HSFBfan Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, noonereal said: figures, the poor are always getting screwed your not being serious right?? how many millions of dollars are spent on the lower class. welfare housing etc etc. You want less poor people stop giving them handouts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, noonereal said: figures, the poor are always getting screwed Not really. Poor people can make anywhere from 30-60k a year just sitting at home and collecting maximum social entitlements. This is taking into account SNAP, welfare, WIC, subsidized housing, medi-care, social security disability, etc............. All while never showing up to a job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, HSFBfan said: your not being serious right?? how many millions of dollars are spent on the lower class. Damned serious, not nearly enough. I am a fiscal conservative but a social liberal. Hence a true centrist. See how that works and why I am against Trump? He is the reverse of both. Now, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, noonereal said: Damned serious, not nearly enough. I am a fiscal conservative but a social liberal. Hence a true centrist. See how that works and why I am against Trump? He is the reverse of both. Now, that is. I am anything but a social liberal so that could explain why we never agree. Btw its your tax money that goes to the poor as you work your ass off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, TheBlockIsHot said: Not really. Poor people can make anywhere from 30-60k a year just sitting at home and collecting maximum social entitlements. This is taking into account SNAP, welfare, WIC, subsidized housing, medi-care, social security disability, etc............. All while never showing up to a job. BINGO!!!!!!! Wow block another day we can have an agreement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, TheBlockIsHot said: Not really. Poor people can make anywhere from 30-60k a year just sitting at home and collecting maximum social entitlements. This is taking into account SNAP, welfare, WIC, subsidized housing, medi-care, social security disability, etc............. All while never showing up to a job. These numbers sound outrageous but in truth, no one on welfare lives like they are making $60,000 a year. It's complete nonsense. I do expect @concha to now run down his basement and make a chart that challenges the reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, noonereal said: These numbers sound outrageous but in truth, no one on welfare lives like they are making $60,000 a year. It's complete nonsense. I do expect @concha to now run down his basement and make a chart that challenges the reality. Those numbers come from taking into account ALL of the social entitlements that poor people are eligible for. Many collect all of these at once. Free healthcare is factored in because there is a cost associated with this, just as if a job was paying premiums for you. It is calculated into your overall income. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Welfare- $1500 a month WIC- $400 a month Food Stamps- $500 a month Subsidized housing- $1500 a month Free healthcare- $1,700 a month Total - $67,200 in social entitlements per year. No job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: I am anything but a social liberal so that could explain why we never agree. Btw its your tax money that goes to the poor as you work your ass off I never worked my a$$ off except when I was working 65 hours weeks, exempt from minimum wage and over time laws. It's all perspective as I know I worked much longer and harder than you, for example, but never felt oppressed. Also of interest and something you should consider is that the easiest job I ever had I made some very serious cash. Again, it's all perspective because some of the folks that were my peers cried all the time. Others, like me, appreciated being where we were and knew it was a special opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, TheBlockIsHot said: Welfare- $1500 a month WIC- $400 a month Food Stamps- $500 a month Subsidized housing- $1500 a month Free healthcare- $1,700 a month Total - $67,200 in social entitlements per year. No job. Why am i working???? I can make close to 70k a year by sitting home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, TheBlockIsHot said: Those numbers come from taking into account ALL of the social entitlements that poor people are eligible for. Many collect all of these at once. Free healthcare is factored in because there is a cost associated with this, just as if a job was paying premiums for you. It is calculated into your overall income. I know all this. been over it, looked at it close. I stand by my statements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, HSFBfan said: Why am i working???? I can make close to 70k a year by sitting home This would apply to a family. But you could still do very well for a single person if you worked the system. I still wouldn't want to do it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, noonereal said: I never worked my a$$ off except when I was working 65 hours weeks, exempt from minimum wage and over time laws. It's all perspective as I know I worked much longer and harder than you, for example, but never felt oppressed. Also of interest and something you should consider is that the easiest job I ever had I made some very serious cash. Again, it's all perspective because some of the folks that were my peers cried all the time. Others, like me, appreciated being where we were and knew it was a special opportunity. Ill give you a round of applause for working harder than me LMAOOOO. But understand part of your money went to people sitting on their ass never having to get a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheBlockIsHot said: Welfare- $1500 a month WIC- $400 a month Food Stamps- $500 a month Subsidized housing- $1500 a month Free healthcare- $1,700 a month Total - $67,200 in social entitlements per year. No job. Can you please post the name of this person with a link? Thanks You realize folks like BC12 believe this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, TheBlockIsHot said: This would apply to a family. But you could still do very well for a single person if you worked the system. I still wouldn't want to do it though. Ok so even if your a single person making 40k a year isnt really enough to live on especially in NY. Not saying I would never do it. And 70k for a family in NY is very little esp when you live in the city or close to it. But than again its 70k without working Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, noonereal said: Can you please post the name of this person with a link? Thanks You realize folks like BC12 believe this? This is an educated estimate from multiple sources. Take a look. My example was a typical family of 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, HSFBfan said: Ill give you a round of applause for working harder than me LMAOOOO. But understand part of your money went to people sitting on their ass never having to get a job. I understand how people are unable to take care of themselves in a capitalistic system so it never bothered me to help them through taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, noonereal said: I understand how people are unable to take care of themselves in a capitalistic system so it never bothered me to help them through taxes. Ok dude. Again I dont agree with you as I believe you need to be self sufficient and if you cant be than you end up on the streets. If you work it shouldnt be on your money that these people sit home and collect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, TheBlockIsHot said: This is an educated estimate from multiple sources. Take a look. My example was a typical family of 4. Trust me, I am aware and knew it was based on a family not an individual. That was obvious, well not to BC12 maybe. i the real world I have yet to see the prosperity these numbers would suggest. Hence I asked for particular people whose life I could examine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, noonereal said: Trust me, I am aware and knew it was based on a family not an individual. That was obvious, well not to BC12 maybe. i the real world I have yet to see the prosperity these numbers would suggest. Hence I asked for particular people whose life I could examine. Ask @concha He collects all of these entitlements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Thanks to the results of a study from the University of California at Berkeley, we now have a more accurate idea of exactly how much funding these programs require. Many have hostile attitudes toward SNAP, unemployment insurance, and other programs, and if you’re going strictly off the price tag, it does look like there’s room to be concerned. The total? $152.8 billion annually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Thanks to the results of a study from the University of California at Berkeley, we now have a more accurate idea of exactly how much funding these programs require. Many have hostile attitudes toward SNAP, unemployment insurance, and other programs, and if you’re going strictly off the price tag, it does look like there’s room to be concerned. The total? $152.8 billion annually. All so some people don't have to work. There should be work requirements for ALL social entitlements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, TheBlockIsHot said: All so some people don't have to work. There should be work requirements for ALL social entitlements. Yep. i think some states are starting to pass that now were you have to work i think its a minimum of 20 hours to get social benefits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, HSFBfan said: Yep. i think some states are starting to pass that now were you have to work i think its a minimum of 20 hours to get social benefits. I agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, HSFBfan said: Ok dude. Again I dont agree with you as I believe you need to be self sufficient and if you cant be than you end up on the streets. If you work it shouldnt be on your money that these people sit home and collect Self sufficiency is not a dominate human trait. Humans are social animals who live communally. Within the community we all provide differing resources. The structure demanded of a capitalistic system places demands on people that many simply cannot perform. For a variety of reasons. Capitalism is invoked because it does produce maximal results. Where it goes wrong is when it does not benefit those who are ill-equipped to be part of the system. Greed prohibits the communal sharing of production. Capitalism forbids self sufficiency in traditional ways. In other words, those that may be just fine as a gatherer or a hunter are not allowed to exist as such under capitalism. Do I need explain this in more detail or do you understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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