Whiteshoes Top 100 - November 13

[whiteshoes]

1.       Bellflower (CA) St. John Bosco (12-0)

2.       Allen (TX) (10-0)

3.       Corona (CA) Centennial (12-0)

4.       Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei (10-2)

5.       Houston (TX) North Shore (10-0)

6.       Bradenton (FL) IMG Academy (7-1)

7.       Norman Park (GA) Colquitt County (11-0)

8.       Baltimore (MD) St. Frances Academy (7-0)

9.       Miami (FL) Carol City (9-2)

10.   Washington (DC) St. Johns (9-1)

11.   Honolulu (HI) St. Louis (10-0)

12.   Concord (CA) De LaSalle (11-0)

13.   Baton Rouge (LA) University Lab (10-0)

14.   Miami (FL) Central (9-2)

15.   Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central (12-0)

16.   Akron (OH) Archbishop Hoban (12-0)

17.   Fort Lauderdale (FL) St. Thomas Aquinas (10-1)

18.   Westlake Village (CA) Oaks Christian (12-0)

19.   Rome (GA) (11-0)

20.   Chandler (AZ) (10-2)

21.   Philadelphia (PA) St. Joseph Prep (9-0)

22.   Katy (TX) (9-1)

23.   Folsom (CA) (10-1)

24.   Cincinnati (OH) Colerain (12-0)

25.   Aledo (TX) (10-0)

26.   Oradell (NJ) Bergen Catholic (9-1)

27.   Irmo (SC) Dutch Fork (9-0)

28.   Converse (TX) Judson (9-0)

29.   Frankfort (IL) Lincoln-Way East (12-0)

30.   Muskegon (MI) (12-0)

31.   Loganville (GA) Grayson (9-2)

32.   Duncanville (TX) (9-0)

33.   Hyattsville (MD) DeMatha (8-2)

34.   Southlake (TX) Carroll (10-0)

35.   Austin (TX) Westlake (9-1)

36.   Phenix City (AL) Central (11-0)

37.   Longview (TX) (10-0)

38.   Peoria (AZ) Centennial (12-0)

39.   San Juan Capistrano (CA) JSerra Catholic (9-3)

40.   North Little Rock (AR) (10-0)

41.   Washington (DC) Gonzaga (8-3)

42.   New Orleans (LA) Edna Karr (11-0)

43.   Montvale (NJ) St. Joseph Regional (8-2)

44.   Austin (TX) Lake Travis (9-1)

45.   Charlotte (NC) Mallard Creek (10-0)

46.   Martinsburg (WV) (11-0)

47.   Leesburg (GA) Lee County (11-0)

48.   Park Hills (KY) Covington Catholic (12-0)

49.   Catawissa (PA) Southern Columbia Area (12-0)

50.   Chantilly (VA) Westfield (11-0)

51.   Brentwood (CA) Liberty (10-0)

52.   Horn Lake (MS) (12-0)

53.   St. Louis (MO) Christian Brothers (10-1)

54.   Houston (TX) Cypress Ranch (10-0)

55.   Broken Arrow (OK) (11-0)

56.   Roswell (GA) Blessed Trinity (11-0)

57.   Mentor (OH) (11-1)

58.   Alcoa (TN) (12-0)

59.   Chicago (IL) Brother Rice (12-0)

60.   Phoenix (AZ) Pinnacle (11-1)

61.   Dallas (TX) Highland Park (10-0)

62.   Highland Springs (VA) (10-0)

63.   Baton Rouge (LA) Catholic (9-1)

64.   Las Vegas (NV) Bishop Gorman (8-3)

65.   Deerfield Beach (FL) (10-1)

66.   Fresno (CA) Central (11-0)

67.   West Point (MS) (11-1)

68.   Buford (GA) (9-2)

69.   Anderson (SC) T.L. Hanna (11-0)

70.   Maryville (TN) (11-1)

71.   Chicago (IL) Marist (11-1)

72.   Powder Springs (GA) Hillgrove (11-0)

73.   Scottsdale (AZ) Saguaro (11-1)

74.   Starkville (MS) (11-1)

75.   Highlands Ranch (CO) Valor Christian (11-0)

76.   Lakeland (FL) (11-0)

77.   River Ridge (LA) John Curtis (11-0)

78.   Hattiesburg (MS) (12-0)

79.   San Bernardino (CA) Cajon (11-1)

80.   Ellenwood (GA)Cedar Grove (10-1)

81.   Wake Forest (NC) (10-0)

82.   Apopka (FL) Wekiva (10-1)

83.   Gilbert (AZ) Highland (11-1)

84.   Pickerington (OH) Central (10-2)

85.   Alabaster (AL) Thompson (9-1)

86.   Sammamish (WA) Eastside Catholic (9-1)

87.   West Monroe (LA) (11-0)

88.   Littleton (CO) Columbine (11-0)

89.   Tampa (FL) Plant (10-1)

90.   Lilburn (GA) Parkview (11-0)

91.   Hoover (AL) (8-3)

92.   Jacksonville (FL) Trinity Christian (11-0)

93.   Draper (UT) Corner Canyon (12-0)

94.   Elk Grove (CA) Monterey Trail (11-0)

95.   Houston (TX) Westfield (9-1)

96.   Gaffney (SC) (9-1)

97.   Huntington (WV) Spring Valley (11-0)

98.   Charlotte (NC) Vance (10-1)

99.   Lakeville (MN) North (11-0)

100.     Brandon (MS) (12-1)

 

[abbatt]

Good morning...

Lincoln-Way East is 12-0, not 11-0. They will be playing Loyola Academy this Saturday at Loyola. It will be LWE`s toughest game this year.

LA is playing great Defense now and they are very tough at home. I may go to the game on Saturday....it`s gonna be cold...projected highs in the high 20`s with wind chills around 15 degrees. Great weather for a big showdown. I`ll go with LWE by 31-17.

The other game is a big South side showdown between 2 Catholic powers...Marist and Brother Rice. In the first game this year...BR won at home 20-16. This time its at Marist....I`ll take them  21-20.

Warren Central looks like a lock in Indiana.

Mishawaka is 12-1 with their only loss to Marist early in the year. Do you think they have a chance to win state in in their class ?

 

 

 

[whiteshoes]

15 minutes ago, abbatt said:

Good morning...

Lincoln-Way East is 12-0, not 11-0. They will be playing Loyola Academy this Saturday at Loyola. It will be LWE`s toughest game this year.

LA is playing great Defense now and they are very tough at home. I may go to the game on Saturday....it`s gonna be cold...projected highs in the high 20`s with wind chills around 15 degrees. Great weather for a big showdown. I`ll go with LWE by 31-17.

The other game is a big South side showdown between 2 Catholic powers...Marist and Brother Rice. In the first game this year...BR won at home 20-16. This time its at Marist....I`ll take them  21-20.

Warren Central looks like a lock in Indiana.

Mishawaka is 12-1 with their only loss to Marist early in the year. Do you think they have a chance to win state in in their class ?

 

 

 

Thanks, had them at 12-0 on my worksheet, just inputted incorrectly.    As far as Mishawaka, they have a very tough opponent this week in Fort Wayne Dwenger     Dwenger destroyed unbeaten Angola last weekend after Angola had defeated the top ranked team in that class (4A) the week before.     Should be a very interesting contest with the winner most likely facing Evansville Central in the championship game.     You are probably correct with Warren Central.     They struggled last week against a very game Lawrence Central team and have an improving Center Grove team this weekend who they only beat by eight in the first game of the season.

[Pops]

Hmmm

appreciate you always throwing something out for us to grumble about 

here’s some Grumbles 

— 2 TX schools in top 5 when neither have really played anyone of note much less any OOS triangulation?  Dunno, I saw north shore at #5 first and thought “well, that’s not unreasonable and they seem to be the team the YX posters like best” then I saw Allen T #2 and thought “Nah”

— couple of minor edits (you’ve given Carol City 2 losses and chandler an extra one)

— Oaks is not top 20 but you’ve got company with that one 

— SFA in top 10 over teams that have challenged themselves and come away unscathed 

 

nice job overall and keep it coming 

[whiteshoes]

4 hours ago, Pops said:

Hmmm

appreciate you always throwing something out for us to grumble about 

here’s some Grumbles 

— 2 TX schools in top 5 when neither have really played anyone of note much less any OOS triangulation?  Dunno, I saw north shore at #5 first and thought “well, that’s not unreasonable and they seem to be the team the YX posters like best” then I saw Allen T #2 and thought “Nah”

— couple of minor edits (you’ve given Carol City 2 losses and chandler an extra one)

— Oaks is not top 20 but you’ve got company with that one 

— SFA in top 10 over teams that have challenged themselves and come away unscathed 

 

nice job overall and keep it coming 

Carol City has two forfeit losses.    I am beginning to think that Houston North Shore is a monster.

[Sammyswordsman]

1 hour ago, whiteshoes said:

Carol City has two forfeit losses.    I am beginning to think that Houston North Shore is a monster.

North Shore has been in Tier 1 for 10 weeks.    Most pollsters are to arrogant to pay attention to the Tiers.  Sad 

[nptb17]

36 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

North Shore has been in Tier 1 for 10 weeks.    Most pollsters are to arrogant to pay attention to the Tiers.  Sad 

You have a team in tier 1 who got 21'd.

[Sammyswordsman]

5 minutes ago, nptb17 said:

You have a team in tier 1 who got 21'd.

By another Tier1 team.  So that flys 

[nptb17]

7 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said:

By another Tier1 team.  So that flys 

No Tier 1 team should ever get 21'd according to you.

[Omaha Vol]

11 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

North Shore has been in Tier 1 for 10 weeks.    Most pollsters are to arrogant to pay attention to the Tiers.  Sad 

I wouldn't say they are arrogant about looking at your tiers, they just don't take them as gospel. 

N. Shore is not a tier above Allen. They are dead even and will settle it on the field in a little over a month. For that matter LWE, although very strong this year, is still not on even keel with the likes of Miami Central, DLS, STA, etc. Maybe some adjustment is in order there. 

SFA is STILL a top 10-15 team in the nation. I wouldn't penalize them because other teams were scared to play them. If they go to the GEICO bowl game and get crushed because they have been playing patsies all year, then they will be ranked accordingly. (I don't think they will get crushed, though).   

[Columbiafan]

16 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

North Shore has been in Tier 1 for 10 weeks.    Most pollsters are to arrogant to pay attention to the Tiers.  Sad 

Most those tiers look good but you are so stubborn to keep putting IMG in tier 1

 

It's not the fact they lost that is the issue

 

It's the fact the best win they had was a Hoover team who is not as strong as they once were, what exactly has IMG proven on the field this season to deserve tier 1, not what they did in past years,  what have they done this season 

 

My understanding is your tiers aren't based on past accomplishments but on how teams would stack up this season

[abbatt]

Omaha Vol,

I completely agree with you about LWE.... Being an IL poster ...I`m happy with the attention that LWE is receiving but they aren`t in the same class with the other tier 1 teams.They are definitely a top 35 team this year but not top 10. I wouldn`t put any team from the Midwest ever in the top 10...and that includes Ohio. Colerain is very good but they never play OOS so how  can you really know. Despite some Ohio posters claiming to the contrary...Ohio is trending slowly down and Is pretty even with IL now from top to bottom. I have been following Midwest football since the early 70`s and While it`s great football......it`s not at the level of play in the South and West.

[Columbiafan]

3 minutes ago, Columbiafan said:

Most those tiers look good but you are so stubborn to keep putting IMG in tier 1

 

It's not the fact they lost that is the issue

 

It's the fact the best win they had was a Hoover team who is not as strong as they once were, what exactly has IMG proven on the field this season to deserve tier 1, not what they did in past years,  what have they done this season 

 

My understanding is your tiers aren't based on past accomplishments but on how teams would stack up this season

I get that IMG has a loaded roster but that doesn't entitle them a high ranking once the season is underway 

 

Preseason sure you can rank a team high based on roster potential but once season starts its all about results and IMG has done nothing special this year to tell me they compare with the past 2 teams they had nor does it tell me they would defeat the other tier 1 teams in the list

 

@Sammyswordsman

[Creekfootball]

On 11/13/2018 at 7:18 AM, whiteshoes said:

1.       Bellflower (CA) St. John Bosco (12-0)

2.       Allen (TX) (10-0)

3.       Corona (CA) Centennial (12-0)

4.       Santa Ana (CA) Mater Dei (10-2)

5.       Houston (TX) North Shore (10-0)

6.       Bradenton (FL) IMG Academy (7-1)

7.       Norman Park (GA) Colquitt County (11-0)

8.       Baltimore (MD) St. Frances Academy (7-0)

9.       Miami (FL) Carol City (9-2)

10.   Washington (DC) St. Johns (9-1)

11.   Honolulu (HI) St. Louis (10-0)

12.   Concord (CA) De LaSalle (11-0)

13.   Baton Rouge (LA) University Lab (10-0)

14.   Miami (FL) Central (9-2)

15.   Indianapolis (IN) Warren Central (12-0)

16.   Akron (OH) Archbishop Hoban (12-0)

17.   Fort Lauderdale (FL) St. Thomas Aquinas (10-1)

18.   Westlake Village (CA) Oaks Christian (12-0)

19.   Rome (GA) (11-0)

20.   Chandler (AZ) (10-2)

21.   Philadelphia (PA) St. Joseph Prep (9-0)

22.   Katy (TX) (9-1)

23.   Folsom (CA) (10-1)

24.   Cincinnati (OH) Colerain (12-0)

25.   Aledo (TX) (10-0)

26.   Oradell (NJ) Bergen Catholic (9-1)

27.   Irmo (SC) Dutch Fork (9-0)

28.   Converse (TX) Judson (9-0)

29.   Frankfort (IL) Lincoln-Way East (12-0)

30.   Muskegon (MI) (12-0)

31.   Loganville (GA) Grayson (9-2)

32.   Duncanville (TX) (9-0)

33.   Hyattsville (MD) DeMatha (8-2)

34.   Southlake (TX) Carroll (10-0)

35.   Austin (TX) Westlake (9-1)

36.   Phenix City (AL) Central (11-0)

37.   Longview (TX) (10-0)

38.   Peoria (AZ) Centennial (12-0)

39.   San Juan Capistrano (CA) JSerra Catholic (9-3)

40.   North Little Rock (AR) (10-0)

41.   Washington (DC) Gonzaga (8-3)

42.   New Orleans (LA) Edna Karr (11-0)

43.   Montvale (NJ) St. Joseph Regional (8-2)

44.   Austin (TX) Lake Travis (9-1)

45.   Charlotte (NC) Mallard Creek (10-0)

46.   Martinsburg (WV) (11-0)

47.   Leesburg (GA) Lee County (11-0)

48.   Park Hills (KY) Covington Catholic (12-0)

49.   Catawissa (PA) Southern Columbia Area (12-0)

50.   Chantilly (VA) Westfield (11-0)

51.   Brentwood (CA) Liberty (10-0)

52.   Horn Lake (MS) (12-0)

53.   St. Louis (MO) Christian Brothers (10-1)

54.   Houston (TX) Cypress Ranch (10-0)

55.   Broken Arrow (OK) (11-0)

56.   Roswell (GA) Blessed Trinity (11-0)

57.   Mentor (OH) (11-1)

58.   Alcoa (TN) (12-0)

59.   Chicago (IL) Brother Rice (12-0)

60.   Phoenix (AZ) Pinnacle (11-1)

61.   Dallas (TX) Highland Park (10-0)

62.   Highland Springs (VA) (10-0)

63.   Baton Rouge (LA) Catholic (9-1)

64.   Las Vegas (NV) Bishop Gorman (8-3)

65.   Deerfield Beach (FL) (10-1)

66.   Fresno (CA) Central (11-0)

67.   West Point (MS) (11-1)

68.   Buford (GA) (9-2)

69.   Anderson (SC) T.L. Hanna (11-0)

70.   Maryville (TN) (11-1)

71.   Chicago (IL) Marist (11-1)

72.   Powder Springs (GA) Hillgrove (11-0)

73.   Scottsdale (AZ) Saguaro (11-1)

74.   Starkville (MS) (11-1)

75.   Highlands Ranch (CO) Valor Christian (11-0)

76.   Lakeland (FL) (11-0)

77.   River Ridge (LA) John Curtis (11-0)

78.   Hattiesburg (MS) (12-0)

79.   San Bernardino (CA) Cajon (11-1)

80.   Ellenwood (GA)Cedar Grove (10-1)

81.   Wake Forest (NC) (10-0)

82.   Apopka (FL) Wekiva (10-1)

83.   Gilbert (AZ) Highland (11-1)

84.   Pickerington (OH) Central (10-2)

85.   Alabaster (AL) Thompson (9-1)

86.   Sammamish (WA) Eastside Catholic (9-1)

87.   West Monroe (LA) (11-0)

88.   Littleton (CO) Columbine (11-0)

89.   Tampa (FL) Plant (10-1)

90.   Lilburn (GA) Parkview (11-0)

91.   Hoover (AL) (8-3)

92.   Jacksonville (FL) Trinity Christian (11-0)

93.   Draper (UT) Corner Canyon (12-0)

94.   Elk Grove (CA) Monterey Trail (11-0)

95.   Houston (TX) Westfield (9-1)

96.   Gaffney (SC) (9-1)

97.   Huntington (WV) Spring Valley (11-0)

98.   Charlotte (NC) Vance (10-1)

99.   Lakeville (MN) North (11-0)

100.     Brandon (MS) (12-1)

 

I think you are pretty close with the N.C. teams. I would still have Wake Forest  somewhere between Mallard Creek and Vance. They have won the last two 4AA state championships. I’m trying to figure out where Mallard Creek will land if they go on to win the title this year. They will likely have to face Hough, Vance and Richmond County in the western region and then Wake Forest in the title game. If they survive that and win I would imagine they would be somewhere around 25. Too bad the Dutch Fork game was cancelled. That would have given us a better indication of where they stand among the top teams. 

[Creekfootball]

Just saw you did have Wake Forest between Mallard Creek and Vance. So never mind about that. 

[whiteshoes]

31 minutes ago, Creekfootball said:

Just saw you did have Wake Forest between Mallard Creek and Vance. So never mind about that. 

It's good to have someone from NC input on the poll.    Continue to review and comment.    It helps me compile a better poll.   As far as Mallard Creek, even if they win out, they are in that area that will be hard to move up from.   They cannot get a real good signature win with their remaining schedule, so a low 40-high 30 rank maybe the best they can do.    The Dutch Fork game would have helped.

[BUFORDGAWOLVES]

18 hours ago, Sammyswordsman said:

North Shore has been in Tier 1 for 10 weeks.    Most pollsters are to arrogant to pay attention to the Tiers.  Sad 

One or two homers with a .123 batting average will do that, Sammy.

BGW

[nptb17]

2 hours ago, abbatt said:

Omaha Vol,

I completely agree with you about LWE.... Being an IL poster ...I`m happy with the attention that LWE is receiving but they aren`t in the same class with the other tier 1 teams.They are definitely a top 35 team this year but not top 10. I wouldn`t put any team from the Midwest ever in the top 10...and that includes Ohio. Colerain is very good but they never play OOS so how  can you really know. Despite some Ohio posters claiming to the contrary...Ohio is trending slowly down and Is pretty even with IL now from top to bottom. I have been following Midwest football since the early 70`s and While it`s great football......it`s not at the level of play in the South and West.

So now Colerain never plays OOS despite the fact that Colerain is 19-1 OOS.  You keep trying to push an agenda of Illinois being on Ohio's level but you have nothing to base that on.  I've seen live a team that had Dalvin Cook and Joseph Yearby on it need a last second field goal to beat a team that didn't qualify for the playoffs.  You were hyped that Naperville put it on one of the worse Trinity teams that they've ever fielded.  You were hype about Semien beating Trotwood soundly.  Trotwood proceded to miss the D3 playoffs in Ohio.  Just because Ohio posters don't jump on here and prop of 25 teams doesn't mean that Ohio is down.  

I've said it multiple times on here.  20 for 20, Ohio is getting with any state and is just flat out better than 90 percent of them.  

[Coletrain06]

2 hours ago, abbatt said:

Omaha Vol,

I completely agree with you about LWE.... Being an IL poster ...I`m happy with the attention that LWE is receiving but they aren`t in the same class with the other tier 1 teams.They are definitely a top 35 team this year but not top 10. I wouldn`t put any team from the Midwest ever in the top 10...and that includes Ohio. Colerain is very good but they never play OOS so how  can you really know. Despite some Ohio posters claiming to the contrary...Ohio is trending slowly down and Is pretty even with IL now from top to bottom. I have been following Midwest football since the early 70`s and While it`s great football......it`s not at the level of play in the South and West.

I won't pretend that Colerain's played a bunch of OOS elites, because they haven't...........but from 2005-2016 Colerain played at least one OOS team every year, sometimes 2. They travelled a few times also, albeit not very far.

The reason they haven't played OOS the past 2 years is because their conference voted to move from 7 conference games to 8 conference games, leaving only 2 weeks open, and they already had contracts with their 2 neighborhood rivals St. X and La Salle.

[abbatt]

nptb17,

You crack me up. Naperville Central.....Simeon have both been eliminated from the IL play-offs. Louisville Trinity has now advanced to the 3rd round in the KY play-offs. Your top teams ...Hoban...and Colerain...Mentor are all very good... but what makes you think that they are any better than say LWE....Chicago Brother Rice and Chicago Marist ? What criterium are you basing it on ? By the way it`s Simeon..not Seimen !!!!

[nptb17]

8 hours ago, abbatt said:

nptb17,

You crack me up. Naperville Central.....Simeon have both been eliminated from the IL play-offs. Louisville Trinity has now advanced to the 3rd round in the KY play-offs. Your top teams ...Hoban...and Colerain...Mentor are all very good... but what makes you think that they are any better than say LWE....Chicago Brother Rice and Chicago Marist ? What criterium are you basing it on ? By the way it`s Simeon..not Seimen !!!!

My bad on the spelling of Simeon.  Hoban, Colerain and Mentor have no down years.  They don't ever go away and those 3 play numerous big games yearly.  Those 3 always have kids that go on to play big time ball at the next level.  And last Colerain doesn't lose OOS games to teams that haven't played them before.  Plus this is one of the better Colerain teams.  

Are you standing by your claim that Colerain never plays OOS games? 

[Omaha Vol]

4 hours ago, nptb17 said:

My bad on the spelling of Simeon.  Hoban, Colerain and Mentor have no down years.  They don't ever go away and those 3 play numerous big games yearly.  Those 3 always have kids that go on to play big time ball at the next level.  And last Colerain doesn't lose OOS games to teams that haven't played them before.  Plus this is one of the better Colerain teams.  

Are you standing by your claim that Colerain never plays OOS games? 

Didn’t Colrain beat Hoover one year at the Herbstreit? Correct me if I’m wrong. I also remember St. X taking a top ranked Lakeland to the wire one of those years. 

[Goldmember]

6 hours ago, Omaha Vol said:

Didn’t Colrain beat Hoover one year at the Herbstreit? Correct me if I’m wrong. 

Hoover sucks.

And that was the only Hoover team in like 16 years not to reach the state championship game. And Colerain needed overtime to beat that team. In Cincinnati.

[abbatt]

Guys,

Maybe my comments are being misunderstood some. I have strong respect for the level of football played in Ohio. Great coaching...history and proven success  over a long period of time. My argument is that Ohio football is not as strong as it was 8-10 years ago. i would have ranked the Buckeye state at number #3 behind Texas and Florida at that time...but now I would put them behind GA and the top teams from CA. Illinois has been trending up and whether you want to admit it or not..is basically pretty even with Ohio from top to bottom. I wish there would be more inter-play between the 2 states...home and home agreements. I just meant that Colerain hasn`t played OOS in the last few years....I`m aware of their previous OOS success.

[nptb17]

1 hour ago, Goldmember said:

Hoover sucks.

And that was the only Hoover team in like 16 years not to reach the state championship game. And Colerain needed overtime to beat that team. In Cincinnati.

And that was a first year head coach beating the great Rush Prospt.  Hoover had Colerain dead to rights but the great Rush Prospt let time run out before kicking a game winning fieldgoal.