Columbiafan Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Read this thread on Twitter to check it out Ik they are actually looking into it because I've talked to a few athletic directors around the state Would be interesting if this actually happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Tell us more @Columbiafan! 😎😎😎 BGW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted June 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Tell us more @Columbiafan! 😎😎😎 BGW I don't know any exact details and unfortunately when i asked for a demo of what the classes would look like i never got a response What i know is what was mentioned on twitter but i can confirm the fhsaa is indeed looking into it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 Gay. Unnecessary. Wasteful. Stupid. 6 classes- No less than 6 teams in each district. Winner and runner up make playoffs. Re-seed by SECTION after first round (to ensure the district winner gets a home game). Problems solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted June 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 If classes stay by enrollment then problems will still exist, enrollment is not a good indicator of a teams competitive level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted June 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sportsnut said: The adopted items are: more points for losing to better team, bonus points for playing teams in higher classifications, an expanded playoff bracket for small schools and expanded playoff rosters. Yes those were all being considered and voted on The idea being asked about is not currently up for vote because they are still asking athletic directors from across the state their thoughts on it The ones that will likely hate this idea will be teams who have a favorable road to state and this system would move teams based on competitive levels for classes (kinda like how d1 and d2 works in a few states out there) But best of all I'm hearing it's for alls sports not just football so teams who are not successful in a high class in some sports will get to move down and play teams of similar level Basically balancing the classes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted June 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sportsnut said: FHSAA finalizes football playoff format changes for upcoming season Yes i remember those being passed The previous changes were passed already These ones I'm talking about are no where close to passing yet because they are still looking into it Click on the twitter post at the top and read the thread and you can see some details on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, 181pl said: Gay. Unnecessary. Wasteful. Stupid. 6 classes- No less than 6 teams in each district. Winner and runner up make playoffs. Re-seed by SECTION after first round (to ensure the district winner gets a home game). Problems solved. That's a mighty fine fantasy you've got there. But there's this small problem of popular vote that you never seem to understand. You won't get enough votes for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 48 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: If classes stay by enrollment then problems will still exist, enrollment is not a good indicator of a teams competitive level But the state should not be in the business of determining "competitive level" at all. Making classes based on that would be the most unfair, participation trophy giving, mediocrity awarding farce ever. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 29 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: The ones that will likely hate this idea will be teams who have a favorable road to state and this system would move teams based on competitive levels for classes (kinda like how d1 and d2 works in a few states out there) Not everybody is as self-interested as you. I hate the idea because a team in Division 6, which would be terrible, would win a state championship but 70 teams in Division 1, the best teams in the state, wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 31 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Basically balancing the classes Or rewarding mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Scratch Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 Lots of questions... D1 with these teams? What are the chances in this being approved? How many divisions? I see 3 at least when you put the top teams in Florida in D1. There would have to be more than 2 divisions. Teams like Cocoa Beach for example, would never survive in a D2 class with teams like MCC, Bolles, Glades Central, ect... We would see some stellar D1 games if they schedule regional teams against each other in regular season. Could make for some great rematches in the playoffs also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted June 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 30 minutes ago, Cat_Scratch said: Lots of questions... D1 with these teams? What are the chances in this being approved? How many divisions? I see 3 at least when you put the top teams in Florida in D1. There would have to be more than 2 divisions. Teams like Cocoa Beach for example, would never survive in a D2 class with teams like MCC, Bolles, Glades Central, ect... We would see some stellar D1 games if they schedule regional teams against each other in regular season. Could make for some great rematches in the playoffs also. That was basically what the d1 class would look like off last season alone, it would be a 2 year average for determining it They suggested maxpreps rankings but i disagree with maxpreps which rankings are flawed which would probably be a deal breaker with most people, they likely will need a better method then maxpreps for determining classes if this were to have any chance to pass It would be 6 "divisions" from what I'm hearing from the athletic directors and media that I've spoken to on it It would apparently eliminate districts (another potential roadblock to this passing) My personal opinion is this will have to be altered to have any chance to pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted June 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 2 hours ago, 181pl said: Gay. Unnecessary. Wasteful. Stupid. 6 classes- No less than 6 teams in each district. Winner and runner up make playoffs. Re-seed by SECTION after first round (to ensure the district winner gets a home game). Problems solved. The main reason we have small districts is because several teams want to game the system and whine and complain until they get a easier road District 1 of 7a was also supposed to include niceville and Navarre on the original alignment back in 2015 The 2 panhandle teams complained about having to travel to Tallahassee and worked there way into 6a and that left a 3 team District in Tallahassee The funny thing is that those 2 teams probably would have been best 2 teams in that district during past 3 years so they would have had a easier road to making playoffs had they sucked it up and just stayed there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Goldmember said: Making classes based on that would be the most unfair, participation trophy giving, mediocrity awarding farce ever. Don’t you think the SSD1 bracket/ format is better than the FL7A? Your participation trophy analogy is baffling as that’s what FL’s format has been described as for years — everyone good team has a division to themselves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted June 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, Pops said: Don’t you think the SSD1 bracket/ format is better than the FL7A? Your participation trophy analogy is baffling as that’s what FL’s format has been described as for years — everyone good team has a division to themselves He knows sta will never dominate if they have a class like this so he obviously fears that failure will finally come for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 46 minutes ago, Pops said: Don’t you think the SSD1 bracket/ format is better than the FL7A? No. I've always maintained that open brackets are dumb and they guarantee that the best teams aren't in the state championship/bowl games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 47 minutes ago, Pops said: Your participation trophy analogy is baffling as that’s what FL’s format has been described as for years — everyone good team has a division to themselves It's been described that way by people like you who have no clue what you're talking about. If the best 70 teams were in one bracket, then there would be 5 participation trophies given in the other 5 divisions. As it happens now, 5 of the 8 champions could potentially be the 5 best teams in the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Pops said: everyone good team has a division to themselves Something that you've repeated ad nauseum but has never been true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 Just now, Goldmember said: No. I've always maintained that open brackets are dumb and they guarantee that the best teams aren't in the state championship/bowl games. DLS has played a top 10 team in championship game every year since ‘07 — most of those years DLS was also top 10 most FL championships are something like a top 50 team playing a fringe top 1,000 team don’t know how you can use “better matchups” as part of your rationale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 42 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: He knows sta will never dominate if they have a class like this so he obviously fears that failure will finally come for him Again, not everybody is as self-interested and selfish as you are. I evaluate ideas. Not whether they're good for me or not. That bracket would be fun and interesting but you're stupid if you think the STA's would vote against it. The teams that would vote against it would be Madison County, Baker County, Plantation, Miramar, Clearwater Central Catholic, etc. One day you'll realize how dumb and inexperienced you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, Pops said: DLS has played a top 10 team in championship game every year since ‘07 — most of those years DLS was also top 10 What does this have to do with what I said? You mentioned the SSD1 bracket and then you attempt to refute my statement by talking about DLS. If 3 of the top 5 teams, let's say, are in SSD1 then you're guaranteeing that 2 of the top 5 teams in the state have no chance of playing in a state championship/bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, Goldmember said: As it happens now, 5 of the 8 champions could potentially be the 5 best teams in the state. Could even be 6 dont understand why you’re advicating to keep those teams isolated from one another in playoffs to teat yourself against the best is a more noble pursuit than to beat up the weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted June 2, 2018 Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Goldmember said: What does this have to do with what I said? You mentioned the SSD1 bracket and then you attempt to refute my statement by talking about DLS. Because you spoke about bad matchups in championship games when literally no one comes remotely close to having as good of matchups as CA whatever else you wanna say about CA brackets, the matchups are vastly Superior to MNC team playing #1,000 Bolles in championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted June 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Goldmember said: Again, not everybody is as self-interested and selfish as you are. I evaluate ideas. Not whether they're good for me or not. That bracket would be fun and interesting but you're stupid if you think the STA's would vote against it. The teams that would vote against it would be Madison County, Baker County, Plantation, Miramar, Clearwater Central Catholic, etc. One day you'll realize how dumb and inexperienced you are. Most truthful thing you have ever said Those are 2 of the biggest crybabies in the entire state, Baker County act like a big shot when they beat minnows but second a shark tears them apart they whine like babies about it Madison County also beats up on teams and brag about beating teams in larger classes but second someone says they should be in a higher classification they cry enrollment or if someone calls them out on the fact that they cheat the numbers (they do and it's obvious to anyone who knows how they work the numbers) they deny it I wonder who's ass Madison County kisses to stay in 1a 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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