I AM IRONMAN Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 On 4/24/2024 at 8:33 AM, DBP66 said: Trump keeps begging for a "rally behind MAGA" — but his supporters aren't showing up to court Amanda Marcotte Wed, April 24, 2024 at 5:56 AM EDT·9 min read 233 Donald Trump Kyle Mazza/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images Donald Trump can't decide how he wants his supporters to feel about the scene outside of the Manhattan courtroom where he's being tried on 34 felony indictments for election interference and business fraud. He repeatedly argues that the city he travels through with a daily motorcade to his trial is a war zone. "Violent criminals that are murdering people, killing people" are free to "do whatever they want," he's falsely claimed, blasting District Attorney Alvin Bragg as "lazy on violent crime" because he's supposedly too focused on prosecuting Trump. It's all a lie — crime is way down from the pandemic-related spikes — but it's one Trump repeats ad nauseum. And it's constantly reinforced by Fox News, which pushes out a series of misleading stories and images meant to scare their elderly suburbanite audiences into believing that going into the nation's largest city results in instant murder. Nonetheless, Trump keeps pleading with his followers to run through what they've been told is a "bloodbath" in order to, you know, persuade Bragg and presiding Judge Juan Merchan to just give up on this whole trial nonsense. On Monday, Trump begged his followers on Truth Social to "RALLY BEHIND MAGA" at courthouses, unsubtly suggesting that they model themselves after the mostly imaginary leftist rioters who "scream, shout, sit, block traffic, enter buildings, not get permits, and basically do whatever they want." When the MAGA hats failed to show, Trump tried to inspire them with a post complaining that it's "SO UNFAIR!!!" that he doesn't get throngs of people like the kind seen at the anti-war protest up the street at Columbia University. Outside of a few scattered people with pro-Trump signs, though, the mob he longed for never showed. So he took his pleas to the cameras outside of the courthouse Tuesday morning: What's especially funny about all this is Trump can't quite admit that his people just aren't showing up. So he keeps blaming the barricades and the police presence. His lies got to the level of childish make-believe on Tuesday afternoon, as he falsely claimed on Truth Social that "Thousands of people were turned away from the Courthouse" and denied he "was disappointed by the crowds." Of course, by fantasizing about a massive caravan rallied to his defense, he proved he is not satisfied with reality. As the New York Times reported, "A day after Trump issued a call for more supporters to gather outside the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse, the number reached its nadir. The number of identifiable Trump fans across the street in Collect Pond Park on Tuesday sank to the mid-single digits, after hovering at about a dozen for a week." Trump's lies are about soothing his own ego, of course, but it also reads like a dare: C'mon, MAGA! Cops didn't stop you on January 6! And yet, they keep not showing up to protest Trump's criminal trial, peacefully or otherwise. It's not like anyone is stopping them, either. No matter what story Trump wants to tell, it's obvious what's happening: MAGA isn't there because they don't want to be. Perhaps the reason is they really are too scared to go into the city, after imbibing years of lies that New York is a war zone. I'd wager it is mostly because, despite the horror show on January 6, 2021, it turns out that most of MAGA is not actually as gung-ho to risk injury, prison or even death just because Dear Leader commands it. One would think, even with the shrinking possibility that Trump faces trial this year for his attempted coup that led to Capitol insurrection, that he might not want to speak out loud his wish to order up a rampaging mob like it's a Diet Coke. Nor does it seem like it would help him win the 2024 election, if he once again was the cause of mass violence. So it certainly speaks to his justified fear that the evidence against him is so overwhelming that he's grasping at this particular straw. Lucky for him, even people dumb enough to love Donald Trump are still smarter than he is, which is why they aren't rioting in the streets of Manhattan. Even the guy who died by suicide in front of the courthouse wasn't a Trump fan, but a bespoke conspiracy theorist who thought "The Simpsons" are out to destroy the world. There are two main reasons MAGA continues to ignore Trump's cries for crowds to mob the courthouse on his behalf. First is that they don't think it would really change anything. Second is that they don't see what's in it for them. Trump, unable to think about anyone but himself for even a second, hasn't bothered to persuade them it's to their benefit to take such a serious risk. On the second point, it's crucial to remember that while it is very cultish and Trump is their leader, MAGA is not actually a cult of personality. It is, fundamentally, a fascist movement, focused on restoring an imagined past based on white supremacy and male dominance. Trump is the vehicle for their grievances, not the other way around. Trump's anger over losing the 2020 election resonated with them not because they pitied him, but because they pity themselves. They wanted to win that election, too, and when he offered them a chance to steal it, they went for it, to protect their own egos more than his. With the first of his four criminal cases, it's not really clear how demanding Trump's "right" to commit fraud and lie about adultery serves the larger goals of MAGA. Plus, a lot of Trump's appeal to his base is the aura of impunity he's woven around himself. They've been led to believe he's got near-magical abilities to wriggle out of legal trouble, so why should they doubt he can do it again? And why stick their own necks out to help? As hard as it may be to believe, even Trump voters have some rationality and understanding of cause-and-effect. As a rule, even people who are enthusiastic about political violence aren't willy-nilly about such a serious undertaking. They want to know how the proposed act of violence will work to advance their political goals. Anti-abortion terrorists wanted to marginalize providers and scare other doctors out of the work. People who commit hate crimes are trying to drive people they hate out of their community. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols believed that bombing the Oklahoma Federal Building would draw attention and support for their white supremacist, far-right views. Decades later, Trump is winking at their terrorism publicly, so they weren't entirely wrong in their theory of the case, even as they were deeply evil. Trump is not good at logistics or long-term planning. The only reason January 6 got as close as it did to working is that right-wing lawyers like John Eastman and Kenneth Chesebro — both of whom have also been charged in Georgia for their roles in attempting to overturn the election — did all of the planning for him. They used social media and circulated memos to spread the word through MAGA that shutting down the election certification would give Trump and Republicans space to void the election and declare him president. It didn't work, but it was a plan. Trump doesn't have other people plotting illegal ways to derail his trial. As such, it's not even clear to his followers what he expects of them. If they riot, perhaps they shut down the courtroom for a day, but then what? The trial will just resume when things have quieted down, perhaps at another location. Or perhaps Trump wants them to show up in en masse to scare the jury a little. But that is just as likely to backfire since the message sent to the jury would be that Trump is so guilty he is resorting to intimidation because he can't win honestly. Either way, Trump hasn't communicated, even through his wink-and-nod method, how he thinks his followers could change the outcome here. So they're staying put. The good news is that it all suggests Trump is not a Svengali-type leader who can materialize a violent mob out of nothing. He really does need other people to draft his battle plans, recruit his foot soldiers, and communicate his wishes for him. Right now, he has no one to do that for him because, again, what's it in for them? People like Eastman and Chesebro were in on the coup because they're devoted fascists, not because of some great love of Trump. So they're not going to risk even more indictments to get him out of this particular pickle. Just copy the link! Thumb cramp from scrolling my iPad for so long..Jeez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 30 minutes ago, I AM IRONMAN said: Just copy the link! Thumb cramp from scrolling my iPad for so long..Jeez You don't read it anyway. And wouldn't believe it if you did. And would just ignore it if you believed it. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotback Right Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 The 2020 election was 3 1/2 years ago, and as near as I can see, the number of so-called "fake electors" convicted in any of the 7 states involved is zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 11 minutes ago, Slotback Right said: The 2020 election was 3 1/2 years ago, and as near as I can see, the number of so-called "fake electors" convicted in any of the 7 states involved is zero. You do realize that charges come before convictions, right? There have no been incitements in two states. But no worries. Even after they're convicted, you still won't believe it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted April 25 Report Share Posted April 25 Don’t let these fools lie to you. Democrats never cared about black people 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted April 26 Author Report Share Posted April 26 On 4/25/2024 at 9:27 AM, Slotback Right said: The 2020 election was 3 1/2 years ago, and as near as I can see, the number of so-called "fake electors" convicted in any of the 7 states involved is zero. and how many people have been indicted in Ga. and Az.??....a lot of "fakers"...😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotback Right Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 Indictments? Indictments? That's like getting the ball inside the red zone...No points for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 33 minutes ago, Slotback Right said: Indictments? Indictments? That's like getting the ball inside the red zone...No points for that. In that case the demonrats need a very long and accurate FG kicker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted April 27 Author Report Share Posted April 27 2 hours ago, Slotback Right said: Indictments? Indictments? That's like getting the ball inside the red zone...No points for that. LOL...I bet the people who were indicted don't think so...they know they are going to get sacked real soon....😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 6 minutes ago, DBP66 said: LOL...I bet the people who were indicted don't think so...they know they are going to get sacked real soon....😉 Another false start on the O ( Dems) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted April 27 Author Report Share Posted April 27 2 minutes ago, I AM IRONMAN said: Another false start on the O ( Dems) LOL...good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 27 Report Share Posted April 27 3 hours ago, Slotback Right said: Indictments? Indictments? That's like getting the ball inside the red zone...No points for that. Here's the pecking order of seriousness according to Republicans. Conviction (if it's a liberal) Indictment (if it's a liberal) Opening of fruitless investigation (if it's a liberal) Conviction (if it's a conservative, maybe) Indictment (if it's a conservative, maybe) Opening of investigation (puhlease!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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