Sammyswordsman Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Tier 1 - SFA, IMG, Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, St. Johns Catholic Tier 2 - Duncanville, Northshore, STA, Katy, Lakeland, Northwestern, Tier 3 - DLS, Mentor, Marietta, St. Louis (HI), Allen Tier 4 - Columbus, Cen10, SJR, John Curtis, East St. Louis, Lincoln Way East, Zachary, Hoover, Colquitt, De Matha, Bergen Catholic, Gonzaga, SJP, Chandler, St. Eds, Hoban Tier 5 - OLGC , Iggy, Acadiana, West Monroe, Mission Viejo, Guyer, McEachern, Milton, Eastside Catholic, Colerain, Bishop Gorman, Longview, Miami Central, Warren Central, Trinity*, Pickering Central, Colquitt Tier 6 - St. Xavier (OH), Lowndes, Parkview, Destrehan, Servite, C-Hill, Westlake (Tx), Guyer, SPP, Grayson, Archer, North Gwinett, Folsom, Narbonne, Cathedral Catholic, Columbia *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 If St. Louis played your tier 2 teams (including North Shore twice) I'd put money on them at even odds for like 75% of those games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, dntn31 said: If St. Louis played your tier 2 teams (including North Shore twice) I'd put money on them at even odds for like 75% of those games. Thats prolly why St. Louis is in Tier 3. If they were in Tier 2, you would have even odds on 100% of the games. Would you take St. Louis 75% of the time over DLS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalven Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Id take St L over DLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliNorth Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 24 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 1 - SFA, IMG, Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, St. Johns Catholic Tier 2 - Duncanville, Northshore, STA, Katy, Lakeland, Northwestern, Tier 3 - DLS, Mentor, Marietta, St. Louis (HI), Allen Tier 4 - Columbus, Cen10, SJR, John Curtis, East St. Louis, Lincoln Way East, Zachary, Hoover, Colquitt, De Matha, Bergen Catholic, Gonzaga, SJP, Chandler, St. Eds, Hoban Tier 5 - OLGC , Iggy, Acadiana, West Monroe, Mission Viejo, Guyer, McEachern, Milton, Eastside Catholic, Colerain, Bishop Gorman, Longview, Miami Central, Warren Central, Pickering Central Tier 6 - St. Xavier (OH), Lowndes, Parkview, Destrehan, Servite, C-Hill, Westlake (Tx), Guyer, SPP, Grayson, Archer, North Gwinett, Folsom, Narbonne, Cathedral Catholic, *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate Is mentor that good ? Also, I think it as it goes along, SJC will prove to be more of a Tier 2 type of team. I honestly think a team like Dematha will give them all that they can handle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Would you take St. Louis 75% of the time over DLS? 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Just now, dntn31 said: 100% Interesting. I will have to look into St. Louis a bit more. Do you think St. Louis beats those Tier 2 teams if the games were played in Texas and Florida, and DLS in Calif? Hawaii teams seem to lose their mojo when the leave the islands. We will have to see how The Bishop finishes up and how St. Louis does vs. Mililani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Thats prolly why St. Louis is in Tier 3. If they were in Tier 2, you would have even odds on 100% of the games. That's not what I meant. In other words, I think STL is better than 75% of your tier 2 teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, CaliNorth said: Is mentor that good ? Also, I think it as it goes along, SJC will prove to be more of a Tier 2 type of team. I honestly think a team like Dematha will give them all that they can handle I saw DeMatha in person. Very solid team but lacks a passing game. They will beat teams they can bully, but imo will not be able to hang with SJC this year. Mentor seems to be the class of Ohio at this point. They were 11-2 last year (split with St. Eds), then opened this year with a win over St. Eds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, dntn31 said: That's not what I meant. In other words, I think STL is better than 75% of your tier 2 teams. Why are you so high on St. Louis? The Tier 2 teams are a very physical bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardhit1 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Just now, Sammyswordsman said: I saw DeMatha in person. Very solid team but lacks a passing game. They will beat teams they can bully, but imo will not be able to hang with SJC this year. Mentor seems to be the class of Ohio at this point. They were 11-2 last year (split with St. Eds), then opened this year with a win over St. Eds. Next week will be the big tell with Mentor when they play Iggy after seeing Mentor in person and watching Iggy , Mentor should win that one but it’s Ohio 😂 so anything is possible 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaGoodBoyNow Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 Nice Tier but even Better avatar. BRAVO 👏 Na Dead ass Sammy You look good in Green and gold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbiafan Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 1 - SFA, IMG, Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, St. Johns Catholic Tier 2 - Duncanville, Northshore, STA, Katy, Lakeland, Northwestern, Tier 3 - DLS, Mentor, Marietta, St. Louis (HI), Allen Tier 4 - Columbus, Cen10, SJR, John Curtis, East St. Louis, Lincoln Way East, Zachary, Hoover, Colquitt, De Matha, Bergen Catholic, Gonzaga, SJP, Chandler, St. Eds, Hoban Tier 5 - OLGC , Iggy, Acadiana, West Monroe, Mission Viejo, Guyer, McEachern, Milton, Eastside Catholic, Colerain, Bishop Gorman, Longview, Miami Central, Warren Central, Pickering Central Tier 6 - St. Xavier (OH), Lowndes, Parkview, Destrehan, Servite, C-Hill, Westlake (Tx), Guyer, SPP, Grayson, Archer, North Gwinett, Folsom, Narbonne, Cathedral Catholic, *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate Where columbia at? We were in tiers last week and won our game, what would justify a drop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREYHOUNDALUM Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 20 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: I saw DeMatha in person. Very solid team but lacks a passing game. They will beat teams they can bully, but imo will not be able to hang with SJC this year. Mentor seems to be the class of Ohio at this point. They were 11-2 last year (split with St. Eds), then opened this year with a win over St. Eds. SJC is the worst coached team around. My money would be on Gonzaga winning the league again, even after losing so many players. That QB is the truth. Best I’ve ever seen in that area. DeMatha should start the ninth grade QB, he will give them a shot at winning the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nptb17 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 52 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Tier 1 - SFA, IMG, Mater Dei, St. John Bosco, St. Johns Catholic Tier 2 - Duncanville, Northshore, STA, Katy, Lakeland, Northwestern, Tier 3 - DLS, Mentor, Marietta, St. Louis (HI), Allen Tier 4 - Columbus, Cen10, SJR, John Curtis, East St. Louis, Lincoln Way East, Zachary, Hoover, Colquitt, De Matha, Bergen Catholic, Gonzaga, SJP, Chandler, St. Eds, Hoban Tier 5 - OLGC , Iggy, Acadiana, West Monroe, Mission Viejo, Guyer, McEachern, Milton, Eastside Catholic, Colerain, Bishop Gorman, Longview, Miami Central, Warren Central, Pickering Central Tier 6 - St. Xavier (OH), Lowndes, Parkview, Destrehan, Servite, C-Hill, Westlake (Tx), Guyer, SPP, Grayson, Archer, North Gwinett, Folsom, Narbonne, Cathedral Catholic, *Requests to add your team will be honored. But must be Tier 6 or above to be placed on a Tier. Below is an explanation of the Methodolgy used to place the teams on various Tiers. The Tier concept recognizes that W/L records are a function of quality of opponent, and as such, RELEVANCY of opponent MUST be factored in. The Tiers recognizes that in some cases, a 10-0 team (ranked in Top 100 by some outlets) could get blown off the field by a 5-5 (unranked) team that played a tougher schedule. This is why the Tiers was created. *Not attempting to rank every team, only the ones we discuss on this site. *Teams are ranked appropriately for that week in the season. Teams can improve and regress comparatively. * The Tiers are fluid and subject to extreme fluctuations early in the year, leveling out as the year progresses. *Tier placements consider a teams entire body of work, however are weighted heaviest on recent games and game weights decrease in significance in reverse order. In other words, early road OOS losses to relevant teams can be overcome as the season progresses. *Teams placed on the same Tier can compete with other same Tier teams and possibly win 2+ of 10. *Basically there is a -10 point drop between tiers. Could vary from a TD to 3 scores depending on the styles of teams playing. This does not necessarily mean that there is a 30 point difference between Tier 1 and Tier 3, only that the chances of a Tier 3 team beating a Tier 1 team are exponentially less than the chances of a Tier 2 Team beating a Tier 1 team. *The Tiers will ultimately be made up of (16) teams per Tier that would form competitive playoff brackets. *Texas teams generally have not played enough OOS games to gauge properly #crapshoot. There must be a daisy chain OOS connection for a reference point. Teams with no OOS daisy chain connection may not be placed on a Tier. (Texas exempt) *Tiers are based on exhaustive research, Multiple games watched, and good gut feelings. *This is a crowd sourced rating. All input will be considered and adjustments will be made as appropriate I'll help you out with your silly tiers. Marietta needed a late touchdown to beat St. Joe's prep in literally the final minute. There can't be that much of a difference between the two. And St. Joe's was on the road. Second thing is East St. Louis would never ever beat a top 10 Ohio squad. Never!! Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 St. Louis > DLS ... Ill admit I was a St. Louis doubter... But Im on board now... To an extent. Id throw Central (PC) AL & Cedar Grove GA in tier 6. You cant really have Hoover as high as #4 and not have Central in considering they were beating Hoover all game and only lost on a last second FG. Move Cathedral Catholic CA up 1 tier Hillgrove should be Tier 5, & Id remove Grayson completely... For now. I was embarrassed that they struggled with James Clemens like that. Im not saying move em up now, but keep your eye on McEachern. They play Cedar Grove 9/13, Hillgrove 10/11, & Marietta 10/18. Those games should all be really good. Lowndes is kinda low, but they get their shot at one of your tier 2 teams, Northwestern, in a few weeks... So whatever. Just a few thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 11 minutes ago, Columbiafan said: Where columbia at? We were in tiers last week and won our game, what would justify a drop? They will be added to Tier 6. The poor scrimmage vs. Colquitt, and the close escape on Friday vs an unranked team are concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, nptb17 said: I'll help you out with your silly tiers. Marietta needed a late touchdown to beat St. Joe's prep in literally the final minute. There can't be that much of a difference between the two. And St. Joe's was on the road. Second thing is East St. Louis would never ever beat a top 10 Ohio squad. Never!! Hope this helps. SJP is a fraud Top 10 team. Based on their hype, people were expecting them to roll public school Marietta. SJP recently is the Northeast version of the devil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, GREYHOUNDALUM said: SJC is the worst coached team around. My money would be on Gonzaga winning the league again, even after losing so many players. That QB is the truth. Best I’ve ever seen in that area. DeMatha should start the ninth grade QB, he will give them a shot at winning the league. I don't think Gonzaga will beat Dematha or SJC. But we will get to find out. If Gonzaga has any trouble at all vs. DBP, they get dropped out of Tier 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECHS05 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: SJP is a fraud Top 10 team. Based on their hype, people were expecting them to roll public school Marietta. SJP recently is the Northeast version of the devil. Its highly likely SJP starts out 0-3 considering their next 2 opponents are IMG & St. Johns. Thats also a good opportunity for them though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dntn31 Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Sammyswordsman said: Why are you so high on St. Louis? The Tier 2 teams are a very physical bunch. Aside from beating the bishop by 2 scores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted September 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, dntn31 said: Aside from beating the bishop by 2 scores? IF The Bishop rolls (45-7) a good Servite team on Friday, then St. Louis will go to Tier 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREYHOUNDALUM Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 44 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: I don't think Gonzaga will beat Dematha or SJC. But we will get to find out. If Gonzaga has any trouble at all vs. DBP, they get dropped out of Tier 4 Gonzaga should not have won last year. If DeMatha starts that senior QB, they will lose to them. He’s horrible. Gonzaga night have the best coach in the country. They have no business even being in the conversation for Top 25 nationally. The dude is amazing. Give him SJC’s talent and they would never lose a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 49 minutes ago, ECHS05 said: St. Louis > DLS ... Ill admit I was a St. Louis doubter... But Im on board now... And DLS > anyone in GA For like the 20th time in last 30 years you should be a middle Tiers expert — there are no GA teams in top 2 (and really 3, but @Sammyswordsman does pander to the mob) Marietta is the one of those things not like the others 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted September 1, 2019 Report Share Posted September 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: IF The Bishop rolls (45-7) a good Servite team on Friday, then St. Louis will go to Tier 2 There is at least one Tier 5 team that would roll Servite by a running clock Why Tier 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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