Emails with Fauci and Francis Collins

[Atticus Finch]

3 minutes ago, badrouter said:

I’m afraid that word doesn’t mean what you think it means.

It means that his credentials are more apt than Makary's and you tried to claim that Ding was some kind of unqualified clown.

Turns out that you only cite Makary because he peddles your propaganda.

[badrouter]

9 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

She's the best one you listed.

But at least two of them are quacks and/or potential conspiracy theorists.

It's funny watching you attack experts that you don't like and then claim that the ones you do like are "voices of reason."

Have a look in the mirror. You describe yourself here.

[Atticus Finch]

10 minutes ago, badrouter said:

Have a look in the mirror. You describe yourself here.

We get that your butthurt over dunking on yourself with your pettiness and tomfoolery.

Remember, you were the one who brought up those doctors.

All of them.

Not me.

[badrouter]

3 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

We get that your butthurt over dunking on yourself with your pettiness and tomfoolery.

Remember, you were the one who brought up those doctors.

All of them.

Not me.

You haven’t made the case that you claim to have made here.

Here is new information from Gallup detailing the shift of folks like myself away from the Democratic Party: Large shift

 

[Warrior]

The cool aid only works if everyone drinks it. Jim Jones

Nothing to see

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CYgxpqlFtjq/?utm_medium=copy_link

[On2whls]

11 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

The arguments and evidence provided by the anti-vax, anti-establishment crowd never get any better.

It's endless incompetence by people like on2whls and others.

Who said I was anti-vax?  I have the shots.  In fact, I did the hybrid approach way before it was reported to be more effective than two of the same shot.  BTW, absolutely no negative impact on either shot.  What percentage of people having bad reactions to the shots (flu like symptoms) are now showing up with Covid versus those who have no reaction to the shots.  You might have to dig hard on that.  Could there be a simple test to check a persons resistance to Covid, or many other viruses that impact respiratory function?  There’s a lot of people running about that have amazing resistance to such viruses.  What’s their secret?
 

Plus, how does questioning the origin of Covid make one an anti-vaxer?  If the government was really interested in getting to the bottom of it, they would.  
 

[Atticus Finch]

13 hours ago, badrouter said:

You haven’t made the case that you claim to have made here.

Here is new information from Gallup detailing the shift of folks like myself away from the Democratic Party: Large shift

 

I know that you want to change the subject but this has already been covered.

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On 1/17/2022 at 5:40 PM, Atticus Finch said:

Here's the answer to the first question before they sorted the Independents. In other words, the second question merely tracks Presidential approval and/or national mood. As in, every midterm of a first-term President follows the same trend.

More people identified as Republican in November 2020. In fact, more people identified as a Republican in November 2021.

 

[Atticus Finch]

11 hours ago, Warrior said:

The cool aid only works if everyone drinks it. Jim Jones

Nothing to see

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CYgxpqlFtjq/?utm_medium=copy_link

It's not surprising that you don't even know how to spell kool-aid.

It's also not surprising that Instagram is your go-to source.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, On2whls said:

What percentage of people having bad reactions to the shots (flu like symptoms) are now showing up with Covid versus those who have no reaction to the shots.  You might have to dig hard on that.

For someone who claims to *not* be an anti-vaxxer you sure do traffic in a lot of their language.

For instance, what the hell are you talking about above?

Adverse reactions to the vaccine are exceedingly rare. 

And you're the one who would have to dig deep given you're the one making vague claims.

[Atticus Finch]

9 hours ago, On2whls said:

If the government was really interested in getting to the bottom of it, they would.  

This is rich.

The same person who claimed that the government can't be trusted to be unbiased is now claiming that they could really get to bottom of it if they wanted to

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On 1/17/2022 at 8:26 PM, On2whls said:

The spy agencies work for the government so they could hardly be described as unbiased.  

So On2whls wouldn't believe them anyway.

Also, this ignores reality in that governments (and non-government entities) have had almost two years to look into it and have found nothing.

What is the likelihood that people like On2whls would believe them if the evidence came back that it was zoonotic?

Fat chance.

[Warrior]

 

[Warrior]

1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

This is rich.

The same person who claimed that the government can't be trusted to be unbiased is now claiming that they could really get to bottom of it if they wanted to

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So On2whls wouldn't believe them anyway.

Also, this ignores reality in that governments (and non-government entities) have had almost two years to look into it and have found nothing.

What is the likelihood that people like On2whls would believe them if the evidence came back that it was zoonotic?

Fat chance.

 

Are you a paid Bot?

[badrouter]

2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

For someone who claims to *not* be an anti-vaxxer you sure do traffic in a lot of their language.

For instance, what the hell are you talking about above?

Adverse reactions to the vaccine are exceedingly rare. 

And you're the one who would have to dig deep given you're the one making vague claims.

By a gaping margin, the most persuasive “anti-vaxx” messaging has come from the folks who are eager to be alarmed over cases increasing and who call for more severe restrictions, cancellations and closures. You can find these folks all over social media. Legacy media no longer embraces them completely, but of course is excited to pump the panic porn of various sorts so as to increase “audience engagement”. This alarmist, “we must be vigilant and super careful and avoid gatherings and crowds” messaging has done profoundly more harm to the vaccination campaign than any other bit of messaging. 
 

Of course, those pushing such messages can’t see the harm they’re doing. Some are neurotic nutjobs who will spend the remainder of their lives terrified about various things, no matter what. And some have ulterior motives, namely a sort of “great reset”, or Revolution of the Proletariat. Combine those groups with the more reasonable but also spineless mainstream Democrats, and that’s how we end up where we are at: Imposing disciplinary measures on fully healthy and fully vaccinated people without any sort of metrics by which said measures end.

 

[Atticus Finch]

2 hours ago, Warrior said:

Are you a paid Bot?

To do what?

Expose your anti-vax and other general silliness?

[Atticus Finch]

57 minutes ago, badrouter said:

By a gaping margin, the most persuasive “anti-vaxx” messaging has come from the folks who are eager to be alarmed over cases increasing and who call for more severe restrictions, cancellations and closures. You can find these folks all over social media. Legacy media no longer embraces them completely, but of course is excited to pump the panic porn of various sorts so as to increase “audience engagement”. This alarmist, “we must be vigilant and super careful and avoid gatherings and crowds” messaging has done profoundly more harm to the vaccination campaign than any other bit of messaging. 

So another instance of badrouter just making something up and then giving his opinion on said made-up thing.

[Warrior]

23 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

To do what?

Expose your anti-vax and other general silliness?

 

Trust the science is the most anti-science statement you can make. Questioning is science. And your Vax is one ongoing science project that you've bought hook line and sinker. 

[Atticus Finch]

16 minutes ago, Warrior said:

Trust the science is the most anti-science statement you can make. Questioning is science.

This is one dumbest things you could possibly say. It's the same thing that every ignorant doofus says when they want to sound smart but also want to deny what science is.

Science is based on the scientific method. Saying trust the science is to say trust the process.

In science, "questioning" is done by other scientists using scientific methods. 

Not dumbasses on message boards.

The solution to bad science is not *no* science. It's *better* science.

What you have done in your pathetic and embarrassing existence here is post junk science.

[Atticus Finch]

20 minutes ago, Warrior said:

And your Vax is one ongoing science project that you've bought hook line and sinker. 

When your anti-vax agenda is derailed by reality, known facts and basic common sense this is what you're left to.

[Warrior]

2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

This is one dumbest things you could possibly say. It's the same thing that every ignorant doofus says when they want to sound smart but also want to deny what science is.

Science is based on the scientific method. Saying trust the science is to say trust the process.

In science, "questioning" is done by other scientists using scientific methods. 

Not dumbasses on message boards.

The solution to bad science is not *no* science. It's *better* science.

What you have done in your pathetic and embarrassing existence here is post junk science.

Other scientists questioning the jab…what happens if your world of Vaccine dependency happens to fall apart? Where do you go what do you do?

https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.com/2021/05/06/halt-covid-vaccine-prominent-scientist-tells-cdc/
 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/fda-who-booster-shots-opposition

https://www.citizensjournal.us/severe-concerns-israeli-scientists-sound-alarm-to-fda-concerning-covid-vaccine/

https://thepalmierireport.com/mit-research-scientist-kids-should-not-receive-covid-vaccines/
 

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-vaccines-skeptic/
 

And I’ll question the jab as many scientists already do vs listen to some blow hard whose life depends on a HS message board who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the wall. 
 

 

[badrouter]

2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

So another instance of badrouter just making something up and then giving his opinion on said made-up thing.

The tone and language of public health officials and others has always been one of supreme fear and caution. Many observe this and think, “so, if fully vaccinated people are at such severe risk that they are forced to wear face diapers and avoid gatherings, what’s the point of the vaccine?” Some interpret it to mean the vaccine is worthless- those are the unspoken sentiments of many vaccinated people, like Sonya Sotomayor. Others interpret it as evidence of a broader conspiracy to control people forever.  And many of us interpret it as gross incompetence which threatens our way of life for decades to come. 

I’ve always been outspoken with sometimes controversial opinions. I’ve been speaking out against Covid tyranny for close to two years. At some point, the thought crossed my mind: ‘What if, after everyone has had a chance to get fully vaccinated, they STILL impose disciplinary measures on all citizens?” I squashed the thought. I told myself there was no reason to be sure that could happen, and that it wasn’t worth having people think I was crazy to float the possibility. And yet here we are. With no end in sight, because no end has been described, detailed or discussed publicly by the rulers calling the shots. It seems increasingly clear that the only way out is to end up in a place without hard blue political officials. Bizarre, sad and true.

[badrouter]

2 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

This is one dumbest things you could possibly say. It's the same thing that every ignorant doofus says when they want to sound smart but also want to deny what science is.

Science is based on the scientific method. Saying trust the science is to say trust the process.

In science, "questioning" is done by other scientists using scientific methods. 

Not dumbasses on message boards.

The solution to bad science is not *no* science. It's *better* science.

What you have done in your pathetic and embarrassing existence here is post junk science.

I can agree with all of this. But must point out that the scientific method, the process, is not any one person or group of people. It is total, egomaniacal bullshit for Fauci to claim, on multiple occasions, that any criticism of him amounts to criticism of science. 
 

The VAST majority of policies employed have NOT been a product of the scientific method or results found from employing the method: they have been subjective determinations by people with the authority to make such determinations. They are/were judgement calls that competent, qualified scientists can and did and do disagree with. 

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, Warrior said:

Other scientists questioning the jab…

You can probably find a scientist that questioned the law of gravity.

Just like you can find a doctor who will endorse practically every quack medication in the history of mankind.

There are peer reviewed processes that these things go through.

Vaccine technology is settled science.

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, Warrior said:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/health-coronavirus-vaccines-skeptic/

I love when bozos link to articles that expose their experts. This is a takedown of your doctor.

Hilarious.

Late last year, a semi-retired British scientist co-authored a petition to Europe’s medicines regulator. The petitioners made a bold demand: Halt COVID-19 vaccine clinical trials.

Even bolder was their argument for doing so: They speculated, without providing evidence, that the vaccines could cause infertility in women.

[Atticus Finch]

It continues:

In October, Yeadon wrote a column for the United Kingdom’s Daily Mail newspaper that also appeared on MailOnline, one of the world’s most-visited news websites. It declared that deaths caused by COVID-19, which then totaled about 45,000 in Britain, will soon “fizzle out” and Britons “should immediately be allowed to resume normal life.” Since then, the disease has killed about another 80,000 people in the UK.

[Atticus Finch]

1 hour ago, Warrior said:

https://thepalmierireport.com/mit-research-scientist-kids-should-not-receive-covid-vaccines/

The Palmieri Report.

😄

Their doctor is Dr. Stephanie Seneff.

A doctor of Computer Science.