noonereal Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: He did have some zingers back at them. He "housed" Bernie on being a socialist that is a millionaire with 3 houses. He popped the entire stage on giving Trump all the cards he needs with their bullshit pie in the sky promises. He is in deep enough with his past remarks on women. This isn't the Christian Right Wing Coalition he's courting votes from. In general, democrats aren't down with shitting on women in front of a national audience. No doubt about who the winner was last night.... TRump 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, noonereal said: No doubt about who the winner was last night.... TRump Exactly what Bloomberg said. He was right too. All the idiots on the stage are too dumb to see it. Democrats need to get realistic. I'm sure they will once they have a nominee, but, it's coming at a cost right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted February 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Democrats need to get realistic. What exactly is realistic about Mike Bloomberg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, RedZone said: What exactly is realistic about Mike Bloomberg? That socialism is not gonna beat trump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted February 20, 2020 Report Share Posted February 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, RedZone said: What exactly is realistic about Mike Bloomberg? He isn't any of them. Lol. He isn't promising a bunch of bullshit that will never happen. He's not apologizing for being a capitalist and having made a fortune. He has in fact ran a pretty large government. He's not stupid and pandering to this branch or that branch of the party. He's working at appealing to the center of the country, not just the center of the party. I've rarely looked at him as a democrat due to his constant shifting of party. Generally I don't like politicians that do that, but, in his case, I see him as a true independent, not really a hardcore democrat or republican. He's center/left on most things, center/right on others. Probably exactly what we need as a country to come back from whatever this lunacy we're in now is. We damn sure don't need a swing all the way to the far left. We see where the far right swing has gotten us. Democrats better get busy uniting behind someone, or the party will be burnt toast again. E Pluribus Unum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Horsefly said: That socialism is not gonna beat trump. Neither is Bloomberg. If it wasn’t for the $, there is little there. Just tired old Democrat talking points that anyone can run on - with far more political skill and much less obnoxiousness. Well folks, Hillary had far more $, for all the good it did her. Like him or not, Trump ran a campaign to reverse long-held GOP tenets - on trade, immigration and deficits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Bormio said: Neither is Bloomberg. If it wasn’t for the $, there is little there. Just tired old Democrat talking points that anyone can run on - with far more political skill and much less obnoxiousness. Well folks, Hillary had far more $, for all the good it did her. Like him or not, Trump ran a campaign to reverse long-held GOP tenets - on trade, immigration and deficits. Im not saying he can, I’m talking specific economic policy. Regardless of who is holding the banner of socialism, it won’t beat capitalism. My comment really had nothing to do with trump or Bloomberg Bloomberg’s reality moment last time was staring this. It was truthful and honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, Horsefly said: Im not saying he can, I’m talking specific economic policy. Regardless of who is holding the banner of socialism, it won’t beat capitalism. My comment really had nothing to do with trump or Bloomberg Maybe it is time for the Democrats to find out how far left their party can go. Obama was the most liberal Senator when he ran - and he won. Sanders probably appeals to a majority of Democrats - those that oppose him do so more for tactical than ideological reasons. Democrats like Medicare for all, free college etc - the party is now leftist in ideology. Voting for Bloomberg is an act of the mind, not the heart - sometimes that works, but often doesn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 If Sanders did not label himself a socialist - no one would label him as such. He is a typical liberal Democrat today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 43 minutes ago, Horsefly said: That socialism is not gonna beat trump. It might. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the only Democratic presidential contender to beat President Trump in a head-to-head match-up, according to a new Emerson College poll released Wednesday. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483642-poll-trump-edges-out-all-top-2020-democratic-candidates-except-sanders Even the Washington Examiner (right as it gets) new poll has Sanders nipping trump. Trump beats every 2020 Democrat in head-to-head matchups except Sanders: Poll https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-beats-every-2020-democrat-in-head-to-head-matches-for-president-except-sanders-poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Bloomberg is like renting a mercenary- Sanders has the heart of the party. I truly believe he might have the best shot - not a good one - but the best one. A Bill Clinton is not out there for moderate Democrats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, HawgGoneIt said: He isn't any of them. Lol. I think the realistic thing honestly is to forget about Michael Bloomberg.....I don't like him. That's just my opinion. I think Democrats need to accept the inevitable and if they don't they really didn't want dictator trump out. I'm not counting Joe out officially either, but he will probably fade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Bormio said: Maybe it is time for the Democrats to find out how far left their party can go. Obama was the most liberal Senator when he ran - and he won. Sanders probably appeals to a majority of Democrats - those that oppose him do so more for tactical than ideological reasons. Democrats like Medicare for all, free college etc - the party is now leftist in ideology. Voting for Bloomberg is an act of the mind, not the heart - sometimes that works, but often doesn’t. The party adopted the far left ideology to jump on the Bernie fervor and hype, a few candidates are trying to come back to center like warren stated last night. But I don’t see the party going far left b/c that’s not what society wants rights now, no need for an economic revolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, RedZone said: It might. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the only Democratic presidential contender to beat President Trump in a head-to-head match-up, according to a new Emerson College poll released Wednesday. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483642-poll-trump-edges-out-all-top-2020-democratic-candidates-except-sanders Even the Washington Examiner (right as it gets) new poll has Sanders nipping trump. Trump beats every 2020 Democrat in head-to-head matchups except Sanders: Poll https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-beats-every-2020-democrat-in-head-to-head-matches-for-president-except-sanders-poll Dummy me...it's the same Emerson poll... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, RedZone said: It might. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is the only Democratic presidential contender to beat President Trump in a head-to-head match-up, according to a new Emerson College poll released Wednesday. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483642-poll-trump-edges-out-all-top-2020-democratic-candidates-except-sanders Even the Washington Examiner (right as it gets) new poll has Sanders nipping trump. Trump beats every 2020 Democrat in head-to-head matchups except Sanders: Poll https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-beats-every-2020-democrat-in-head-to-head-matches-for-president-except-sanders-poll I don’t see it, polling is different than what people will do in pulling the lever in private. Personally I think trump wins comfortably. Don’t like it, but I think that’s reality for 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I don’t see it, polling is different than what people will do in pulling the lever in private. Personally I think trump wins comfortably. Don’t like it, but I think that’s reality for 2020 Agree - let the socialists get smashed and then look for a capable moderate to run against the guy replacing Trump. History says you win that one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I don’t see it, polling is different than what people will do in pulling the lever in private. Personally I think trump wins comfortably. Don’t like it, but I think that’s reality for 2020 Maybe, but the things Bernie talks about are starting to happen. Just because he's extreme doesn't mean some of that stuff can't be modified to actually work. The University of Southern California announced plans Thursday to offer free tuition to students whose family income is less than $80,000 a year. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/usc-announces-free-tuition-families-making-under-80k-n1140091 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, RedZone said: Maybe, but the things Bernie talks about are starting to happen. Just because he's extreme doesn't mean some of that stuff can't be modified to actually work. The University of Southern California announced plans Thursday to offer free tuition to students whose family income is less than $80,000 a year. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/education/usc-announces-free-tuition-families-making-under-80k-n1140091 Yeah I read this. They didn’t mention it but who pays for this? Either they tap into their endowment or they raise tuition and pass on the costs to the paying students. I say they do the latter as using the endowment decreases their capital for future projects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 Sometimes it works out. In ‘64, the GOP allowed Goldwater to get smashed by Johnson in a election with little hope. But the country discovered Ronald Reagan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, RedZone said: I think the realistic thing honestly is to forget about Michael Bloomberg.....I don't like him. That's just my opinion. I think Democrats need to accept the inevitable and if they don't they really didn't want dictator trump out. I'm not counting Joe out officially either, but he will probably fade. I personally liked Joe from the jump, but, he's appearing weak as a candidate. Idk if democrats will all coalesce around a common candidate or not. They all have weaknesses, some are just greater than others and play more into Trump's wheelhouse. Trump is gonna be benefitting from a great economy, which will make it difficult to to beat him in spite of how often he manages to make people's heads explode. Gonna have to go with a candidate that doesn't threaten ruination of the current economy. There isn't many of those. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: I personally liked Joe from the jump, but, he's appearing weak as a candidate. Idk if democrats will all coalesce around a common candidate or not. They all have weaknesses, some are just greater than others and play more into Trump's wheelhouse. Trump is gonna be benefitting from a great economy, which will make it difficult to to beat him in spite of how often he manages to make people's heads explode. Gonna have to go with a candidate that doesn't threaten ruination of the current economy. There isn't many of those. Trump 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted February 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: hat doesn't threaten ruination of the current economy. There isn't many of those. ...dictator's trump's unrealistic promises to the Rust Belt may come back to bite him.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, RedZone said: ...dictator's trump's unrealistic promises to the Rust Belt may come back to bite him.. Idk. People are pretty stupid. Haha Democrats have an excitement problem. The only person they have that has the ability to excite any part of the party is Bernie. He excites the young and naive with big promises that the country can't possibly sustain. Anger at the current resident of the office is the only thing that may save the party this go around. And that's a maybe. A lot of people could just be disgusted and stay home. If that happens it won't be good. The party better at the minimum hold the house and gain the senate. I think that is honestly the big plan. Drive down turnout. A huge turnout will bode well for the democrats most likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Idk. People are pretty stupid. Haha Democrats have an excitement problem. The only person they have that has the ability to excite any part of the party is Bernie. He excites the young and naive with big promises that the country can't possibly sustain. Anger at the current resident of the office is the only thing that may save the party this go around. And that's a maybe. A lot of people could just be disgusted and stay home. If that happens it won't be good. The party better at the minimum hold the house and gain the senate. I think that is honestly the big plan. Drive down turnout. A huge turnout will bode well for the democrats most likely. What democratic policies do you agree with to the point you would wish for them to hold enough power to enforce these policies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted February 21, 2020 Report Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: What democratic policies do you agree with to the point you would wish for them to hold enough power to enforce these policies? My biggest one at this point is the climate. I'd love to see us go more toward single payer on healthcare as well but, that's secondary to climate. Other than that, I just prefer someone that at least will pretend to be trying to unify everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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