rights provision and a prohibitive Withdrawal Penalty that are unparalleled in the history of intercollegiate athletics.

The ACC’s hotly contested vote last September to add three new members, instead of increasing the value of its existing members’ media rights will further dilute these values and diminish the ACC’s already deemed inadequate “strength of schedule” rating going forward. This will necessarily handicap ACC members vying for a position in future CFPs against peers from the other Power Four conferences, including peers with inferior won-loss records. Perhaps the most telling metric of the lack of media caché those new ACC members carry, one has forfeited all media payments otherwise due it as a “member” of the ACC, while the other two forfeited approximately 66% of that payout . . . for the next several years. In sum, the ACC has negotiated itself into a self-described “existential crisis,” rendered itself fiscally unstable and substantially undermined its members’ capacity to compete at the elite level. In doing so, the ACC violated the contractual, fiduciary and legal duties it owed its members.

The ACC’s failures transcend this single national championship opportunity lost or even just football. The ACC’s incompetence at the bargaining table unfairly impedes the overall institutional advancement of all its members, including FLORIDA STATE. By depriving its members of the full media value of their football programs the ACC has undermined its members’ ability to fund other vital sports such as women’s and Olympic sports as well as soccer, lacrosse, and tennis. FLORIDA STATE relied on the advice, expertise and representations of the ACC andits media consultant with regard to media rights. The ACC, however, appeared dedicated to selfpreservation and self-perpetuation over the fiscal well-being of its members. A conference so dedicated cannot endure. FLORIDA STATE has continually challenged the ACC to be better for all its members yet the ACC has rebuffed FLORIDA STATE’s efforts.

The foregoing and what follows below, in toto, compel the FLORIDA STATE BOARD of TRUSTEES to determine whether its steward can be withdrawn from the ACC before the damage to FLORIDA STATE becomes even more irreversible. To that end, the FLORIDA STATE BOARD of TRUSTEES seeks guidance from this honorable court.

 

 

[181pl]

I'm sure its very difficult for a DOLT like ATTICUS to read through this brief but well-reasoned suit. He's just fearful that his Canes may not find a place (but they will). 

In the end this is good for College Football. There should be a massive realignment and it should include an actual playoff. Although this lawsuit would clearly not do that, it would create a way out for some marquee programs (FSU, Miami, Clemson and some historically significant teams like Pitt, Syracuse, etc.) to potentially lead the way to a new college football landscape.

However, before any of this is even a discussion, NCAA has to put an end to the transfer portal. Let the kids get one transfer. After that, they have to sit out and pay their own way (NIL money, etc.) unless they've graduated and have remaining eligibility. 

[pied]

39 minutes ago, 181pl said:

I'm sure its very difficult for a DOLT like ATTICUS to read through this brief but well-reasoned suit. He's just fearful that his Canes may not find a place (but they will). 

In the end this is good for College Football. There should be a massive realignment and it should include an actual playoff. Although this lawsuit would clearly not do that, it would create a way out for some marquee programs (FSU, Miami, Clemson and some historically significant teams like Pitt, Syracuse, etc.) to potentially lead the way to a new college football landscape.

However, before any of this is even a discussion, NCAA has to put an end to the transfer portal. Let the kids get one transfer. After that, they have to sit out and pay their own way (NIL money, etc.) unless they've graduated and have remaining eligibility. 

 

 

Nah, this just reeks of sour grapes for missing out on the playoffs this season and being part of a conference not named the SEC or B1G.  

 

For me, the massive realignment that has already occurred isn't great, but it is what it is and here we are.

[Atticus Finch]

14 hours ago, 181pl said:

get bent loser.

When you've got nothing this is what you're left with.

As usual, you act like a clueless clown because you are one.

[Atticus Finch]

14 hours ago, 181pl said:

the acc filing, even if taken as true, does not excuse the breaches outlined in the fsu filing. 

There were no breaches.

FSU is just on tilt right now and is lashing out.

[Atticus Finch]

13 hours ago, 181pl said:

I'm sure its very difficult for a DOLT like ATTICUS to read through this brief but well-reasoned suit.

It might seem well-reasoned to an idiot FSU fan but nobody other than Seminole ball-fluffers has said this suit is well-reasoned.

FSU agreed to all of it and the ACC filing shows that during the 12 years of the current Grant of Rights that their revenue disbursements more than doubled.

So they can't argue that they didn't agree to it and they can't argue that they didn't benefit from it.

They also can't claim that there was no consideration since the ACC Network was the consideration for the GOR extension in 2016. Which also increased FSU's disbursements.

It's all a charade so they can try to force some kind of reduced settlement.

[Atticus Finch]

13 hours ago, 181pl said:

He's just fearful that his Canes may not find a place (but they will). 

Again, more projection.

Your fears are not my fears.

FSU is a bunch of whiny little bitches who are throwing a tantrum. Nothing more.

[Fred]

22 hours ago, 181pl said:

Those failures have, by design, coalesced with the ACC’s efforts to effectively deprive ACC members of their fundamental right to withdraw, through the combination of an unconscionable Grant of Rights provision and a prohibitive Withdrawal Penalty that are unparalleled in the history of intercollegiate athletics.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that FSU had lawyers examine the ACC contract in a great deal of detail before they signed.  Remorse is not an excuse to not live up to the terms they willingly agreed to even if the deal has not been in their favor.  They may very well leave the ACC but if they get out of the contract terms and penalties, contracts throughout the business world then become at risk.  There is *very* dangerous legal precedent that will be set if they are allowed to skip on commitments they willing made.  Kind of like the arguments made about the GHSA not having the best interests of it members at heart, the ACC *is* it membership.  If the members don't like what is/was happening, they have the ability to do something about it.