DBP66 Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Trump Taxes: Appeals Court Rules President Must Turn Over 8 Years of Tax Returns A three-judge appeals panel said the president’s accounting firm had to comply with a subpoena. President Trump has fought on several fronts to shield his personal financial records from scrutiny. Credit...Anna Moneymaker/The New York Times By Benjamin Weiser Nov. 4, 2019Updated 11:13 a.m. E.T. A federal appeals panel said on Monday that President Trump’s accounting firm must turn over eight years of his personal and corporate tax returns to Manhattan prosecutors, a setback for the president’s attempt to keep his financial records private. The three-judge appeals panel did not take a position on the president’s biggest argument — that he is immune from all criminal investigations. A lower court had called that argument “repugnant to the nation’s governmental structure and constitutional values.” Instead, the appeals court said the president’s accounting firm, not Mr. Trump himself, was subpoenaed for the documents, so it did not matter whether presidents have immunity. “We emphasize again the narrowness of the issue before us,” the decision read. “This appeal does not require us to consider whether the president is immune from indictment and prosecution while in office, nor to consider whether the president may lawfully be ordered to produce documents for use in a state criminal proceeding.” But the tax returns are not likely to be handed over soon. Mr. Trump has fought vigorously to shield his financial records, and the case appears headed to the United States Supreme Court. The legal fight began in late August after the office of the Manhattan district attorney, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., a Democrat, subpoenaed Mr. Trump’s accounting firm, Mazars USA, for his tax returns and those of his family business dating to 2011. Prosecutors in the office are investigating the role of the president and his business in hush-money payments made to two women just before the 2016 presidential election. The office sought the records in connection with an investigation into whether any New York State laws were broken when Mr. Trump and his company, the Trump Organization, reimbursed his former lawyer and fixer, Michael D. Cohen, for payments he made to the adult film actress Stormy Daniels, who claimed she had an affair with Mr. Trump. Mr. Cohen was also involved in money paid to Karen McDougal, a Playboy model who also said she had a relationship with Mr. Trump. The president has denied the relationships. Mr. Trump’s lawyers sued to block the subpoena, writing that the criminal investigation of the president was unconstitutional. They asserted that presidents have such unique power and responsibility that they cannot be subject to the burden of investigations, especially from local prosecutors who may use the criminal process for political gain. They pointed to impeachment as the correct way to address any potential wrongdoing by a president. Mr. Trump’s lawyers also have called the district attorney’s action an “effort to harass the president by obtaining and exposing his confidential financial information, not a legitimate attempt to enforce New York law.” The immunity argument has never been tested in court. Federal prosecutors are barred from charging a sitting president with a crime because the Justice Department has decided that presidents have temporary immunity while they are in office. But that policy has not precluded investigations of the president. Mr. Trump and other sitting presidents have been the subjects of federal criminal investigations, and local prosecutors like Mr. Vance have not been bound by the policy. On Oct. 7, Judge Victor Marrero of Federal District Court in Manhattan issued a 75-page opinion, rejecting Mr. Trump’s position. Mr. Trump appealed to the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. “We view the entire subpoena as an inappropriate fishing expedition not made in good faith,” William S. Consovoy, one of Mr. Trump’s lawyers, told the appeals panel at oral arguments. At the arguments, the president’s immunity claim seemed to crystallize when a bold statement Mr. Trump once made — that he could stand on Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, without being hurt politically — was cited by one of the judges, Denny Chin. Judge Chin asked Mr. Consovoy about the potential effect of the president’s immunity claim in such a hypothetical situation. “Local authorities couldn’t investigate?” the judge asked, adding: “Nothing could be done? That’s your position?” “That is correct. That is correct,” Mr. Consovoy said. The Justice Department, led by William P. Barr, had also weighed in, writing that Mr. Vance’s subpoena should be blocked for now but not adopting Mr. Trump’s absolutist view that a sitting president could never be subject to criminal investigation. In an appellate brief, the department wrote that Mr. Vance’s office should not be able to obtain the president’s personal records unless and until it could show that they were central to the investigation, not available elsewhere and were needed immediately, rather than after Mr. Trump leaves office. “A subpoena directed at a president’s records should be permitted only as a last resort,” the department wrote. Although the United States is not a party to the lawsuit, it has the right to give its views. The appeals court typically considers cases via three-judge panels. In addition to Judge Chin, the panel that heard the president’s appeal included Judge Robert A. Katzmann, the court’s chief judge; and Judge Christopher F. Droney. Judge Katzmann was appointed to the appeals court by President Bill Clinton. Judges Chin and Droney were placed on the court by President Barack Obama. Judge Katzmann made it clear as the oral arguments concluded that he expected the case would end up at the Supreme Court. “We have the feeling that you may be seeing each other again in Washington,” Judge Katzmann said as the arguments ended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 You got him this time, dipshit! Let us know how it works out for ya. 🤣 #onpinsandneedles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Blueliner said: You got him this time! Let us know how it works out for ya. 🤣 #onpinsandneedles who got him Blueballs??...not me...our legal system "got him"...blame them not the guy who provided the post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Not so sure what your so confused about, dipshit. You lose every single time. This will be no exception. The SCOTUS isn’t going to make Trump turn over his taxes because some activist judge is telling him to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, DBP66 said: who got him Blueballs??...not me...our legal system "got him"...blame them not the guy who provided the post... Not blaming anyone, dipshit....other than you and your lying, unethical, treasonous, ilk of course. Have fun losing yet again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Not blaming anyone, dipshit....other than you and your lying, unethical, treasonous, ilk of course. Have fun losing yet again. sounds like you're pissed off at the 3 judges who ruled against your hero??..LOL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, DBP66 said: sounds like you're pissed off at the 3 judges who ruled against your hero??..LOL... I am pissed at them for letting their left leaning politics get in the way of doing their jobs competently. The 3 liberal activist judges rubber-stamped it as expected. The ONLY court that matters is the SCOTUS. You can now go back to your full time job of being a dumbshit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 Nobody here knows what these judges are, Repub or Dem or Indep. If we expect judges to decide cases depending on if they are Repub or Dem and not on the law we are fucked. Do any of you really want that? Not everything is fixed and not every decision is political. God help is if that were the case. I'm not naive enough to think it doesn't happen but to assume it is without any info to support that view is just tribal bs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 8 minutes ago, World Citizen said: Nobody here knows what these judges are, Repub or Dem or Indep. If we expect judges to decide cases depending on if they are Repub or Dem and not on the law we are fucked. Do any of you really want that? Not everything is fixed and not every decision is political. God help is if that were the case. I'm not naive enough to think it doesn't happen but to assume it is without any info to support that view is just tribal bs. Yes. I KNOW that these judges are what they are. That’s why this will lose in the SCOTUS. And yes...right here, right now EVERYTHING regarding Trump is political in this unprecedented attack on democracy and a sitting US POTUS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 They should have a “retard” emoji for us to use on you. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Yes. I KNOW that these judges are what they are. That’s why this will lose in the SCOTUS. And yes...right here, right now EVERYTHING regarding Trump is political in this unprecedented attack on democracy and a sitting US POTUS. he attacked our democracy when he asked a foreign country to get involved ion our election!!...why can't you Trumpers grasp this FACT.....the dems are defending our democracy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Blueliner said: I am pissed at them for letting their left leaning politics get in the way of doing their jobs competently. The 3 liberal activist judges rubber-stamped it as expected. The ONLY court that matters is the SCOTUS. You can now go back to your full time job of being a dumbshit. and how the fuck do you know which way they lean?!..LOL...you have no clue...how about maybe..just maybe they were defending our laws??... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, DBP66 said: he attacked our democracy when he asked a foreign country to get involved ion our election!!...why can't you Trumpers grasp this FACT.....the dems are defending our democracy! Liar!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Liar!!!! ya...sure I am..LOL...read the transcript and listen to the testimony of those who testified...so you're down to just calling it "lies" and me a "liar"??..LOL..like a grade school kid would do when confronted with facts and an admission(MickMulvany)??...LOL..#youcan'thandlereality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 50 minutes ago, DBP66 said: and how the fuck do you know which way they lean?!..LOL...you have no clue...how about maybe..just maybe they were defending our laws??... Whatever you say, fuckstick. You're a disgrace to well....everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted November 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Whatever you say, fuckstick. You're a disgrace to well....everything. LOL..when you clowns start your cursing act you know you've been beat down once again Blueballs!... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat_Scratch Posted November 4, 2019 Report Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, DBP66 said: LOL..when you clowns start your cursing act you know you've been beat down once again Blueballs!... Show us your taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 66 still rocking the stiffy over Drumpf’s taxes LMAO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted November 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 19 hours ago, Cat_Scratch said: Show us your taxes. as soon as I decide to run for President...bedsides Trump has said he's willing to release them as soon as the 5yr. IRS year audit is over...it should be close to be completed soon huh??...what do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted November 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 27 minutes ago, zulu1128 said: 66 still rocking the stiffy over Drumpf’s taxes LMAO. 66 just passing the good news along Dave...🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 In 1995 he lost over 900 million in Atlantic City which made him legally exempt from paying taxes for 18 years. Despite that, he did pay 30 some plus million in taxes in 05.... which was a higher percentage that year than the socialist Bernie, the Muslim, the murdering witch and her husband. Don’t take my word for it .... ask Rachel Madcow who did an episode of when she released his tax returns and it was an epic face plant. It’s almost as she did the show without reading them first. It was a Similar face plant as 66 on here everyday. This is a nothing burger. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 7 hours ago, DBP66 said: 66 just passing the good news along Dave...🙄 Got any more brain busters copy and paste boy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjd33 Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 On 11/4/2019 at 3:54 PM, Cat_Scratch said: Show us your taxes. He can’t afford a pizza .... why bother? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted November 5, 2019 Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Mjd33 said: In 1995 he lost over 900 million in Atlantic City which made him legally exempt from paying taxes for 18 years. Despite that, he did pay 30 some plus million in taxes in 05.... which was a higher percentage that year than the socialist Bernie, the Muslim, the murdering witch and her husband. Don’t take my word for it .... ask Rachel Madcow who did an episode of when she released his tax returns and it was an epic face plant. It’s almost as she did the show without reading them first. It was a Similar face plant as 66 on here everyday. This is a nothing burger. That was one funny episode....the look on her face was almost as good as election night 16'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted November 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Mjd33 said: Got any more brain busters copy and paste boy? you love my cut and paste posts huh?!..LOL..so it's all good with Trump's taxes??...no problems huh??...then why won't he show them champ??...there's a brain buster for you!..😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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