golfaddict1 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 17 minutes ago, stanscript said: I'm not disputing anything in your post above. If the regular season blacked out average is 70 and the playoff blacked out average is 80 how do you arrive at the final season PR number, step by step.? Not sure it's more clear than my initial post. As I said, the ratings likely changed with Freeman's retread. Follow my math in the post. Does it work? I would be surprised nobody tested it by now. Im not going to analyze more when the creator uses a word roughly. I'd rather look at 2004-2016 state scales and see what year states either remembered or forgot how to play hsfb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Stanscript is another that had 0 clue what state averages meant/state scaling was. And because of this, as Ive been saying all along... CalPreps will never be an accurate or fair National Rating/Ranking service. If Ned would forget about the $ (what he received from MP) and just stick to States individually... itd have much more integrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Well since ECHS chimed in perhaps he can show how in theory we should arrive at a PR rating using 70 as the average for the regular season and 80 as the average for the playoffs. The playoff ratings get a 2.1 boost as per golfaddict and Calpreps. Want to take a stab at it ECHS? Take it step by step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just now, stanscript said: Well since ECHS chimed in perhaps he can show how in theory we should arrive at a PR rating using 70 as the average for the regular season and 80 as the average for the playoffs. The playoff ratings get a 2.1 boost as per golfaddict and Calpreps. Want to take a stab at it ECHS? I need a little more info... Its according to how many Bold games were used to come up with that 70 average in the regular season, and how many Bold games were used to come up with that 80 on the playoffs. If theres 8 bolded regular season games that lead to the 70 average there, versus say only 2 bolded games in the playoffs that lead to an 80... even though the playoffs are weighed more heavily... the regular season will be worth more because theres 4x more games being weighed. I do think playoff games should be weighed slightly more... although 2.1x is a lot. But in the case Im referencing above the final PR would be below a 75. Idk ... I didnt read all of you guys' posts beforehand so Im not sure what the backstory is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Assume that the number of bold games during the season is equal to the bold games in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, stanscript said: Assume that the number of bold games during the season is equal to the bold games in the playoffs. Ok... let me take a stab. Same # of Regular Season games as Playoff games are Bolded. Regular Season Average = 70 Playoff Game Average = 80 2.1 Boost to Playoff games. The final rating in this scenario is going to end up right at 77.2 ... you want to see how I got to that #? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 minute ago, ECHS05 said: I need a little more info... Its according to how many Bold games were used to come up with that 70 average in the regular season, and how many Bold games were used to come up with that 80 on the playoffs. If theres 8 bolded regular season games that lead to the 70 average there, versus say only 2 bolded games in the playoffs that lead to an 80... even though the playoffs are weighed more heavily... the regular season will be worth more because theres 4x more games being weighed. I do think playoff games should be weighed slightly more... although 2.1x is a lot. But in the case Im referencing above the final PR would be below a 75. Idk ... I didnt read all of you guys' posts beforehand so Im not sure what the backstory is. My first post Echs, I used two examples where it seemed to work (maybe my math was off but it looked decent at the time lol) with avg reg season vs avg playoffs and avg. out ... vs using all boldfaced and then boosting boldfaced with playoffs and avg. out all. "Roughly" I think we all will see in play so perhaps teams with less boldfaced games have a slightly different formula to get the PR? Wanna take a stab at it Echs w a few GA schools? One w many boldfaced in reg season and playoffs and one w limited boldfaced. Maybe we can roughly figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just now, golfaddict1 said: My first post Echs, I used two examples where it seemed to work (maybe my math was off but it looked decent at the time lol) with avg reg season vs avg playoffs and avg. out ... vs using all boldfaced and then boosting boldfaced with playoffs and avg. out all. "Roughly" I think we all will see in play so perhaps teams with less boldfaced games have a slightly different formula to get the PR? Wanna take a stab at it Echs w a few GA schools? One w many boldfaced in reg season and playoffs and one w limited boldfaced. Maybe we can roughly figure it out. Yeah let me find a Georgia team and see what I can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 That's what I've been asking for the last several posts. By the way, I think your process is different than goldaddict's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Golf... do Kell GA... ranked at #28 in GA in 2016... I want to see what you get, then I'll tell you how I got mine... I got a final rating of 43.4 (simplified) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Doing Cass Tech bc you did Cass Tech... I got 66.5 Which is pretty close to their CP average of 67.6 You got 73, but you also did it before Neds tweeking... curious to see what yours is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Before you two guys go off on a different tangent, it would be helpful (for you) to be sure you have the right formula. I think you are both off a little bit (not much, to be sure). I got a 44.28 for Kell and a 67.06 for Cass Tech. Not saying I will always be closer but seem to be in these two instances. That's why I want to see how you arrive at the hypothetical PR given the same number of games with 70 for regular season and 80 for playoffs. .217483436 is a key number in my formula and I'll show you what it means, just so you don't think I'm make up results just to see how you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted July 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Using ** 47.2 because it's boldfaced I come up with 44.38 rounded to 44.4 Freeman uses 44.6 i come up with playoffs 46.04 and reg season 42.71. If totaled and avg comes to 44.375 368.34 pts for playoffs, 341.7 pts for reg season equaling 710.04 divided by 16 equals 44.3775 for avg all games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 59 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: Using ** 47.2 because it's boldfaced I come up with 44.38 rounded to 44.4 Freeman uses 44.6 i come up with playoffs 46.04 and reg season 42.71. If totaled and avg comes to 44.375 368.34 pts for playoffs, 341.7 pts for reg season equaling 710.04 divided by 16 equals 44.3775 for avg all games. May I ask why you divided by 16 instead of 16.4 Kinda like ... 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2.1 + 2.1 + 2.1 + 2.1 = 16.4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 1 hour ago, golfaddict1 said: Using ** 47.2 because it's boldfaced I come up with 44.38 rounded to 44.4 Freeman uses 44.6 i come up with playoffs 46.04 and reg season 42.71. If totaled and avg comes to 44.375 368.34 pts for playoffs, 341.7 pts for reg season equaling 710.04 divided by 16 equals 44.3775 for avg all games. What is your result if the regular season average is 70 and the playoff average is 70? Do you get a 70 for your final PR number or something slightly above or below? You can assume that there are 6 regular season games and 4 playoff games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, stanscript said: What is your result if the regular season average is 70 and the playoff average is 70? Do you get a 70 for your final PR number or something slightly above or below? You can assume that there are 6 regular season games and 4 playoff games. Lol.. there can be no answer but 70 here. Despite whether the playoffs count more or not... 1 set of 70s count more than another set of 70s, but the average is still 70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 2 hours ago, stanscript said: Before you two guys go off on a different tangent, it would be helpful (for you) to be sure you have the right formula. I think you are both off a little bit (not much, to be sure). I got a 44.28 for Kell and a 67.06 for Cass Tech. Not saying I will always be closer but seem to be in these two instances. That's why I want to see how you arrive at the hypothetical PR given the same number of games with 70 for regular season and 80 for playoffs. .217483436 is a key number in my formula and I'll show you what it means, just so you don't think I'm make up results just to see how you do it. You got a 67.06 for Cass Tech? Thats exactly what their playoff average is... how can that be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 24 minutes ago, ECHS05 said: Lol.. there can be no answer but 70 here. Despite whether the playoffs count more or not... Yes, I’m well aware that the answer should be 70.0 but it isn’t a stupid question. Humor me and plug in 70.0 for both the regular season component and the playoff component into you formula or method and see if you do get 70.0. Baby steps…… I’m surprised that nobody can provide a formula. Didn’t anyone ever have a math teacher that required them to show their work? .2185221436 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Doing Cass Techs again... not taking into account double asterisks 51.4 + 68.2 + 74.2 = 193.8 / 3 = 64.6 Regular Season 63 + 54.1 + 66.1 + 69.5 + 82.6 = 335.3 / 5 = 67.06 Playoffs 897.93/13.5 To do it correctly... its.. 51.4 + 68.2 + 74.2 + (63×2.1)+ (54.1×2.1) + (66.1×2.1) + (69.5×2.1) + (82.6×2.1) = 897.93 Divide that by ... 1+1+1+2.1+2.1+2.1+2.1+2.1 = 13.5 897.93 / 13.5 = 66.5133333333 Or a 66.5 if you prefer... Cass Tech = 66.5 Ned has a 67.6 I can only assume, whether stanscript wants to accept it or now, the remaining is from starting rating which was an insanely high 77.9.. infact lets add it in... 897.93 + 77.9 = 975.83 13.5 + 1 = 14.5 975.83/14.5 = 67.2986206897 Or... 67.3... which is .3 away from their final rating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, ECHS05 said: You got a 67.06 for Cass Tech? Thats exactly what their playoff average is... how can that be? Sorry that should be 66.3. Wow, I'm getting rummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Just now, stanscript said: Sorry that should be 66.3. Wow, I'm getting rummy. I added my work for you above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 For Grayson GA 64 + 72.5 + 69.1 + 82.9 + 86.2 + (85.5×2.1) + (82.7×2.1) + (80.7×2.1) = 897.39 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2.1 + 2.1 + 2.1 = 11.3 897.39/11.3 = 79.4 Graysons final rating was a 78.6 ... I can only assume thats bc Ned hates GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Its that simple... happy now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 De La Salle 78 + 59.7 + 56.7 + 56.6 + 44.5 + 62 + 80.1 + (74.6×2.1) + (86.8×2.1) + (61.8×2.1) = 906.32 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2.1 + 2.1 + 2.1 = 13.3 906.32/13.3 = 68.1443609023 Or 68.14 DLSs final rating at CP was a 70.4 ... ==== Add in their starting rating... 906.32 + 73.9 = 980.22 13.3 + 1 = 14.3 980.22 / 14.3 = 68.5468531469 Or... 68.55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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