Atticus Finch Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 23 minutes ago, 181pl said: Has STA lost a game in the last 30 years where they were simply out played and beaten by a better team Of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 25 Report Share Posted January 25 23 minutes ago, 181pl said: or did they lose because of unforeseen or unfair factors? This is classic coming form you. One of the biggest self-pitying whiners on this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCGridiron Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: One of the biggest self-pitying whiners on this forum. You broke that mold cupcake. Aquinas won't play Central again and IMG ever. And why? Because they don't want to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 Always deflecting. We know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 11 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: Dade had all-time teams in 1993 (Southridge), 1996-97 (Carol City) and 1998 (Northwestern) long before that time. But let's be honest here: Lakeland didn't play them because of lack of "super" teams. We know that because at that time Lakeland did play *other* Dade County teams. Here is a comprehensive list of the South Florida teams Lakeland played, all at home, during the last 30 years: Lakeland purposefully played bad teams. The correct answer to the question of why didn't Lakeland play games like this in the past is easy: They didn't want to. The facts in this area so strongly favor me that I'm inclined to let you regroup, review the facts and then wave the white flag. Dade has always had an abundance of great players, and often had teams good enough to win state titles, but never had super-stacked teams until MNW in 2006-07 and beyond. I will offer a tidbit to give some perspective: In 1986, Lakeland won a state title in the largest classification. They won it in a road game at...Dunedin. Most/all would exclaim "Dunedin??! LOL". What isn't known is WHY it was Dunedin that Lakeland had to beat. The reason it was Dunedin is that Miami Carol City- which had beaten Northwestern and Columbus without yielding a single point in either game- lost to Dunedin. Lakeland didn't have to play Northwestern or Columbus or Carol City because it was Dunedin that came out of that side of the bracket. That sort of thing is unfathomable today. Those three teams you mentioned were nothing compared to the super teams of today. The 1996 Carol City team lost 31-19 to Sarasota Riverview. Dade and Broward teams getting blasted on the suncoast weren't uncommon in those days. 1998 Northwestern trailed Jackson 14-2 with just over two minutes to play before miraculously pulling out a 15-14 win. Compile the number of players on those teams with major college scholarships and compare them to what elite teams have today and it's not close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 10 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: They sought and played bad teams from 3+ hours away frequently. It was an explicit scheduling strategy. What makes your routine here so funny is that this is all open record. It's not hard to find out this stuff. It's there for all to see. It was a financial decision. Only piss poor programs destined to disappear don't make financial considerations in scheduling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 9 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: 1980: Edison, W 55-6 2002: Booker T. Washington, W 24-8 2016: Booker T. Washington, L 27-23 So, what you're saying is, come August, in this century STA will have played at Traz Powell twice and Lakeland once. The trip from Lakeland High to Traz powell is 4 hours. From STA, the trip is thirty minutes. Okie dokie! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 The games I mentioned are on Youtube. The 1998 Northwestern win over Jackson is one of the most shocking(ly bad) collapses in high school history: MNW-Jackson 1998 The 1996 Riverview Rams smacked "all-time team" Carol City 31-19. See here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, badrouter said: The facts in this area so strongly favor me that I'm inclined to let you regroup, review the facts and then wave the white flag. I posted an entire list of slapdicks that Lakeland purposefully plucked from Dade/Broward Counties and yet you think that you have a trump card because you lied about the history of great teams in Dade County? I won't let you regroup, ever, despite consistently nailing you to the wall on this schedules stuff. A person of normal intelligence and/or dignity would've just admitted it and let it be. You, however, are determined to continue taking shellackings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, badrouter said: Dade has always had an abundance of great players, and often had teams good enough to win state titles, but never had super-stacked teams until MNW in 2006-07 and beyond. These are the kind of strawmen that you routinely erect. Why would it need to be a super team? Lakeland lost to *Estero* at home in 1998. They lost to an STA team in 1997 that played 1.5 quarters with a defensive back playing quarterback. That was also at home. They lost by 34 points to Riverview in the first round of the 1993 playoffs. Lakeland would've probably lost in the majority of the games I just mentioned. Yet, badrouter dismisses these games as not serious because they weren't super teams. A totally unserious person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, badrouter said: In 1986, Lakeland won a state title in the largest classification. They won it in a road game at...Dunedin. Most/all would exclaim "Dunedin??! LOL". What isn't known is WHY it was Dunedin that Lakeland had to beat. The reason it was Dunedin is that Miami Carol City- which had beaten Northwestern and Columbus without yielding a single point in either game- lost to Dunedin. Lakeland didn't have to play Northwestern or Columbus or Carol City because it was Dunedin that came out of that side of the bracket. That sort of thing is unfathomable today. And? We went from talking about the 1990's to you changing the subject to 1986 for no other reason than you were cornered and check-mated in the actual topic. You are such a dodgy little twit that you constantly have to do this stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, badrouter said: Those three teams you mentioned were nothing compared to the super teams of today. The 1996 Carol City team lost 31-19 to Sarasota Riverview. Dade and Broward teams getting blasted on the suncoast weren't uncommon in those days. 1998 Northwestern trailed Jackson 14-2 with just over two minutes to play before miraculously pulling out a 15-14 win. Compile the number of players on those teams with major college scholarships and compare them to what elite teams have today and it's not close. Again, and? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, badrouter said: It was a financial decision. Only piss poor programs destined to disappear don't make financial considerations in scheduling. This is so pathetic that I'm embarrassed for you. First, you claim that the "schedule stuff is overboard" and then when confronted with the simplest of evidence you concede and merely state that it was about money. No shit. Lakeland played purposefully bad schedules for 40 years because they wanted easy gates and easy wins. So then why have you spent so much time, and shed so much dignity, trying to claim that it's not true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, badrouter said: So, what you're saying is, come August, in this century STA will have played at Traz Powell twice and Lakeland once. The trip from Lakeland High to Traz powell is 4 hours. From STA, the trip is thirty minutes. Okie dokie! Everybody knew that when confronted with incontrovertible facts you would shift the subject to STA and try to pull some move like this. As of the 2023 season, Lakeland has played *FORTY* straight regular games against Dade/Broward teams at home without making a single trip to South Florida. With this exemplary record of dodgery, badrouter pathetically attempts to gain sympathy for Lakeland by.....saying that a third party program made a far more commensurate number of trips to *one* Dade County stadium vs. the number of home games they played? Yes, he actually did just try that. Pitiful for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 47 minutes ago, badrouter said: The games I mentioned are on Youtube. The 1998 Northwestern win over Jackson is one of the most shocking(ly bad) collapses in high school history: MNW-Jackson 1998 So 15-0 and national top 5 team Northwestern must bury their heads in collective shame for *winning* a huge playoff game against their biggest rival while 13-1 Lakeland, who lost to *Estero* at home, is able to just flippantly dismiss any such challenge. I'd say that this is peak badrouter but I've see him be much, much worse and more groveling than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 40 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: I posted an entire list of slapdicks that Lakeland purposefully plucked from Dade/Broward Counties and yet you think that you have a trump card because you lied about the history of great teams in Dade County? I won't let you regroup, ever, despite consistently nailing you to the wall on this schedules stuff. A person of normal intelligence and/or dignity would've just admitted it and let it be. You, however, are determined to continue taking shellackings. Lost on the minds of casual observers is the fact that Lakeland is a four-hour drive from Miami. It's silly to make that trip, unless you're getting a check. And the broke Dade athletic departments weren't going to offer that to Lakeland. Oddly, an STA guy calls Lakeland out for not traveling four hours to play in Dade, while his own STA almost never plays in Dade. How many times has STA made the 30-minute drive to play at Central, MNW, BTW, Columbus etc? It's a number barely higher than Lakeland's... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 40 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: These are the kind of strawmen that you routinely erect. Why would it need to be a super team? Lakeland lost to *Estero* at home in 1998. They lost to an STA team in 1997 that played 1.5 quarters with a defensive back playing quarterback. That was also at home. They lost by 34 points to Riverview in the first round of the 1993 playoffs. Lakeland would've probably lost in the majority of the games I just mentioned. Yet, badrouter dismisses these games as not serious because they weren't super teams. A totally unserious person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 43 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Again, and? You said those were "all-time teams". They weren't anything compared to the loaded teams of today. Not in a single aspect or metric... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 34 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: So 15-0 and national top 5 team Northwestern must bury their heads in collective shame for *winning* a huge playoff game against their biggest rival while 13-1 Lakeland, who lost to *Estero* at home, is able to just flippantly dismiss any such challenge. I'd say that this is peak badrouter but I've see him be much, much worse and more groveling than this. I can't stop laughing. You said Northwestern was an "all-time team", and I showed they needed a miracle from a terribly coached Jackson team to win by a point at the buzzer. i made no mention of 1998 Lakeland. But, of course your move is to go there because it's more fun to think about their loss where Houston North Shore's assistant coach was injured and out than to think about what happened the previous week. Now that we are talking 1998 Lakeland (thanks!), you ever get the film from STA's last playoff game that year at Brian Piccolo? I've still never seen that game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 CalPreps FL top 20 ratings from 2019 - 2023 (5 year period) Lakeland: State of FL 10th Top 1000 rated opponent games 19th out of 20 (25, 15-10) SOS opponent rating 17th out of 20 (30.3) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 16 minutes ago, golfaddict1 said: CalPreps FL top 20 ratings from 2019 - 2023 (5 year period) Lakeland: State of FL 10th Top 1000 rated opponent games 19th out of 20 (25, 15-10) SOS opponent rating 17th out of 20 (30.3) And Venice is 5th. So, we can take calpreps with a grain of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, badrouter said: Lost on the minds of casual observers is the fact that Lakeland is a four-hour drive from Miami. It's silly to make that trip, unless you're getting a check. It's not lost at all since we mentioned that early on. Everybody knows what Lakeland is doing and why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, badrouter said: Oddly, an STA guy calls Lakeland out for not traveling four hours to play in Dade, while his own STA almost never plays in D You do realize that there's more than one stadium in Dade County, right? Because it doesn't seem like you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, badrouter said: How many times has STA made the 30-minute drive to play at Central, MNW, BTW, Columbus etc? It's a number barely higher than Lakeland's... We also haven't played *FORTY* regular season games against South Florida teams in the last 30 years and not made a single return trip. Which was, you know, the actual point. It's also not lost on people how you consistently dance around the actual points while completely absolving Lakeland of any shame for using these tactics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted January 26 Report Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, badrouter said: You said those were "all-time teams". They weren't anything compared to the loaded teams of today. So I said one thing and then you strawmanned another. Yeah, that tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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