For All the Posters that Harp of how Great the Economy is: Food for Thought!

[NorCalRuss]

1 minute ago, Belly Bob said:

Why would you think that?

You said your school is rated as one of best because the kids parents are professors. 

So there’s either 1000s of professors in your town or there is teens in population in your schools. 

I was just fking with you but numbers would be crazy if your statement were close to true  

 

[Belly Bob]

2 hours ago, Mjd33 said:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-affirmative-action

This case started last week and I’ll be excited when it gets to the Supreme Court. African Americans and Hispanics get few hundred point bumps on the SATs and Asians get docked 60 or more. Fuck that noise. 

Remove applicants names to the admissions office and eliminate the box Checked for race. 

If Harvard is 90% Asian in the future than so be it. It’s about time Asian Americans said enough is enough of this affirmative action bullshit. 

Harvard and other elite academic institutions shouldn’t only be concerned their catalogs look like Gap advertisements. 

And admitting students solely based on race does them no favors trust me. When they struggle in the difficult classes graded on curves it’s partly the Admissions fault. 

A Upenn law professor who’s been there 20 or so years got in hot water for saying no black has ever graduated in the top quarter of the class. He further expanded on that and said he couldn’t remember a black law student at penn graduating in the top 50% of the class. I’m sure you can imagine the backlash for just simply stating facts.

They claim that, among other things, they want to produce a racially diverse campus.

I'm not arguing that that's right, but it's hard to argue that you're unfairly discriminating against certain students on the basis of race if one your expressly stated goals is to produce a racially diverse campus. 

[Belly Bob]

41 minutes ago, NorCalRuss said:

You said your school is rated as one of best because the kids parents are professors. 

So there’s either 1000s of professors in your town or there is teens in population in your schools. 

I was just fking with you but numbers would be crazy if your statement were close to true  

There are thousands of professors in my town.

I would think that's true in most college towns.

We had a kid who graduated from our local high school and then went to the local university and did exceptionally well there and then went to Poland for a year on a prestigious scholarship and then to medical school and is now a physician. And the high school wanted to do a story on him, and he said that he has nothing good to say about the high school or its teachers and that his parents prepared him for college. So as you might imagine, the story never made it to print. I know about it because I know his sister. 

[Belly Bob]

4 hours ago, concha said:

Frankly, if one of my kids said "Dad, I want to study psychology or English or sociology when I go to college", we'd sit down and have a serious talk. If they want to minor in something like that or get a dual major along with something more marketable, then fine.

That's good. More parents should do that.

But in the meantime, we're at 1.7 trillion dollars in student loan debt, and it's projected to increase, not decrease. 

So someone in office might want to take a look at that, since that'll slow the country down a bit. 

[RedZone]

11 hours ago, Belly Bob said:

That's good. More parents should do that.

But in the meantime, we're at 1.7 trillion dollars in student loan debt, and it's projected to increase, not decrease. 

So someone in office might want to take a look at that, since that'll slow the country down a bit. 

If one of my kids said "Dad, I want to study psychology or English or sociology when I go to college" that's EXACTLY what they would study without question from me. We will pay for it and bless it.

My wife and I will teach our kids how to market and network themselves as we are doing now

 

 

[DarterBlue]

47 minutes ago, RedZone said:

If one of my kids said "Dad, I want to study psychology or English or sociology when I go to college" that's EXACTLY what they would study without question from me. We will pay for it and bless it.

My wife and I will teach our kids how to market and network themselves as we are doing now

 

 

Actually, I have found the few courses I did in Psychology to be as useful as the entire Finance major I did in graduate school, and Economics major in undergrad; when it comes to navigating financial markets, emotion and irrational human behavior gives one that can understand it, a huge edge.

The day to day action of the financial markets is literally applied Psychology in action. 

[DarterBlue]

26 minutes ago, Drummer61 said:

Why not follow your son,join him and his disdain for America.....Be happy 💪 Those not happy Should all leave and I doubt your sons sentiment is the majority.....Either way we all wish him well and you too may consider leaving since you complain often...Under nobama you shut your mouth, maybr that should continue under this DULY ELECTED ....Give him and his policies a chance Mr Socialist...Your about as fair minded as Lenin...

1. I do not believe he has disdain for America. He left because he thought he could do better in the Far East. He always had a liking for Eastern culture and taught himself Japanese via the internet long before he left the USA in 2011.

2. If I leave it certainly would not be because of you. It would be because I have concluded it is not in my interest to remain. That could happen under the current President, whom I hold in disdain. But we will see what happens over the next two years.

3. Sticks and stones and all that. I refuse to reciprocate.

[HSFBfan]

13 hours ago, Belly Bob said:

That's good. More parents should do that.

But in the meantime, we're at 1.7 trillion dollars in student loan debt, and it's projected to increase, not decrease. 

So someone in office might want to take a look at that, since that'll slow the country down a bit. 

Remember BB.....college are a business and as much as we all hate rising costs they are allowed to charge whatever they feel fit to charge. Now it is our right to say thank you but no thank you and I'll go somewhere else. And if the vocation training came into play and millions of kids decided to go thay route and college started losing significant money thay would be the only way to change it. Until then expect tuition around 80k in the upcoming future 

[Belly Bob]

4 hours ago, RedZone said:

If one of my kids said "Dad, I want to study psychology or English or sociology when I go to college" that's EXACTLY what they would study without question from me. We will pay for it and bless it.

My wife and I will teach our kids how to market and network themselves as we are doing now

 

4 hours ago, DarterBlue said:

Actually, I have found the few courses I did in Psychology to be as useful as the entire Finance major I did in graduate school, and Economics major in undergrad; when it comes to navigating financial markets, emotion and irrational human behavior gives one that can understand it, a huge edge.

The day to day action of the financial markets is literally applied Psychology in action. 

I didn't mean to suggest that psychology or English wasn't useful or valuable in some way or other.

But the evidence shows that psychology graduates, for example, make about 1K per year more on average than people who have no degree at all.

It would be irrational, in my opinion, to take on 30K of debt to secure for yourself a 4-year degree in psychology, on the available evidence. 

If your parents are happy to pay for it, or you can pick up another major in something else at the same time, or you've got a reasonable plan to use that as a necessary first step toward a more lucrative degree -- maybe a graduate degree in psychology that would secure you a well-paying job as a mental health professional -- that's different.

[Belly Bob]

2 hours ago, HSFBfan said:

Remember BB.....college are a business and as much as we all hate rising costs they are allowed to charge whatever they feel fit to charge. Now it is our right to say thank you but no thank you and I'll go somewhere else. And if the vocation training came into play and millions of kids decided to go thay route and college started losing significant money thay would be the only way to change it. Until then expect tuition around 80k in the upcoming future 

I think we should get back to that in a big way.

Parents, especially those who haven't saved for college, should be encouraging their kids to get professional certificates or two-year degrees from community colleges and to seek jobs in medicine or tech or whatever.

There are a lot of good jobs as radiation technicians or dental hygienists, which a person could land in half the time and at a small fraction of the cost.

Instead, students wander into psychology because it's interesting and it's not too difficult, but 5 years later, they're still waiting tables, because it pays better and is more interesting than the shit office jobs they're offered as an alternative, but now they'll be paying 400 bucks a month for the next 20 to the Department of Education. 

[HSFBfan]

4 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

I think we should get back to that in a big way.

Parents, especially those who haven't saved for college, should be encouraging their kids to get professional certificates or two-year degrees from community colleges and to seek jobs in medicine or tech or whatever.

There are a lot of good jobs as radiation technicians or dental hygienists, which a person could land in half the time and at a small fraction of the cost.

Instead, students wander into psychology because it's interesting and it's not too difficult, but 5 years later, they're still waiting tables, because it pays better and is more interesting than the shit office jobs they're offered as an alternative, but now they'll be paying 400 bucks a month for the next 20 to the Department of Education. 

I agree with you but please put some responsibility on the colleges. They havent changed majors or curriculum in ages. Colleges tout that they have a big number of majors but how many of them are viable. Colleges should be slashing majors that are useless today and come into the age of today. If that means making apps majors for cell phones or whatever than so be it. Everything today is digital. College need to focus on a lot of digital platforms when it comes to majors. 

My point is college needs to look at job boards and see what real life jobs want coming out. Go look at the top 100 jobs and go from there. Everything else gets cut with the understanding if those jobs come back and they are viable they are offered again. 

[Belly Bob]

25 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

I agree with you but please put some responsibility on the colleges. They havent changed majors or curriculum in ages. Colleges tout that they have a big number of majors but how many of them are viable. Colleges should be slashing majors that are useless today and come into the age of today. If that means making apps majors for cell phones or whatever than so be it. Everything today is digital. College need to focus on a lot of digital platforms when it comes to majors. 

My point is college needs to look at job boards and see what real life jobs want coming out. Go look at the top 100 jobs and go from there. Everything else gets cut with the understanding if those jobs come back and they are viable they are offered again. 

Well, I disagree.

A university isn't a trade school. And we shouldn't run the two together.

Universities should remain places where people study Shakespeare and Locke and Beethoven, even if that won't help you get a job.

But universities should be more honest about the purely economic value of various degrees. And they should do better for their students in all sorts of other ways too.

It's complicated. We spend millions on state-of-the-art gyms because that's what students want, and "we" want to recruit the next class of students who might decide to go elsewhere, because our funding depends in part on enrollment. But of course the students pay for that gym. 

Harvard was founded when a handful of guys dragged some old books into a building. There are ways to make it much cheaper for students, but they wan't a big room at the rec center dedicated to rock climbing. So we build it, and then we increase tuition. 

[HSFBfan]

3 minutes ago, Belly Bob said:

Well, I disagree.

A university isn't a trade school. And we shouldn't run the two together.

Universities should remain places where people study Shakespeare and Locke and Beethoven, even if that won't help you get a job.

But universities should be more honest about the purely economic value of various degrees. And they should do better for their students in all sorts of other ways too.

It's complicated. We spend millions on state-of-the-art gyms because that's what students want, and "we" want to recruit the next class of students who might decide to go elsewhere, because our funding depends in part on enrollment. But of course the students pay for that gym. 

Harvard was founded when a handful of guys dragged some old books into a building. There are ways to make it much cheaper for students, but they wan't a big room at the rec center dedicated to rock climbing. So we build it, and then we increase tuition. 

1) how does that make any sense....colleges should be responsible for helping you get a job and be competitive in this world today. So by you say thay would be highly irresponsible of the colleges. 

2) yes colleges need to satisfy students or they would close shop but spending money on viable majors would be a good start and if you cut majors you can cut teachers saving millions of dollars. So then take the millions and put it towards the aspects the students want. 

[Belly Bob]

59 minutes ago, HSFBfan said:

1) how does that make any sense....colleges should be responsible for helping you get a job and be competitive in this world today. So by you say thay would be highly irresponsible of the colleges. 

[...]

Do you have an argument or something?

Universities should be responsible for doing research and discovering new, unobvious truths about the world.

They should also be responsible for introducing young people to ideas in history and politics and literature and art that they might not have otherwise been introduced to, because those things are important, and the world would be shit without them.

They should also be responsible for teaching people how to think and to write clearly, since there isn't much of a difference between the two.

These things are important, not only for the individuals who are lucky enough to be introduced to them, but for the rest of us also who live amongst such people. 

I think you're confusing the purpose of a university with the purpose of a trade school. Trade schools are responsible for getting their students jobs.

[RedZone]

1 hour ago, Belly Bob said:

Do you have an argument or something?

Universities should be responsible for doing research and discovering new, unobvious truths about the world.

They should also be responsible for introducing young people to ideas in history and politics and literature and art that they might not have otherwise been introduced to, because those things are important, and the world would be shit without them.

They should also be responsible for teaching people how to think and to write clearly, since there isn't much of a difference between the two.

These things are important, not only for the individuals who are lucky enough to be introduced to them, but for the rest of us also who live amongst such people. 

I think you're confusing the purpose of a university with the purpose of a trade school. Trade schools are responsible for getting their students jobs.

He blames his lack of success in life on the college he claims he attended.

hsfb promotes trump better than he promotes himself.

Funny how that works.

[HSFBfan]

1 hour ago, Belly Bob said:

Do you have an argument or something?

Universities should be responsible for doing research and discovering new, unobvious truths about the world.

They should also be responsible for introducing young people to ideas in history and politics and literature and art that they might not have otherwise been introduced to, because those things are important, and the world would be shit without them.

They should also be responsible for teaching people how to think and to write clearly, since there isn't much of a difference between the two.

These things are important, not only for the individuals who are lucky enough to be introduced to them, but for the rest of us also who live amongst such people. 

I think you're confusing the purpose of a university with the purpose of a trade school. Trade schools are responsible for getting their students jobs.

Lets just disagree on the subject. Maybe we can agree on something else. 

[RedZone]

8 hours ago, HSFBfan said:

Lets just disagree on the subject. Maybe we can agree on something else. 

Maybe you can agree on light bulbs....