LiberalDonaldTrump Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 This school has 5 teachers that carry a fire arm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 morons 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, noonereal said: morons see i almost took you off ignore and than you stated this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Drummer61 said: No, very safe and smart...Why are there guns in banks, Hollywood lefties have gun toting guards all the time and walled estates, politicians are guarded by gun holders, Disney World has gun carrying security, stadiums have gunn carrying guards, people carry so why not protect students as the government ,big as it is, can't....Wackos who get visited 25-35 time by police can't be contained...You may be the moron 🤓🤓🤓🤓 as you know, I am a numbers guy. Maybe you missed it. On a bright sunny day, police shooting at a paper target hit the target about 83% of the time. In the field, when confronted. that # shrinks to 18%. Teachers, I would submit, would be even lower. It's time for all to grow up and realize that guns are a physiological comfort which give a false sense of security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: Training...... Look up "Shoot Straight" in West Palm Beach.... did you not read what I posted? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalDonaldTrump Posted February 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Look at 2:06 that’s how u disarm a shooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Lol you clowns are complete idiots. Most teachers could bit a barn from 3 feet away. This will do nothing. False sense of security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 41 minutes ago, TheBlockIsHot said: Lol you clowns are complete idiots. Most teachers could bit a barn from 3 feet away. This will do nothing. False sense of security. is this not the case with 99.9% of all guns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, noonereal said: is this not the case with 99.9% of all guns? Might be 99.9999999 It's funny to me that all these people are saying these teachers should be armed. With handguns. They are effective within 10-15 ft for an experienced shooter. No hand gun is stopping anyone with an AR. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, TheBlockIsHot said: They are effective within 10-15 ft for an experienced shooter. effective for an experienced shooter on a sunny day shooting at a paper target, not effective for an experienced shooter in a high stress situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, noonereal said: effective for an experienced shooter on a sunny day shooting at a paper target, not effective for an experienced shooter in a high stress situation That is correct. These gun dudes are morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 Just now, TheBlockIsHot said: That is correct. These gun dudes are morons. i posted this twice today, you may have missed it a cop at a shooting range on a nice day hits the target 83% of the time in the field under stress the accuracy goes to 18% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted February 23, 2018 Report Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, noonereal said: i posted this twice today, you may have missed it a cop at a shooting range on a nice day hits the target 83% of the time in the field under stress the accuracy goes to 18% I saw that. The cop assigned to the high school last week was so confident in his handgun and training that he decided to stay outside and not engage at all, letting the shooter reign free. So much for "we need good guys with guns!" LMFAO! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbcaptiron Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 13 hours ago, noonereal said: as you know, I am a numbers guy. LOL Bravo 4 u Maybe you missed it. or maybe he ignored it On a bright sunny day, police shooting at a paper target hit the target about 83% of the time. yup, about right (actually 83.57% for intermediate at the 'most used' fired shot and 87.68% for expert) In the field, when confronted. that # shrinks to 18%. Watchu talkin bout Willis? IT DEGRADES BY 18% (you fucking LYING ASSHOLE ) which makes it (for any real numbers guy)= 68.53% (for intermediates).....like WTF is wrong with you? Teachers, I would submit, would be even lower. Then you would be wrong (surprised me as well) It's time for all to grow up and realize that guns are a physiological comfort which give a false sense of security. Inflated maybe, but certainly not 'false' dingbat, there is a deterrent factor involved for those who are not brain dead. (so who is really the one who needs to grow up?) Hey dingleberry see above, and since your such a NUMBERS guy, and apparently not such an HONEST guy...maybe you can quote your source... So we don't have to assume that your pulling those numbers out of your ass... I'm kind of hoping you're not using some poorly framed (or even dishonest) version of what any quick search pulls up... http://www.forcescience.org/articles/naiveshooter.pdf ...As one could easily mistake that 'range %' to mean that 3-15 foot 'range' (where about half of all police shootings occur) to be where you get your 83% number, and that 'field %' number in the teens to actually be the 60-75 foot mark..., This source clearly states that while some departments fall below 50% it puts the NYPD at 66.4% - 68.06% mark for officer accuracy under combat shooting conditions where most shootings occur (3/15 + not just 'field' where they are just shooting 'unarmed' blacks for fun) If this WAS your source (or what someone else butchered before those numbers got to 'number guy' you), I could see where some people like yourself might not want to post it... (some neat clips 4 u) "but a majority of gunfights and critical situations will likely involve multiple shots being fired in close proximity, usually within only 3-15 ft of the suspect " (and) " important to note that an average of 47% of the adversarial conflicts in which officers fired their weapons, occurred at a distance of 3-15 ft" (RUH ROH) "As noted in a 2011 report, a large contributor to those crimes are more than 1.4 million active street gang members, outlaw motorcycle gangs and prison gangs " (bigger RUH ROH) " Gang members are responsible for nearly one-half (48%) of all violent crimes in most States; however, some States, such as Arizona, California and Illinois, report that gang members are responsible for over 90% of violent crimes." (it even has a coupe de grace for those thinking it takes much training...) "results of this study demonstrated that individuals who had completed standard, law enforcement academy firearms training were not more accurate in their shooting than those who had not had any law enforcement handgun training. As well, they were only moderately more accurate than individuals who had minimal firearms and little to no handgun experience" Pretty neat stuff huh? Now if this wasn't the article you were quoting, I did particularly take note of this point... "It should be noted that, according to Geller and Scott, academic studies of hit rates or hit accuracies may be inaccurate due to issues with gaining access to complete reports from officers about missed, or offtarget shots, and the variance in terms and information which different departments collect and report." Now I could really give two shits about what a 'numbers guy' such as yourself thinks your wonderful "drop off in 'range %' to 'field %' even means in your skull, .....because in my own head I'm thinking of 'TWO LITTLE WORDS' that kind of.....well....you know.....render anything you have much to say about it moot, in being able to take down a suspect quickly... Can you guess what they are???? Got it yet? Well I already gave you a clue........ Go back up and look dummy, they are underlined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 3 hours ago, dbcaptiron said: Hey dingleberry see above, and since your such a NUMBERS guy, and apparently not such an HONEST guy...maybe you can quote your source... So we don't have to assume that your pulling those numbers out of your ass... I'm kind of hoping you're not using some poorly framed (or even dishonest) version of what any quick search pulls up... http://www.forcescience.org/articles/naiveshooter.pdf ...As one could easily mistake that 'range %' to mean that 3-15 foot 'range' (where about half of all police shootings occur) to be where you get your 83% number, and that 'field %' number in the teens to actually be the 60-75 foot mark..., This source clearly states that while some departments fall below 50% it puts the NYPD at 66.4% - 68.06% mark for officer accuracy under combat shooting conditions where most shootings occur (3/15 + not just 'field' where they are just shooting 'unarmed' blacks for fun) If this WAS your source (or what someone else butchered before those numbers got to 'number guy' you), I could see where some people like yourself might not want to post it... (some neat clips 4 u) "but a majority of gunfights and critical situations will likely involve multiple shots being fired in close proximity, usually within only 3-15 ft of the suspect " (and) " important to note that an average of 47% of the adversarial conflicts in which officers fired their weapons, occurred at a distance of 3-15 ft" (RUH ROH) "As noted in a 2011 report, a large contributor to those crimes are more than 1.4 million active street gang members, outlaw motorcycle gangs and prison gangs " (bigger RUH ROH) " Gang members are responsible for nearly one-half (48%) of all violent crimes in most States; however, some States, such as Arizona, California and Illinois, report that gang members are responsible for over 90% of violent crimes." (it even has a coupe de grace for those thinking it takes much training...) "results of this study demonstrated that individuals who had completed standard, law enforcement academy firearms training were not more accurate in their shooting than those who had not had any law enforcement handgun training. As well, they were only moderately more accurate than individuals who had minimal firearms and little to no handgun experience" Pretty neat stuff huh? Now if this wasn't the article you were quoting, I did particularly take note of this point... "It should be noted that, according to Geller and Scott, academic studies of hit rates or hit accuracies may be inaccurate due to issues with gaining access to complete reports from officers about missed, or offtarget shots, and the variance in terms and information which different departments collect and report." Now I could really give two shits about what a 'numbers guy' such as yourself thinks your wonderful "drop off in 'range %' to 'field %' even means in your skull, .....because in my own head I'm thinking of 'TWO LITTLE WORDS' that kind of.....well....you know.....render anything you have much to say about it moot, in being able to take down a suspect quickly... Can you guess what they are???? Got it yet? Well I already gave you a clue........ Go back up and look dummy, they are underlined You Are An Idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 15 hours ago, TheBlockIsHot said: That is correct. These gun dudes are morons. What time is the next drive by, Block? Clearly you're an expert, I think I know why.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 I'll wait for the private school response in defense of 18% live shooting accuracy..... Should have known better... Shoot me, go ahead it's 18%.... nope, better not, it's not 18%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: What time is the next drive by, Block? Clearly you're an expert, I think I know why.... These are facts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 Shooting accuracy is not high in a firefight. This is common sense. Adrenaline, the instinct for self-preservation etc drop accuracy markedly. That said, not sure what nooner and his vagina are getting at here. If a shooter shows up at a school, are they saying it's better to not have someone there that can shoot back because it might take multiple shots to hit the bad guy? Better to let the bad guy continue on his merry way slaughtering innocents? No benefit from forcing the shooter to take cover even if you don't hit him (and thus save lives)? There may be some fools who buy into nooner and his vagina's schtick. I am not one of them. It is far too often just faux intellectual, uninformed, voices-in-their-heads verbal diarrhea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 In Minority Report...they got the guy before he killed anybody. We need Pre-Cog !!!!! Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 40 minutes ago, concha said: Shooting accuracy is not high in a firefight. This is common sense. Adrenaline, the instinct for self-preservation etc drop accuracy markedly. That said, not sure what nooner and his vagina are getting at here. If a shooter shows up at a school, are they saying it's better to not have someone there that can shoot back because it might take multiple shots to hit the bad guy? Better to let the bad guy continue on his merry way slaughtering innocents? No benefit from forcing the shooter to take cover even if you don't hit him (and thus save lives)? There may be some fools who buy into nooner and his vagina's schtick. I am not one of them. It is far too often just faux intellectual, uninformed, voices-in-their-heads verbal diarrhea. maybe if we make sure guns are not available we won't need to shoot back and injure extra kids? What do you think, stinky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus69 Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, noonereal said: maybe if we make sure guns are not available we won't need to shoot back and injure extra kids? What do you think, stinky? The NRA would arm every student with an AR-15 (with bump stock). Rufus>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 3 hours ago, noonereal said: maybe if we make sure guns are not available we won't need to shoot back and injure extra kids? What do you think, stinky? Instances are rife in history where that ended badly for unarmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Rufus69 said: The NRA would arm every student with an AR-15 (with bump stock). Rufus>> Slight exaggeration I’m pretty sure of it. Tiny bit. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 5 hours ago, Rufus69 said: The NRA would arm every student with an AR-15 (with bump stock). Rufus>> What a helpful, reality-based contribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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