I AM IRONMAN Posted March 1 Author Report Share Posted March 1 Your eyes don’t lie…unless your head is in the sand, like most Libs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotback Right Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 14 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: So you think there's a border crisis and migrant crime is soaring but you were against the strongest border legislation in decades. Thank you. 1. The "strongest border legislation in decades" Is HR2 that passed the House in May of '23, and Schumer refuses to bring it to a vote. 2. The so-called "strongest border legislation YOU referred to was designed to speed up the practice of releasing illegals into the country. We don't want it sped up...We want it STOPPED! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 10 hours ago, Ga96 said: the news is pushing lies to rattle up the rest of the country. There's zero doubt that this is the case. That doesn't mean there's no reason to be concerned about it or pass legislation to address it. But there's unequivocally a right-wing industry that depends on stirring up nativist overreactions about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 9 hours ago, I AM IRONMAN said: c’mon man! 0 B · 2 downloads 9 hours ago, I AM IRONMAN said: IMG_0073.mov I AM IRONMAN is brilliant. Really, a genius of our time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 43 minutes ago, Slotback Right said: 1. The "strongest border legislation in decades" Is HR2 that passed the House in May of '23, and Schumer refuses to bring it to a vote. Normal people who tried to pass something 9 months ago, and fail, usually welcome a second push that gains bipartisan approval. You, and the rest of modern Republicans, are not normal people. Can't even take yes for an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 54 minutes ago, Slotback Right said: 2. The so-called "strongest border legislation YOU referred to was designed to speed up the practice of releasing illegals into the country. Both Lankford and McConnell endorsed the bill. And not because it does whatever you claimed just now. No, the bill expedites *asylum* proceedings for both those who qualify and those who don't. So quicker approvals and quicker deportations. Clarification for morons, asylum is a *legal* process. Not an illegal one. They are not illegal until they defy the law thereafter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Fox News barely covered a FBI report showing crime rates declined significantly in 2023 Fox News largely ignored the March release of the FBI’s quarterly report showing that crime in the U.S. dropped significantly last year, undermining the right-wing narrative that crime is increasingly rampant across the country. In the two weeks after the FBI report was released Fox News gave just 2 minutes of coverage to the decline in crime rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Also: https://www.nssf.org/articles/america-has-a-crime-reporting-problem/ AUGUST 10, 2023 AMERICA HAS A CRIME REPORTING PROBLEM By Salam Fatohi Tracking crime statistics – and more importantly, whether or not crime is rising or falling in the United States – is getting harder to do. That’s because nearly a third of America’s cities are no longer reporting crime statistics to the FBI. This is more than just a problem for policymakers looking for data to address the cities most in need of assistance. It also means that some policymakers are demanding bad policy because they’re relying on incomplete data. The Marshall Project reported that 31 percent of the 18,000 law enforcement agencies across the U.S. failed to report crime data to the FBI’s national database after transitioning to a new data collection system, according to the latest statistics from the FBI. That’s a slight improvement from 2021, when 40 percent of law enforcement agencies didn’t report crime data. Still, it’s a glaring blind spot, especially when that data is missing from some of the largest metro areas dealing with rampant, out-of-control crime. Many of those cities also happen to be led by the loudest voices calling for gun control, defunding police and soft-on-crime policies. The trifecta means that gun control politicians are missing a third of the crime picture yet demanding 100 percent of the gun control. Typical behavior for zealots who favor government control over individual freedom. Biggest Offenders Just 24 percent of New York’s police departments sent their crime data to the FBI. That’s a failing grade in anyone’s book. That includes New York City’s Police Department, along with neighboring Suffolk, Nassau and Westchester County police. Just 141 of the 583 New York police agencies reported data in 2022. Pennsylvania was worse, with just nine percent of police departments reporting crime data to the FBI. Only 126 of the 1,392 police agencies reported their statistics. Missing were Pittsburgh, Allentown and Scranton. Maryland police agencies reported just 38 percent of the time, with 65 of the 170 police departments failing to send the FBI crucial crime data. Departments surrounding Washington, D.C., which has been plagued by crime, didn’t submit any data, including Anne Arundel County and Howard County near Baltimore. Other surrounding communities including Montgomery County and Prince George’s County submitted just two months of data. California came in with just 49 percent – less than half – of police agencies sending crime statistics to the FBI. The Marshall Project reported that 44 states and the District of Columbia had higher reporting rates than California. Only 356 of the 721 police agencies in the Golden State submitted crime data to the FBI. Missing from that list were reports from the Los Angeles Police Department, Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Office, San Fransisco, San Jose, Oakland, Riverside, Sacramento County Sheriff’s Office and both the San Bernadino County Sheriff’s Office and Police Department. Illinois crime data submitted to the FBI in 2022 was only slightly better, with 52 percent of police agencies reporting. There, 464 of the 885 law enforcement agencies submitted data. Chicago’s Police Department fully reported but neighboring Lake County Sheriff’s Office and Du Page County Sheriff’s Office didn’t report any data. Cook County Sheriff’s Office reported just one month’s worth of data. New Jersey tied Illinois for percentage of law enforcement agencies reporting data at 52 percent. Just 301 of the 574 law enforcement agencies sent the FBI crime data for 2022. Paterson, Woodbridge, Edison, Clifton, Trenton and Camden Police Departments didn’t send the FBI any crime data in 2022. To be fair, the worst was Florida, with just eight percent of law enforcement agencies reporting their 2022 crime data to the FBI. That represents only 49 of the 633 police agencies in the Sunshine State. Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office, Orange County Sheriff’s Office and Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office didn’t report any crime data to the FBI that year. Neither did Orlando’s Police Department or Fort Lauderdale Police Department. Common Threads Apart from Florida, there’s a common thread among the states with the lowest reporting of crime data to the FBI. These are also states that host cities with headline-grabbing criminal episodes and public officials reluctant to crack down on criminals. They aren’t shy, though, in calling for gun control. New York’s Gov. Kathy Hochul was all too willing to sign into law a package of gun control bills after New York’s restrictive concealed carry laws were struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court’s Bruen decision. Those laws are even more confusing and crippling than before, including measures zoning off entire swaths of the state as “sensitive places” to deny permit holders from carrying concealed firearms. The state plans on enforcing ammunition background checks too which cannot be completed by the FBI. Meanwhile, George Soros-backed Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg admitted that crime is so bad in New York City that he’s afraid to ride the subway. Pennsylvania’s Gov. Josh Shapiro has never been shy about demanding more gun control. Yet, he’s been silent about his own failures to address rampant crime when he was the Commonwealth’s attorney general. Instead of demanding tougher action from soft-on-crime district attorneys like District Attorney Larry Krasner, he closed ranks with him demanding gun control but is silent on criminals walking free. Maryland’s Gov. Wes Moore recently took office and signed laws restricting where concealed carry permit holders could be armed and raised fees for those permits. He said at the time, “In Maryland, we refuse to say these problems are too big or too tough. We will act, and that’s exactly what today represents.” On crime, though, state lawmakers are still going soft, even proposing a bill earlier this year that would block felony murder charges for anyone under 25. California’s Gov. Gavin Newsom proposed a 28th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would gut the right of the people to keep and bear arms. He’s still blaming guns while residents in San Francisco and Los Angeles are being crushed by criminals. Illinois’ Gov. J.B. Pritzker signed a law early this year to ban the most commonly-owned semiautomatic rifle in America – the AR-15 – blaming guns for crime there. That law is being challenged by NSSF. He’s expected to sign a new law banning First Amendment-protected Free Speech by banning firearm ads that might be attractive to minors, despite the blatant unconstitutionality of that idea. Gov. Pritzker is quick to blame the firearm industry and attack Second Amendment rights, along with First Amendment rights. Criminals, though, are a different matter. He signed a law, which was upheld by the Illinois Supreme Court, to end cash bail in the Land of Lincoln. Critics warn that this puts dangerous and violent criminals back on the streets. New Jersey’s Gov. Phil Murphy attempted to throttle firearm sales during the COVID-19 pandemic until he was forced by the courts to relent. He signed laws to allow frivolous lawsuits against the firearm industry for crimes committed by remote third parties. That law was challenged by NSSF and enjoined while the case is heard. The first step in correcting problems is to identify the problems. When cities fail to report their crime statistics, it leads to a false sense of progress. The crime isn’t going away, just the reporting. These politicians aren’t solving problems by ignoring missing reports to the FBI. They’re only sweeping the problems under their rug of gun control demands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 To refute FBI crime statistics, concha cites a national gun lobby. What a clown. What a serious person might do, in the case of crime statistics not being reported nationally, is to go to the source. But that would just support the original source and concha can't have that. Here's just one example. NYC crime stats 2023: Are crime rates up or down in the city? According to NYPD statistics, overall crime was down in New York City in 2023 by just under a percentage point compared to 2022. Both years saw more reported crimes compared to 2020 and 2021, but rates are lower compared to 2019, before COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 2 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: To refute FBI crime statistics, concha cites a national gun lobby. What a clown. What a serious person might do, in the case of crime statistics not being reported nationally, is to go to the source. But that would just support the original source and concha can't have that. Here's just one example. NYC crime stats 2023: Are crime rates up or down in the city? According to NYPD statistics, overall crime was down in New York City in 2023 by just under a percentage point compared to 2022. Both years saw more reported crimes compared to 2020 and 2021, but rates are lower compared to 2019, before COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns. Concha presented a chart from the NCVS of the Department of Justice. 🤡 And I'm happy to see you try to refute the crime reporting data from the article. Off you go, Andy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, concha said: Concha presented a chart from the NCVS of the Department of Justice. 🤡 No, you linked to an opinion piece by the NSSF which is a national gun trade association. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 1 hour ago, concha said: And I'm happy to see you try to refute the crime reporting data from the article. Off you go, Andy. The chart that they included uses the FBI data. So they used the same data. They then overlaid survey results on top of it so they could smuggle in their agenda. Because they're a lobby. They're paid to publish propaganda. I shouldn't have to tell a trained toady like yourself why that's a bullshit methodology. You don't compare unlike data sources. Comparing raw crime data to surveys (which are basically just people's vibes) is not scientific. This is exactly the kind of stuff that you do on the regular. You compare unbiased credible data sources to your bullshit handpicked propaganda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Just now, Atticus Finch said: The chart that they included uses the FBI data. So they used the same data. They then overlaid survey results on top of it so they could smuggle in their agenda. Because they're a lobby. They're paid to publish propaganda. I shouldn't have to tell a trained toady like yourself why that's a bullshit methodology. You don't compare unlike data sources. Comparing raw crime data to surveys (which are basically just people's vibes) is not scientific. This is exactly the kind of stuff that you do on the regular. You compare unbiased credible data sources to your bullshit handpicked propaganda. LMAO!!! He just can't help himself. Zero integrity and zero honesty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 12 minutes ago, World Citizen said: LMAO!!! He just can't help himself. Zero integrity and zero honesty. What's more is that his sources are obvious bullshit. The chart couldn't claim that the FBI data and Victim's Survey never disagree because, to the contrary, they *almost always* disagree. Which should be informative to a reasonable person. Instead, they claim that the the two have never disagreed "so much" which also doesn't go far enough because they routinely disagree by a lot. Like 2000 when the crime data was flat but people reported it being down 20%. Or 2005 when the crime data was up about 3% but people reported it going up 21%. Or 2020 when the crime data was up 5% but people reported it being down 21%. Large disagreements between the two data sets are fairly common. Anybody with some sense and no agenda could easily see that. Turns out, self-reporting is wildly inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 59 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: The chart that they included uses the FBI data. So they used the same data. They then overlaid survey results on top of it so they could smuggle in their agenda. Because they're a lobby. They're paid to publish propaganda. I shouldn't have to tell a trained toady like yourself why that's a bullshit methodology. You don't compare unlike data sources. Comparing raw crime data to surveys (which are basically just people's vibes) is not scientific. This is exactly the kind of stuff that you do on the regular. You compare unbiased credible data sources to your bullshit handpicked propaganda. The NCVS is literally done by the the Justice Bureau, you buffoon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 37 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said: Turns out, self-reporting is wildly inaccurate. How is it when data from our largest cities is incomplete yet we see businesses fleeing due to crime? 🤡 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted April 4 Author Report Share Posted April 4 8 minutes ago, concha said: How is it when data from our largest cities is incomplete yet we see businesses fleeing due to crime? 🤡 They see what they want to see, plain and simple. Like Jill B last night replying to the fact that Trump is winning in 6 of 7 swing states ( fact). She said no he’s not! then backs it with , Joe is doing better in those states (still losing Jill!) No use going back and forth with these blind 🐑. You present facts and they scream THATS NOT TRUE 😭😭😭 but my favorite is We got him THIS time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 42 minutes ago, concha said: The NCVS is literally done by the the Justice Bureau, you buffoon. I never claimed otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 40 minutes ago, concha said: How is it when data from our largest cities is incomplete And then I went to our the largest city and fished out the data. Crime rate slightly down there as well. As it likely would be everywhere else, too. It's not that hard to be honest, concha. You should try it once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 42 minutes ago, concha said: yet we see businesses fleeing due to crime? Because this is not true. You're making it up because you're a dishonest agenda-pusher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 38 minutes ago, I AM IRONMAN said: They see what they want to see, plain and simple. concha went fishing so he could deny the FBI crime data. He's the definition of someone who sees only what he wants to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotback Right Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 16 hours ago, concha said: The NCVS is literally done by the the Justice Bureau, you buffoon. 16 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: I never claimed otherwise. You never claimed you're a buffoon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotback Right Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 16 hours ago, Atticus Finch said: concha went fishing so he could deny the FBI crime data. You are being disingenuous. You're smart enough to know that if the cops won't arrest the criminals, because they know the woke DAs won't prosecute them, then of course crime statistics will go down. Or am I giving you too much credit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, Slotback Right said: You're smart enough to know that if the cops won't arrest the criminals, because they know the woke DAs won't prosecute them, then of course crime statistics will go down. Or am I giving you too much credit? Whenever I think you can't possibly be any dumber, you proceed to out-do yourself. The FBI crime data comes from *reported* crimes. It has nothing to do with arrests or prosecutions, dumbass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted April 24 Report Share Posted April 24 Just to put a bow on this. What the data says about crime in the U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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