Atticus Finch Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 40 minutes ago, badrouter said: “General consensus”, in this day and age, is often something fabricated by legacy and social media. No, the general consensus is what the vast majority of doctors/scientists in the major health departments recommend. You have clearly been exposed as someone who bounces around based on what a doctor or expert says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 33 minutes ago, badrouter said: There remains a very vocal contingent STILL pushing for lockdowns, school closures etc. This clown points to one unverified Twitter account. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 16 hours ago, badrouter said: The collapse continues: Leanna Wen, beloved leftist commentator, who’s called cloth masks “face decorations”, calls for an end to mask disciplinary measures post-Omnicron. Communists around the world, such as Eric Feigl-Ding, scramble desperately to refute her. Who is this beloved leftist? Never heard of her but I don't follow people on twitter nor do I get any information from anybody on twitter. Serious advice: Stay off social media. It's not good for you. I gave this advice to my brother too. He ignored it and is still battling reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: This clown points to one unverified Twitter account. 😄 Why is random people on twitter so compelling that somebody would consider it evidence of anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 5 minutes ago, World Citizen said: Why is random people on twitter so compelling that somebody would consider it evidence of anything? Because that's never the point. The point is not to make a reasonable or compelling argument. It's to find reinforcement for their preconceived position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Just now, World Citizen said: Who is this beloved leftist? Never heard of her but I don't follow people on twitter nor do I get any information from anybody on twitter. Serious advice: Stay off social media. It's not good for you. I gave this advice to my brother too. He ignored it and is still battling reality. Is your comparison implying that kids who actively have Covid should be allowed in school? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted January 31, 2022 Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 Your leaders can all go eat shit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: No, the general consensus is what the vast majority of doctors/scientists in the major health departments recommend. You have clearly been exposed as someone who bounces around based on what a doctor or expert says. There were/are many aspects of the pandemic management for which a consensus has not emerged. The *appearance* of a consensus sometimes is presented by legacy media. Sometimes, that is an illusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 31, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, World Citizen said: Why is random people on twitter so compelling that somebody would consider it evidence of anything? Those random people often have fairly large followings and present themselves as being experts who are part of a common sense consensus. And many people believe them. Eric Ding is an obvious example. He was a total nobody on Twitter…who’s managed to get himself on National TV as an “expert”. All because of Twitter posts that went “viral”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted February 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 Dr. Leanna Wen helps explain the Urgency of Normal toolkit linked in this thread. The notion that “the doctors all agree with all the mandates and it’s only the rare quacks and grifters who aren’t onboard” is completely false. The number of doctors signing on to the UON project are too many to count. Wen radio appearance Urgency of Normal signatories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, badrouter said: The notion that “the doctors all agree with all the mandates and it’s only the rare quacks and grifters who aren’t onboard” is completely false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted February 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said: It may be a strawman among the few folks on this board. Big picture, legacy and social media included, it is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted February 3, 2022 Report Share Posted February 3, 2022 On 1/31/2022 at 11:25 AM, badrouter said: Those random people often have fairly large followings and present themselves as being experts who are part of a common sense consensus. And many people believe them. Eric Ding is an obvious example. He was a total nobody on Twitter…who’s managed to get himself on National TV as an “expert”. All because of Twitter posts that went “viral”. They present themselves as experts huh? You mean your common sense consensus. Never heard of Eric Ding. I don't follow people on twitter or any other site like that. My advice stands. Stay off social media. You're over the top loony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted February 4, 2022 Report Share Posted February 4, 2022 https://www.city-journal.org/school-mask-mandates-are-unnecessary ...In general, Covid is mercifully sparing kids, yet adults are seemingly, inexplicably, targeting them, making them suffer needlessly and in defiance of the data—that is, in defiance of the science. Based on statistics provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), a 74-year-old who dies of Covid-19 is slightly younger than the median—or typical—Covid victim has been in the United States. Out of every 1,000 people who have died of (or with) Covid in the U.S., 515 have been at least 75 years old, 484 have been adults under the age of 75, and one has been a kid (someone under the age of 18). In fact, people who have died of Covid-19 in the U.S. have been split about evenly into four age groups: About a quarter (26 percent) have been at least 85 years old, about a quarter (26 percent) between 75 and 84, about a quarter (23 percent) between 65 and 74, and about a quarter (25 percent) between 30 and 64. Less than one percent (0.7 percent) of Covid deaths in the U.S. have involved someone under the age of 30, and most of those have involved someone between the ages of 25 and 29. Again, that’s based on the CDC’s numbers. Across the more than two years from January 1, 2020 to January 15, 2022, per the CDC’s statistics and population figures from the U.S. Census Bureau, 99.7 percent of adults did not die of Covid—either because they didn’t get it, or because they got it and survived it. Meanwhile, 99.999 percent of kids (those under 18) did not die of Covid. The portion of adults who did die of Covid was 0.33 percent. The portion of kids who died of Covid was 0.00098 percent. Clearly, these are not small differences. Indeed, the heightened danger that Covid poses to the old in relation to the young is somewhat amazing. In the U.S., those age 85 or older have had more than 3,000 times the chance of dying of Covid-19, per capita, as those under the age of 18. Even those in their thirties have had 35 times the chance of dying of Covid-19, per capita, as those under 18. As well as providing figures on kids ages 0-17, the CDC narrows its national statistics to the age range of most school-age kids—those ages 5–17. These stats reveal that, through January 15 of this year, 99.95 percent of Covid-related deaths in the U.S.—or 1,839 out of every 1,840 Covid-related deaths—were not of school-age kids. Some might be surprised to learn that Covid has not even been the cause of the majority of deaths of school-age kids during the Covid period. More might be surprised to learn just how far this has been from being the case: out of every 50 school-age kids (ages 5–17) who have died during the Covid period, only one has died of (or with) Covid. Again, that’s based on the CDC’s statistics. These are nationwide statistics. But, of course, there has been a huge difference in mask policies toward kids—and others—across the several states. Under Governor Ron DeSantis, Florida’s children have lived freely, except in particular localities that have imposed their own mandates. Under Governor Gavin Newsom, by contrast, California’s kids have lived a masked existence, with partial exceptions in counties (such as Orange) where Newsom’s decrees have been only loosely enforced. Children’s lives have been radically different in these two states. As long as they haven’t ventured into Walt Disney World—which apparently thinks that required mask-wearing is compatible with being the most magical place on earth—kids in Florida have been free to live like kids. In California, however, unless they’ve been raised in a liberty-loving place like Huntington Beach and been home-schooled, children have been forced to live like minimum-security prisoners. The result? From January 1, 2020, to January 15, 2022, 99.999 percent of kids in California didn’t die of Covid—either because they didn’t get it, or because they recovered from it. Over that same span of time, 99.999 percent of kids in Florida didn’t die of Covid. Both states’ numbers matched the national average. So, where would you rather be growing up? Or take two adjacent states with very different attitudes toward the masking of the American kid. Under Governor Kate Brown, Oregon’s schoolchildren are required to be masked in schools, as well as when they enter other buildings apart from private residences. Directly across Oregon’s eastern border, meantime, under Governor Brad Little, Idaho has not had a mask mandate at any time during the pandemic, either in or out of schools. From January 1, 2020, to January 15, 2022, Oregon had just two Covid-related deaths of kids (those under age 18); Idaho, with about half the population, had just one—giving kids in each state a Covid survival rate of 100.000 percent, or 99.9998 percent when taken out to the fourth decimal point. A huge difference in freedom produced no difference in fatality rates.... ...34 states did not have statewide school mask mandates in place as of mid-January. The CDC doesn’t provide stats on kids’ deaths for one of these states: Maine. In the other 33 free states, taken in combination, 99.999 percent of kids didn’t die of Covid—the same percentage as in the mask-mandate states over the same span of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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