Whiteshoes Top 100 - September 16, 2018

[whiteshoes]

1.       Bellflower (CA) St. John Bosco (8-0)

2.        Allen (TX) (6-0)

3.        Washington (DC) St. Johns Academy (7-0)

4.        Corona (CA) Centennial (8-0)

5.        Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei (6-2)

6.        Bradenton (FL) IMG Academy (5-1)

7.        Baltimore (MD) St. Frances Academy (4-0)

8.        Norman Park (GA) Colquitt County (7-0)

9.        Miami (FL) Central (7-1)

10.    Honolulu (HI) St. Louis (8-0)

11.    Concord (CA) De LaSalle (8-0)

12.    Baton Rouge (LA) University Lab (7-0)

13.    Akron (OH) Archbishop Hoban (8-0)

14.    Houston (TX) North Shore (6-0)

15.    Miami (FL) Carol City (7-0)

16.    Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central (9-0)

17.    Westlake Village (CA) Oaks Christian (8-0)

18.    Rome (GA) (8-0)

19.    Fort Lauderdale (FL) St. Thomas Aquinas (6-1)

20.    Chandler (AZ) (7-1)

21.    Mission Viejo (CA) (8-0)

22.    Irmo (SC) Dutch Fork (7-0)

23.    Katy (TX) (5-1)

24.    Folsom (CA) (7-1)

25.    Cincinnati (OH) Colerain (8-0)

26.    Philadelphia (PA) St. Joseph Prep (5-0)

27.    Aledo (TX) (6-0)

28.    Muskegon (MI) (8-0)

29.    Converse (TX) Judson (5-0)

30.    Oradell (NJ) Bergen Catholic (6-1)

31.    Frankford (IL) Lincoln-Way East (8-0)

32.    Loganville (GA) Grayson (5-2)

33.    South Jordan (UT) Bingham (7-1)

34.    Marietta (GA) Walton (7-0)

35.    Duncanville (TX) (5-0)

36.    San Juan Capistrano (CA) JSerra Catholic (7-1)

37.    Southlake (TX) Carroll (6-0)

38.    Hyattsville (MD) DeMatha (5-1)

39.    Spring (TX) Klein Collins (7-0)

40.    Austin (TX) Westlake (6-1)

41.    Phenix City (AL) Central (8-0)

42.    Longview (TX) (6-0)

43.    North Little Rock (AR) (7-0)

44.    New Orleans (LA) Edna Karr (7-0)

45.    Peoria (AZ) Centennial (8-0)

46.    Montvale (NJ) St. Joseph Regional (5-2)

47.    Austin (TX) Lake Travis (6-1)

48.    Salt Lake City (UT) East (6-2)

49.    Cornelius (NC) Hough (7-0)

50.    North Charleston (SC) Fort Dorchester (8-0)

51.    Roswell (GA) Blessed Trinity (7-0)

52.    Park Hills (KY) Covington Catholic (8-0)

53.    Catawissa (PA) Southern Columbia Area (8-0)

54.    Detroit (MI) M L King (7-1)

55.    Chantilly (VA) Westfield (7-0)

56.    Leesburg (GA) Lee County (7-0)

57.    Martinsburg (WV) (8-0)

58.    Wayne (NJ) DePaul Catholic (6-1)

59.    Brentwood (CA) Liberty (9-0)

60.    Pickerington (OH) Central (7-1)

61.    West Point (MS) (6-1)

62.    Broken Arrow (OK) (7-0)

63.    Detroit (MI) Cass Tech (8-0)

64.    Horn Lake (MS) (8-0)

65.    Houston (TX) Cypress Ranch (7-0)

66.    St. Louis (MO) Christian Brothers (7-1)

67.    Mentor (OH) (7-1)

68.    Anderson (SC) T.L. Hanna ((8-0)

69.    Aliquippa (PA) (8-0)

70.    Highland Springs (VA) (6-0)

71.    Highlands Ranch (CO) Valor Christian (8-0)

72.    Buford (GA) (6-2)

73.    Alcoa (TN) (8-0)

74.    Dallas (TX) Highland Park (6-0)

75.    Brentwood (TN) Academy (7-1)

76.    Baton Rouge (LA) Catholic (6-1)

77.    Las Vegas (NV) Bishop Gorman (4-3)

78.    Jersey City (NJ) St. Peters Prep (5-2)

79.    Fresno (CA) Central (9-0)

80.    Chicago (IL) Brother Rice (8-0)

81.    Deerfield Beach (FL) (7-1)

82.    Maryville (TN) (7-1)

83.    Chesapeake Bay (VA) Oscar Smith (7-0)

84.    Ellenwood (GA) Cedar Grove (7-1)

85.    Scottsdale (AZ) Saguaro (7-1)

86.    Charlotte (NC) Mallard Creek (6-0)

87.   Starkville (MS) (7-1)

88.   Powder Springs (GA) Hillgrove (7-0)

89.   San Bernardino (CA) Cajon (7-1)

90.   Lakeland (FL) (8-0)

91.   Chicago (IL) Marist (7-1)

92.   River Ridge (LA) John Curtis (7-0)

93.   Hattiesburg (MS) (8-0)

94.   Alabaster (AL) Thompson (6-1)

95.   Olney (MD) Our Lady of Good Counsel (5-2)

96.   Greenwood Village (CO) Cherry Creek (8-0)

97.   Upland (CA) (7-1)

98.   Gaffney (SC) (7-1)

99.   Washington (DC) Gonzaga (6-2)

100.  Peoria (AZ) Liberty (7-1)

 

 

Dropped out:

#44 Euless (TX) Trinity (5-1) lost to Halton City (TX) Haltom (6-0)         48-34

#46 Lawrenceville (GA) Archer (5-2) lost to #37 Loganville (GA) Grayson (5-2)           41-14

#81 Plantation (FL) American Heritage (5-2) lost to Fort Lauderdale (FL) Cardinal Gibbons (5-2)       24-14

#87 Louisville (KY) Male (8-1) lost to Louisville (KY) St. Xavier (5-2)        28-13

 

 

 

 

[hardhit1]

Four teams from Ohio is quite laughable 

And you know I never said that to you before today😂

[Sammyswordsman]

OY Vey! 

Where to begin

Allen played nobody

St. John too many near misses

DLS Vulnerable in multiple areas

Jokes Christian Come on

Cen10 not vetted same as Allen

Throw out the entire 76-100

[Omaha Vol]

1 hour ago, hardhit1 said:

Four teams from Ohio is quite laughable 

And you know I never said that to you before today😂

Shit, I have 4 in my top 50. 😎

[Omaha Vol]

53 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

OY Vey! 

Where to begin

Allen played nobody

St. John too many near misses

DLS Vulnerable in multiple areas

Jokes Christian Come on

Cen10 not vetted same as Allen

Funny how all those teams listed STILL find ways to win over quality opponents. All are good teams worthy of the accolades given to them. 

[Wooderson]

1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said:

 

St. John too many near misses

DLS Vulnerable in multiple areas

 

What's the difference between St. John's near misses and Pinnacle's near-misses? 

Oh, and if you had even the first clue about Arizona football you'd be aware of how vulnerable Pinnacle is beyond their quarterback.

[hardhit1]

1 hour ago, Omaha Vol said:

Shit, I have 4 in my top 50. 😎

👍👍👍

[Sammyswordsman]

43 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

What's the difference between St. John's near misses and Pinnacle's near-misses? 

Oh, and if you had even the first clue about Arizona football you'd be aware of how vulnerable Pinnacle is beyond their quarterback.

Exactly why Pinnacle is not Tier 1 or Tier 2.  May'be Tier 3 is a stretch for them too.  Will give them a closer look next week.  Thanks for the info

[whiteshoes]

13 hours ago, hardhit1 said:

Four teams from Ohio is quite laughable 

And you know I never said that to you before today😂

Let's talk Ohio.   Moeller and Winton Woods are the only two Cincinnati teams that are close outside of the ones that are ranked.  The two Cleveland teams, St. Edward and St. Ignatius have two losses, admittedly early and to Mentor, are rising but still do not think that they are in yet.   Honestly I think I have Hoban over ranked.    I guess I need to know who you are talking about.    Solon beats Mentor last week so do they get ranked ahead of the two Cleveland teams if you are basing it on a daisy chain.  What teams in my poll could they beat?     You think Trotwood-Madison or Huber Heights Wayne could beat Phoenix Liberty, Starkville or any other team in my last twenty?    I really do not think they can.    No one has a greater respect for Ohio football than I do.   Living in a neighboring state, I get a chance to see them play a lot.    However, I just do not think this has a been a vintage year for Ohio football.  

[whiteshoes]

10 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

Exactly why Pinnacle is not Tier 1 or Tier 2.  May'be Tier 3 is a stretch for them too.  Will give them a closer look next week.  Thanks for the info

I flipped a coin to determine the last spot in the poll between Liberty and Pinnacle.    Pinnacle beats them a point at home last weekend and my feeling was that Liberty probably gets them on a neutral field.

[nptb17]

41 minutes ago, whiteshoes said:

Let's talk Ohio.   Moeller and Winton Woods are the only two Cincinnati teams that are close outside of the ones that are ranked.  The two Cleveland teams, St. Edward and St. Ignatius have two losses, admittedly early and to Mentor, are rising but still do not think that they are in yet.   Honestly I think I have Hoban over ranked.    I guess I need to know who you are talking about.    Solon beats Mentor last week so do they get ranked ahead of the two Cleveland teams if you are basing it on a daisy chain.  What teams in my poll could they beat?     You think Trotwood-Madison or Huber Heights Wayne could beat Phoenix Liberty, Starkville or any other team in my last twenty?    I really do not think they can.    No one has a greater respect for Ohio football than I do.   Living in a neighboring state, I get a chance to see them play a lot.    However, I just do not think this has a been a vintage year for Ohio football.  

You are basing your rankings off of the past.  Fairfield is the second best team in the the Greater Cincinnati area.  Winton Woods and St.X and Covington Catholic would round out the top 5 Greater Cincinnati squads.  Mentor is playing right now without the starting qb which might have played a part in them losing last week.  Then you have Hilliard Davidson and Coffman who I wouldn't rank in the top 100 but if you have some of these other teams ranked, they belong as well.  TCC is absolutely a top 100 squad.  Massilon is a top 100 squad.  They couldn't stop a good team from scoring but they can put up points themselves.  

St. Edward is obviously rolling right now and St. Ignatius is picking up steam as well.  It seems I was wrong about their defense.  Starkville would lose to any top 10 Ohio squad.  I would bet a large lump sum on it.

[hardhit1]

8 hours ago, nptb17 said:

You are basing your rankings off of the past.  Fairfield is the second best team in the the Greater Cincinnati area.  Winton Woods and St.X and Covington Catholic would round out the top 5 Greater Cincinnati squads.  Mentor is playing right now without the starting qb which might have played a part in them losing last week.  Then you have Hilliard Davidson and Coffman who I wouldn't rank in the top 100 but if you have some of these other teams ranked, they belong as well.  TCC is absolutely a top 100 squad.  Massilon is a top 100 squad.  They couldn't stop a good team from scoring but they can put up points themselves.  

St. Edward is obviously rolling right now and St. Ignatius is picking up steam as well.  It seems I was wrong about their defense.  Starkville would lose to any top 10 Ohio squad.  I would bet a large lump sum on it.

Great post

i think Ohio is having quite a nice year with some top teams and good depth

[hardhit1]

9 hours ago, whiteshoes said:

Let's talk Ohio.   Moeller and Winton Woods are the only two Cincinnati teams that are close outside of the ones that are ranked.  The two Cleveland teams, St. Edward and St. Ignatius have two losses, admittedly early and to Mentor, are rising but still do not think that they are in yet.   Honestly I think I have Hoban over ranked.    I guess I need to know who you are talking about.    Solon beats Mentor last week so do they get ranked ahead of the two Cleveland teams if you are basing it on a daisy chain.  What teams in my poll could they beat?     You think Trotwood-Madison or Huber Heights Wayne could beat Phoenix Liberty, Starkville or any other team in my last twenty?    I really do not think they can.    No one has a greater respect for Ohio football than I do.   Living in a neighboring state, I get a chance to see them play a lot.    However, I just do not think this has a been a vintage year for Ohio football.  

Ok let’s talk Ohio

NPTB spelled most of it out but let’s look a bit closer.

Both Iggy & Ed’s lost to Mentor. Ed’s by a missed XP and now Mentor did not play their QB so Solon beat them. No you are correct Solon does not move up,

Iggy lost to Hoban who just scored 63 against a decent Padua team in the first half nonetheless. 

Hoban & Colerain are Ohio’s best to date.

your #63 team beat Ed’s on a miracle Hail Mary. You think there are 37 places of separation from being considered in your poll? Both Omaha & Columbia say no way in their top 50 polls respectively.

And there are teams such as TCC, Hilliard Davison, Massillon, McKinley & Fairfield that need to be looked at.

I always liked your poll Whitey but just saying Ohio is a bit better than 4 teams in a top 100. Thanks😀

[Omaha Vol]

53 minutes ago, hardhit1 said:

And there are teams such as TCC, Hilliard Davison, Massillon, McKinley & Fairfield that need to be looked at.

I really like TCC. I can’t wait for them to collide with Hoban in the playoffs.

[nptb17]

17 minutes ago, Omaha Vol said:

I really like TCC. I can’t wait for them to collide with Hoban in the playoffs.

TCC is the only team I think is capable of knocking off Hoban in D2.  I would give Winton Woods a shot as well but that depends on their game plan.  

[Coletrain06]

2 hours ago, Omaha Vol said:

I really like TCC. I can’t wait for them to collide with Hoban in the playoffs.

Me too. TCC and Hoban both seem unstoppable right now. 

[whiteshoes]

22 hours ago, nptb17 said:

You are basing your rankings off of the past.  Fairfield is the second best team in the the Greater Cincinnati area.  Winton Woods and St.X and Covington Catholic would round out the top 5 Greater Cincinnati squads.  Mentor is playing right now without the starting qb which might have played a part in them losing last week.  Then you have Hilliard Davidson and Coffman who I wouldn't rank in the top 100 but if you have some of these other teams ranked, they belong as well.  TCC is absolutely a top 100 squad.  Massilon is a top 100 squad.  They couldn't stop a good team from scoring but they can put up points themselves.  

St. Edward is obviously rolling right now and St. Ignatius is picking up steam as well.  It seems I was wrong about their defense.  Starkville would lose to any top 10 Ohio squad.  I would bet a large lump sum on it.

Can't disagree with any of those statements.   However, as you know, when we start a season you look at the traditionally strong programs in each state and use that as a basis for your poll.    Then as the year progresses you try to take note of a program on the rise and monitor there play as the year progresses.    One way I do that is by starting to post them on my weekly viewer guide.   This allows me to look at them once a week as I compile my state rankings.    All my state rankings are listed on a worksheet that allow me to see each states top teams as I compile the national poll.   Fairfield was not even in the Ohio poll at the start of the season and TCC was in the 20 range.   Each have been moving up since but still are not at the level of say St. Edward, St. Ignatius or even Moeller.   However, we will agree to disagree on Starkville.    One thing I do know for sure about Mississippi football and that is you had better be quick when going up against a team from that state.    Clips I have seen from them this season and also seeing Horn Lake live, tell me that their quickness and overall athleticism is difficult to handle.     You mentioned Covington Catholic who I saw play Chatard and can tell you they would have serious issues against Horn Lake.

[noonereal]

Just now, whiteshoes said:

Can't disagree with any of those statements.   However, as you know, when we start a season you look at the traditionally strong programs in each state and use that as a basis for your poll.    Then as the year progresses you try to take note of a program on the rise and monitor there play as the year progresses.    One way I do that is by starting to post them on my weekly viewer guide.   This allows me to look at them once a week as I compile my state rankings.    All my state rankings are listed on a worksheet that allow me to see each states top teams as I compile the national poll.   Fairfield was not even in the Ohio poll at the start of the season and TCC was in the 20 range.   Each have been moving up since but still are not at the level of say St. Edward, St. Ignatius or even Moeller.   However, we will agree to disagree on Starkville.    One thing I do know for sure about Mississippi football and that is you had better be quick when going up against a team from that state.    Clips I have seen from them this season and also seeing Horn Lake live, tell me that their quickness and overall athleticism is difficult to handle.     You mentioned Covington Catholic who I saw play Chatard and can tell you they would have serious issues against Horn Lake.

with all respect as you truly are an earnest and genuinely nice man

dutiful and through 

but your poll is a geriatric poll. 

It's the same poll as 1999. All the same biases and prejudices that I have campaigned against for 2 decades. 

 

[whiteshoes]

13 hours ago, hardhit1 said:

Ok let’s talk Ohio

NPTB spelled most of it out but let’s look a bit closer.

Both Iggy & Ed’s lost to Mentor. Ed’s by a missed XP and now Mentor did not play their QB so Solon beat them. No you are correct Solon does not move up,

Iggy lost to Hoban who just scored 63 against a decent Padua team in the first half nonetheless. 

Hoban & Colerain are Ohio’s best to date.

your #63 team beat Ed’s on a miracle Hail Mary. You think there are 37 places of separation from being considered in your poll? Both Omaha & Columbia say no way in their top 50 polls respectively.

And there are teams such as TCC, Hilliard Davison, Massillon, McKinley & Fairfield that need to be looked at.

I always liked your poll Whitey but just saying Ohio is a bit better than 4 teams in a top 100. Thanks😀

As I stated on my earlier post, those teams are all on the radar but don't feel that they could beat the likes of Peoria (AZ) Liberty, Washington (DC) Gonzaga, Gaffney (SC) etc.     I often said that the toughest part of a Top 100 is the bottom 10 not the Top 10.    However, I do appreciate the input and will consider all your points as I go forward.    Honestly I wish more posters would give such great feedback, it helps me a lot .

[nptb17]

1 minute ago, whiteshoes said:

As I stated on my earlier post, those teams are all on the radar but don't feel that they could beat the likes of Peoria (AZ) Liberty, Washington (DC) Gonzaga, Gaffney (SC) etc.     I often said that the toughest part of a Top 100 is the bottom 10 not the Top 10.    However, I do appreciate the input and will consider all your points as I go forward.    Honestly I wish more posters would give such great feedback, it helps me a lot .

The South Carolina schools are so outclassed it's not even funny.  There is a reason they don't leave their comfort zone.

[whiteshoes]

1 minute ago, noonereal said:

with all respect as you truly are an earnest and genuinely nice man

dutiful and through 

but your poll is a geriatric poll. 

It's the same poll as 1999. All the same biases and prejudices that I have campaigned against for 2 decades. 

 

My polls are most likely geriatric because I am geriatric.     Seriously, I assume your statement of biases and prejudices is that I include the same teams each season without giving upcoming programs due respect.    As I stated in an early post, I try very hard to pick up a team like Homestead (FL) and East Jefferson (LA) as soon as I can but trying to monitor 750 high school teams can be difficult and is why I rely on folks like you to assist me as my goal is to get this thing as close as I can.

[whiteshoes]

2 minutes ago, nptb17 said:

The South Carolina schools are so outclassed it's not even funny.  There is a reason they don't leave their comfort zone.

I recall Duncan Byrnes playing at the Herbstreit several years ago and they were anything but outclassed.  

[nptb17]

1 minute ago, whiteshoes said:

I recall Duncan Byrnes playing at the Herbstreit several years ago and they were anything but outclassed.  

Byrnes was outclassed.  Moeller dominated them in the line of scrimmage.  Moeller was more athletic than them.  Moeller didn't win the score board at the end of the day which is all that matters but they hit a fieldgoal that was called no good.  I was right above the goal post in the corner of the endzone.  And to top this all off.  Moeller was only the 6th best team in the city of Cincinnati that season.  Byrnes was at worst 2nd best team in all of South Carolina.  

[Texasball]

On 10/16/2018 at 7:44 PM, Sammyswordsman said:

OY Vey! 

Where to begin

Allen played nobody

St. John too many near misses

DLS Vulnerable in multiple areas

Jokes Christian Come on

Cen10 not vetted same as Allen

Throw out the entire 76-100

Just another chain 

SJB beat Timpview UT 49-0

Jordan UT beat Timpview  18-7

East UT beat Jordan  36-21

Allen beat East 52-20 was winning 52-0 with 8min to go in 4th

You Cali boys keep acting like you got something special.  

[Sammyswordsman]

1 hour ago, Texasball said:

Just another chain 

SJB beat Timpview UT 49-0

Jordan UT beat Timpview  18-7

East UT beat Jordan  36-21

Allen beat East 52-20 was winning 52-0 with 8min to go in 4th

You Cali boys keep acting like you got something special.  

Amat thrashing Aledo told us all we needed to know