golfaddict1 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 22 hours ago, badrouter said: As you know, it always takes the services longer to catch on to the Florida kids. The west coast kids are the last ones to get attention nationally imo. Why would there be a delay for FL kids? Many emerge from "nowhere" as they don't all play in massive, wealthy private schools that market the hell out of them, get them to every camp etc. STA is that, but not many others in the state similar. whereas in Southern California there are dozens of private schools pumping big $. A strong public H.S. in California is the huge exception to the rule. Most all of the talent ends up at wealthy private schools pushing all the right buttons in terms of getting kids exposure. FBS recruits don't come from public schools in FL and CA? One track minds in here. Let's talk about STA star ratings... there are 8 juniors with offers and no star rating currently on 247sports and they are missing at least 2 recruits with offers and not listed. Double digit juniors heading to spring ball and not rated yet. The ONLY reason Bowman is in that top 30 is because Lakeland just happened to be strong enough across the board to get to play STA. Had, say, Lakeland's defense not been as good and another school knocked them out earlier, Bowman wouldn't be in the top 50 right now as many recruiting "experts" wouldn't even know who he is. Even though he'd be exactly the same player in either case. LOTS of very talented kids end up in similar situations. Yes, he had no offers and would have been rated a 3 star had he not had the game vs. STA ... and people wonder why Los posts the way he does. Elite recruits need to have a marquee opponent now AND do well too to garner such a lofty rating? "many recruiting "experts" wouldn't even know who he is." https://247sports.com/PlayerSport/Demarkcus-Bowman-at-Lakeland-216595/RecruitRankHistory/ He was rated 63rd to start and 38th preseason by 247sports. Yes he moved up a whopping 5 spots after the STA game. He moved up further with a 4.47 and juking defenders at the STA marketed combine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Just looked at the 32 NFL draft picks from FL in 2019 and 75% attended public schools 24 vs 8. Probably a similar % with FBS recruits from the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 22 hours ago, Columbiafan said: Nice so use what happen in past decades to say who better now Using current numbers of FBS players and nfl drafted players in each state is best method for who best in the current climate because it is the most relevant data point for recent gauge of talent BTW Ohio has a ton of hall of famers Are they on same level of TX and FL? Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: Los posts the way he does because he a jackass who doesn't actually see the games Your a good poster golf but for the love of every sanity bone in your body, quit trying to give that troll Los credibility It died out a long time ago Now to more important parts I think the reason some west coast players and teams get more focus than FL players is there isn't any national database of recruits based out of FL like their is in CA (maxpreps) No recruits don't need it but be real, when teams face a team like STA and do well they generate more attention than when they beat up on Bartow Hell look at all the publicity Columbia got for playing IMG and winning, instantly people starting talking and we got a blip on the national map and now we have 3 players with over 10 offers Would that have happened without the game? Maybe but it sure as hell raised some stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: Just looked at the 32 NFL draft picks from FL in 2019 and 75% attended public schools 24 vs 8. Probably a similar % with FBS recruits from the state. Weren't almost half of the players in the first round also unrated coming out of high school? I think like 12 of the 32 weren't rated with a star ranking (I may not have exact number but I can find it if I have to) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, nptb17 said: Yes! What keeps Ohio on the same level as FL and TX? From a outsider perspective it feels like the state has been in decline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 https://www.ajc.com/blog/high-school-sports/georgians-taken-nfl-draft-are-below-par-but-top-nationally/EbO0lbAhmuY9EvCIYyIKhK/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 6 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: What keeps Ohio on the same level as FL and TX? From a outsider perspective it feels like the state has been in decline Are we talking high school ball or number of recruits from the states? As far as quality of play, Ohio is second to none which has been my stance forever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 minute ago, nptb17 said: Are we talking high school ball or number of recruits from the states? As far as quality of play, Ohio is second to none which has been my stance forever. Both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Both I don't have an answer for number of recruits being down other than population change. As far as quality of play in Ohio, it hasn't dropped off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 3 minutes ago, nptb17 said: I don't have an answer for number of recruits being down other than population change. As far as quality of play in Ohio, it hasn't dropped off. If it hasn't dropped off than perhaps other states like TX, FL, CA and GA have just gotten better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 35 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Weren't almost half of the players in the first round also unrated coming out of high school? I think like 12 of the 32 weren't rated with a star ranking (I may not have exact number but I can find it if I have to) I'd like to see a list of all of the 32 FL recruits ratings from 247sports and can discuss. Round 1 had 5 recruits and the lowest rated was a 3 star (Baker). So 27 to go Just looking that the names I heard of from HS days, 2nd round Taylor and Mullen I'm sure were rated. Hill no idea. 3rd round I would check Joihnson Toledo maybe, 4th round would be surprised if any didn't have a rating. 5th round not sure about a few names. Anyways, if you have a chance to check and list go for it. 12 seems a bit high to me but who knows, let's see. Cajuste from Miramar I just checked out of interest and he was a 3 star. I thought he might have been not rated. 26 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Columbiafan said: If it hasn't dropped off than perhaps other states like TX, FL, CA and GA have just gotten better Georgia doesn't play better football than Ohio period. 30 for 30 Ohio is playing with anyone. Ohio had 3 top 30 type teams last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 minute ago, nptb17 said: Georgia doesn't play better football than Ohio period. 30 for 30 Ohio is playing with anyone. Ohio had 3 top 30 type teams last season. Maybe not but the gap isn't as deep as it was at one point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: I'd like to see a list of all of the 32 FL recruits ratings from 247sports and can discuss. Round 1 had 5 recruits and the lowest rated was a 3 star (Baker). So 27 to go Just looking that the names I heard of from HS days, 2nd round Taylor and Mullen I'm sure were rated. Hill no idea. 3rd round I would check Joihnson Toledo maybe, 4th round would be surprised if any didn't have a rating. 5th round not sure about a few names. Anyways, if you have a chance to check and list go for it. 12 seems a bit high to me but who knows, let's see. The star rating system is so biased it's crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: I'd like to see a list of all of the 32 FL recruits ratings from 247sports and can discuss. Round 1 had 5 recruits and the lowest rated was a 3 star (Baker). So 27 to go Just looking that the names I heard of from HS days, 2nd round Taylor and Mullen I'm sure were rated. Hill no idea. 3rd round I would check Joihnson Toledo maybe, 4th round would be surprised if any didn't have a rating. 5th round not sure about a few names. Anyways, if you have a chance to check and list go for it. 12 seems a bit high to me but who knows, let's see. Cajuste Miramar I just checked out of interest and he was a 3 star. I thought he might have been not rated. 26 now. Oh I'm not sure on the FL ones I was just talking first round picks in general Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Just now, nptb17 said: The star rating system is so biased it's crazy. Yeah we had a 3 or 4 star OT a few years ago who transferred to fort white his junior year after having SEC offers He couldn't even start here, why he got rated and got those offers?? He was 6'5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Those star ratings seem to have a unsafe clinginess to size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Columbiafan said: Yeah we had a 3 or 4 star OT a few years ago who transferred to fort white his junior year after having SEC offers He couldn't even start here, why he got rated and got those offers?? He was 6'5 Must have been a camp warrior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Just now, nptb17 said: Must have been a camp warrior. He did go to a lot of camps so that probably helped his cause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Columbiafan said: Oh I'm not sure on the FL ones I was just talking first round picks in general My mistake, I was on the FL theme. That would be a high number though for first round. As far as diamonds in the rough from FL I wonder how many of the 32 were not rated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Just now, golfaddict1 said: My mistake, I was on the FL theme. That would be a high number though for first round. As far as diamonds in the rough from FL I wonder how many of the 32 were not rated. I'll see if I can find the one tweet I saw about the first round and I might look around and see if anyone has the data on the FL players drafted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: My mistake, I was on the FL theme. That would be a high number though for first round. As far as diamonds in the rough from FL I wonder how many of the 32 were not rated. Here it is, that's the post i saw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Even though it was last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 @golfaddict1 https://247sports.com/League/NFL/DraftPicks/?year=2019&round=2&mock=0 This link may be what you looking for It had each round as well as what their ratings were coming out of high school 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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