D1 pairings come out at noon today!

[frankyjames]

8 hours ago, Cal 14 said:

I'll just take it that he forgot Folsom and DLS played this year... and last... in one of the most anticipated games in California... that had just about everyone's attention on this board.  Yeah, I guess he just forgot. 

They were all consumed by the game when it happened. As soon as it was over, it was back to "Folsom plays nobody!"

Classic. 

[Bestcoast]

3 hours ago, frankyjames said:

Never. And if you asks the SoCal trolls, all they can come up with is a "parent" quoted in a small town newspaper (20 miles from Folsom), that said she didn't want to play DLS. And it was a "she."

Solid evidence, but par the course for the illiterate SoCal posters.

THEOC89 posted the article on this thread on page 2.

Lmao Folsom is a joke!

[Bodysurf]

16 hours ago, THEOC89 said:

Folsom High football coaches Kris Richardson and Troy Taylor acknowledged that while they don’t mind playing De La Salle, they agree that the current playoff system is unfair because the second-best team in Northern California (the loser of the open regional game) is not being rewarded for being the second-best team, while the third-best team, the Division I winner, is being rewarded.

 

Well how about SoCal where the second best, third best, fourth best, fifth best team, ...... all stay home for the state bowl games.

[frankyjames]

1 hour ago, Bodysurf said:

Well how about SoCal where the second best, third best, fourth best, fifth best team, ...... all stay home for the state bowl games.

Sounds like a system you need to fix.

[Ararar]

1 hour ago, Bodysurf said:

Well how about SoCal where the second best, third best, fourth best, fifth best team, ...... all stay home for the state bowl games.

And don’t whine to their section Commissioner to change the rules 

[frankyjames]

3 hours ago, Bestcoast said:

THEOC89 posted the article on this thread on page 2.

Exactly my point. The same article from a small town newspaper (20 miles from Folsom) quoting a random mom, used as "evidence" on a random dude forum is comical at best.

Only idiots will continue to pedal that trash.

Meanwhile, Folsom keeps winning and remains the #1 public in CA

[frankyjames]

4 minutes ago, Ararar said:

And don’t whine to their section Commissioner to change the rules 

Another idiotic comment. To suggest Folsom has the power to change an ENTIRE CIF rule that essentially effected the ENTIRE STATE OF CA, is comical at best.

BTW- No one also mentions that this received UNANIMOUS voter approval from the CIF. From North AND South.

Sounds like a conspiracy  Maybe ALL the SoCal voters, voted in favor of this rule, so the top SoCal teams would never have to play Folsom!?

#DontFeedTheSoCalTrolls

[frankyjames]

18 hours ago, dntn31 said:

It's just soooo unfair that the North had to send their 3rd best team to face the South's 10th best team

Actually- Per the CIF, the South VOTED UNANIMOUSLY in favor of this rule.

It sounds like the South didn't want their top teams playing Folsom.

[Ararar]

14 minutes ago, frankyjames said:

Another idiotic comment. To suggest Folsom has the power to change an ENTIRE CIF rule that essentially effected the ENTIRE STATE OF CA, is comical at best.

BTW- No one also mentions that this received UNANIMOUS voter approval from the CIF. From North AND South.

Sounds like a conspiracy  Maybe ALL the SoCal voters, voted in favor of this rule, so the top SoCal teams would never have to play Folsom!?

#DontFeedTheSoCalTrolls

😂

We all know what happened little dude

[frankyjames]

1 minute ago, Ararar said:

😂

We all know what happened little dude

Little boy- First off, I own you.

Second- YOUR SoCal section commissioners ALL voted to change the rule, therefore ensuring that non of your top teams had to get beat by Folsom in SBGs.

Folsom is 7-0 in those games.

#TheSoCalRule

[frankyjames]

Just to clarify the real story from the SoCal #FakeNews agency:

Parents can complain. Parents can write letters to Saco. Parents have ZERO standing with the section. Saco act(ed) on behalf of the section consitituents - the schools and leagues. If you knew Pete Saco, you would know that the thought that he did the bidding of Folsom parents is ridiculous.

Folsom's losses to DLS were the example that highlighted the broken system. Of course Folsom had to be mentioned in the articles. Who else were they going to mention? The fact that the Folsom fans were complaining just made it a better story. And message board fodder. But make no mistake, this change was to head off the private vs. public debate.

From the CIF press release:

This return to the original format began with the CIF Football Advisory Committee at their April 2014 meeting and was also unanimously supported by the 10 CIF Section Commissioners at their summer 2014 meeting along with the CIF Executive Committee.

“Following two years of the expanded Open Division Football Regional Bowl Championships, the votes by both the football coaches’ advisory committee and the 10 Section Commissioners indicated the strong desire to return the Open Division Football Bowl Game to its original format,” stated Roger L. Blake, CIF Executive Director. “As with all State Championship events, each year there is always a thorough review by various committees. Modifications are forwarded when there is a majority that believes the changes will better serve our membership and their students.”

Note the unanimous votes by the 10 section commissioners, the CIF Executive Committee and the advisory committee. Note there is no mention of parental or fan input.

[frankyjames]

@Bodysurf what changes would you like to see?

Honest question. 

[dntn31]

[Ararar]

54 minutes ago, frankyjames said:

Just to clarify the real story from the SoCal #FakeNews agency:

Parents can complain. Parents can write letters to Saco. Parents have ZERO standing with the section. Saco act(ed) on behalf of the section consitituents - the schools and leagues. If you knew Pete Saco, you would know that the thought that he did the bidding of Folsom parents is ridiculous.

Folsom's losses to DLS were the example that highlighted the broken system. Of course Folsom had to be mentioned in the articles. Who else were they going to mention? The fact that the Folsom fans were complaining just made it a better story. And message board fodder. But make no mistake, this change was to head off the private vs. public debate.

From the CIF press release:

This return to the original format began with the CIF Football Advisory Committee at their April 2014 meeting and was also unanimously supported by the 10 CIF Section Commissioners at their summer 2014 meeting along with the CIF Executive Committee.

“Following two years of the expanded Open Division Football Regional Bowl Championships, the votes by both the football coaches’ advisory committee and the 10 Section Commissioners indicated the strong desire to return the Open Division Football Bowl Game to its original format,” stated Roger L. Blake, CIF Executive Director. “As with all State Championship events, each year there is always a thorough review by various committees. Modifications are forwarded when there is a majority that believes the changes will better serve our membership and their students.”

Note the unanimous votes by the 10 section commissioners, the CIF Executive Committee and the advisory committee. Note there is no mention of parental or fan input.

Little dude

you forgot to mention that your section Commissioner was also on the advisory committee while your football team was crying 😭 😂

[frankyjames]

2 hours ago, Ararar said:

Little dude

you forgot to mention that your section Commissioner was also on the advisory committee while your football team was crying 😭 😂

Little Man,

That was a duck and dodge.

You still haven't explained how one guy on an advisory committee voted unanimously for all of Southern California

Did the SoCal commissioners have something to hide? Did they not want their Tier 2 teams playing and losing against NorCal teams?

It seems like Folsom moms have a lot of sway in SoCal

[bigrobstercraws]

4 hours ago, frankyjames said:

Just to clarify the real story from the SoCal #FakeNews agency:

Parents can complain. Parents can write letters to Saco. Parents have ZERO standing with the section. Saco act(ed) on behalf of the section consitituents - the schools and leagues. If you knew Pete Saco, you would know that the thought that he did the bidding of Folsom parents is ridiculous.

Folsom's losses to DLS were the example that highlighted the broken system. Of course Folsom had to be mentioned in the articles. Who else were they going to mention? The fact that the Folsom fans were complaining just made it a better story. And message board fodder. But make no mistake, this change was to head off the private vs. public debate.

From the CIF press release:

This return to the original format began with the CIF Football Advisory Committee at their April 2014 meeting and was also unanimously supported by the 10 CIF Section Commissioners at their summer 2014 meeting along with the CIF Executive Committee.

“Following two years of the expanded Open Division Football Regional Bowl Championships, the votes by both the football coaches’ advisory committee and the 10 Section Commissioners indicated the strong desire to return the Open Division Football Bowl Game to its original format,” stated Roger L. Blake, CIF Executive Director. “As with all State Championship events, each year there is always a thorough review by various committees. Modifications are forwarded when there is a majority that believes the changes will better serve our membership and their students.”

Note the unanimous votes by the 10 section commissioners, the CIF Executive Committee and the advisory committee. Note there is no mention of parental or fan input.

Did they just up and decide to take a vote or did parents of a certain, specific school on the wrong end of Nor Cal Open Regional games provide pressure to move towards the vote?

[frankyjames]

3 minutes ago, bigrobstercraws said:

Did they just up and decide to take a vote or did parents of a certain, specific school on the wrong end of Nor Cal Open Regional games have an influence. 

They regularly review the format and make changes as needed. Parents do now force the CIF to vote on any subject AND sway EVERY SINGLE commissioner in the state to vote a certain way. Anyone who alludes to such, is either an idiot or a troll. The statement below should help. 

"Following two years of the expanded Open Division Football Regional Bowl Championships, the votes by both the football coaches’ advisory committee and the 10 Section Commissioners indicated the strong desire to return the Open Division Football Bowl Game to its original format,”

The best part about all this is what EVERY SINGLE SoCal commissioner VOTED for this! Meaning, they had a vested interest in this format. They essentially VOTED for their top teams (tier 2) to not every play Folsom in an SBG game. Not one SoCal poster will ever address this. You will get the standard troll comments. 

:)

[bigrobstercraws]

1 minute ago, frankyjames said:

They regularly review the format and make changes as needed. Parents do now force the CIF to vote on any subject AND sway EVERY SINGLE commissioner in the state to vote a certain way. Anyone who alludes to such, is either an idiot or a troll. The statement below should help. 

"Following two years of the expanded Open Division Football Regional Bowl Championships, the votes by both the football coaches’ advisory committee and the 10 Section Commissioners indicated the strong desire to return the Open Division Football Bowl Game to its original format,”

Mater Dei disagrees. 

[frankyjames]

1 minute ago, bigrobstercraws said:

Mater Dei disagrees. 

You could make an argument that parents could force the CIF to vote on something or even take it up (no matter how far fetched it really is)

However- there is NO WAY IN HELL a group of parents could sway EVERY SINGLE VOTING body in the CIF and EVERY SINGLE commissioner to vote a certain way. Everyone votes based on their own needs/wants/agenda.

In this case, the rule benefited SoCal. The question is why?

[bigrobstercraws]

3 minutes ago, frankyjames said:

You could make an argument that parents could force the CIF to vote on something or even take it up (no matter how far fetched it really is)

However- there is NO WAY IN HELL a group of parents could sway EVERY SINGLE VOTING body in the CIF and EVERY SINGLE commissioner to vote a certain way. Everyone votes based on their own needs/wants/agenda.

In this case, the rule benefited SoCal. The question is why?

It benefited only one team. That's Folsom. They would never make a state bowl without the rule change.

So with or without parental influence it is rightly and deservedly called the Folsom Rule.

 

[frankyjames]

2 minutes ago, bigrobstercraws said:

It benefited only one team. That's Folsom.

Why would EVERY SINGLE SoCal commissioner vote unanimously to benefit Folsom?

Please explain. 

[bigrobstercraws]

2 minutes ago, frankyjames said:

Why would EVERY SINGLE SoCal commissioner vote unanimously to benefit Folsom?

Please explain. 

So you're saying So Cal being able to send it's 5th or 6th best team to play Folsom benefited So Cal?

[frankyjames]

Just now, bigrobstercraws said:

So you're saying So Cal being able to send it's 5th or 6th best team to play Folsom benefited So Cal?

I am saying EVERY SINGLE SoCal commissioner voted UNANIMOUSLY in favor of this rule/format. 

Can you explain why? Maybe they are all Folsom fans?

 

[bigrobstercraws]

Just now, frankyjames said:

I am saying EVERY SINGLE SoCal commissioner voted UNANIMOUSLY in favor of this rule/format. 

Can you explain why? Maybe they are all Folsom fans?

 

So how did it benefit So Cal? It allowed a team that was always going to lose an Open Regional Game to finally make a state bowl game. 

[frankyjames]

Just now, bigrobstercraws said:

So how did it benefit So Cal? It allowed a team that was always going to lose an Open Regional Game to finally make a state bowl game. 

You tell me. I am not a SoCal commissioner. I am just stating a fact. That EVERY SINGLE SoCal Commissioner AND committee member voted in favor of this.

This is only to debunk the theory of the SoCal trolls that Folsom somehow got this rule changed by a couple of angry and jealous parents. The theory is one that a 1st grader would make.

Why would all the SoCal commissioners be in favor of this? Were they trying to hide certain teams from top comp?