BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 David Leonhardt Op-Ed Columnist Donald Trump doesn’t like to follow the rules. He lies constantly. He cheats on his wife (and not just the current one). His businesses are notorious for stiffing customers and vendors. As president, he has violated one longstanding norm after another. When Trump believes it’s convenient for him to break a rule, he often just decides that the rule doesn’t matter. This longstanding pattern probably goes a long way toward explaining yesterday’s events: The F.B.I. conducted a raid of the office and hotel room of Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen — a raid approved by the United States attorney for the southern district of New York, Geoffrey Berman, who was appointed by the Trump administration just three months ago. Think about how extraordinary this is. Receiving a warrant to search any lawyer’s office is unusual, given the power of attorney-client privilege. And in this case, the office being searched is that of the lawyer representing the president of the United States. Which means that the search required the approval of both top Justice Department officials and a federal judge. Why would they have granted it? Because they had good reason to believe that Cohen would have refused to follow the rules and voluntarily turn over material relevant to an investigation. As a former senior law enforcement official told CNN’s Jake Tapper, it’s likely that either Cohen “was so uncooperative they couldn’t get the information from subpoena or they had proof there was destruction of evidence.” People who are willing to break the rules can sometimes get away with it for a long time. But sometimes their history and their misbehavior catch up with them. That now may be happening to Trump. If so, thank goodness. We’re supposed to be a nation of laws, where rulebreaking brings consequences. Related: In The Times, Harry Litman — a former federal prosecutor — explains what the investigators may be looking for. Asha Rangappa, a former F.B.I. special agent, says the raid is another sign that the Russia probe may continue even if Trump fires Robert Mueller, the special counsel overseeing the Russia investigation: The president “will be sorely mistaken if he thinks that getting rid of Mueller will stop anything that has already started rolling in our justice system,” she said. Trump continues to refuse to play by the rules. The government seems to have followed the exact process for conducting a search of an attorney’s office, as law professor Steve Vladeck notes. Yet Trump “made it sound — dangerously — like treason,” writes The New Yorker’s Amy Davidson Sorkin. “Now more than ever,” Bill Kristol tweeted, “Republicans in Congress, and others in leadership roles, should step up” to protect Mueller. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: David Leonhardt Op-Ed Columnist Donald Trump doesn’t like to follow the rules. He lies constantly. He cheats on his wife (and not just the current one). His businesses are notorious for stiffing customers and vendors. As president, he has violated one longstanding norm after another. When Trump believes it’s convenient for him to break a rule, he often just decides that the rule doesn’t matter. This longstanding pattern probably goes a long way toward explaining yesterday’s events: The F.B.I. conducted a raid of the office and hotel room of Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen — a raid approved by the United States attorney for the southern district of New York, Geoffrey Berman, who was appointed by the Trump administration just three months ago. Think about how extraordinary this is. Receiving a warrant to search any lawyer’s office is unusual, given the power of attorney-client privilege. And in this case, the office being searched is that of the lawyer representing the president of the United States. Which means that the search required the approval of both top Justice Department officials and a federal judge. Why would they have granted it? Because they had good reason to believe that Cohen would have refused to follow the rules and voluntarily turn over material relevant to an investigation. As a former senior law enforcement official told CNN’s Jake Tapper, it’s likely that either Cohen “was so uncooperative they couldn’t get the information from subpoena or they had proof there was destruction of evidence.” People who are willing to break the rules can sometimes get away with it for a long time. But sometimes their history and their misbehavior catch up with them. That now may be happening to Trump. If so, thank goodness. We’re supposed to be a nation of laws, where rulebreaking brings consequences. Related: In The Times, Harry Litman — a former federal prosecutor — explains what the investigators may be looking for. Asha Rangappa, a former F.B.I. special agent, says the raid is another sign that the Russia probe may continue even if Trump fires Robert Mueller, the special counsel overseeing the Russia investigation: The president “will be sorely mistaken if he thinks that getting rid of Mueller will stop anything that has already started rolling in our justice system,” she said. Trump continues to refuse to play by the rules. The government seems to have followed the exact process for conducting a search of an attorney’s office, as law professor Steve Vladeck notes. Yet Trump “made it sound — dangerously — like treason,” writes The New Yorker’s Amy Davidson Sorkin. “Now more than ever,” Bill Kristol tweeted, “Republicans in Congress, and others in leadership roles, should step up” to protect Mueller. His opinion as it is an opinion piece. carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: His opinion as it is an opinion piece. carry on as is yours, kid.....people actually read his opinions though. Carry on.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: His opinion as it is an opinion piece. carry on Riveting commentary from the esteemed Nazi oven operator. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Pretty much everything I read lends to the same opinion in this O.P. Trump is pretty severely hamstringed in this now. He's probably not far off from an obstruction case against him already, and firing the three guys tasked with the investigation(s) will be further proof he is trying to obstruct the case(s). He can screech and rile up Drummer and GardenStateBaller all he wants. He's cornered right now I think. All he has left is to screech. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Pretty much everything I read lends to the same opinion in this O.P. Trump is pretty severely hamstringed in this now. He's probably not far off from an obstruction case against him already, and firing the three guys tasked with the investigation(s) will be further proof he is trying to obstruct the case(s). He can screech and rile up Drummer and GardenStateBaller all he wants. He's cornered right now I think. All he has left is to screech. we know he has tried to obstruct. We know he will fire Rosenstein and Mueller. So what? He will not be impeached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, noonereal said: we know he has tried to obstruct. We know he will fire Rosenstein and Mueller. So what? He will not be impeached. Maybe not. I honestly don't care whether he is or not at this point. I just can't wait until the next democrat president comes in and follows this guy's precedent. Can you imagine Drummer and Gball's posts when that happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Maybe not. I honestly don't care whether he is or not at this point. I just can't wait until the next democrat president comes in and follows this guy's precedent. Can you imagine Drummer and Gball's posts when that happens? We would have bloodshed if a dem dared. I think we all know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 I'm actually pleasantly surprised and impressed at Drummer for not siezing up and falling out over a name from the op. Asha Rangappa Iranian descent. FBI special agent once. Dean of Admissions at Yale. etc. etc. Maybe he is maturing a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, noonereal said: We would have bloodshed if a dem dared. I think we all know this. So should we have bloodshed now is not a bad question to pose then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, HawgGoneIt said: I'm actually pleasantly surprised and impressed at Drummer for not siezing up and falling out over a name from the op. Asha Rangappa Iranian descent. FBI special agent once. Dean of Admissions at Yale. etc. etc. Maybe he is maturing a bit. Drummer can't really aford to get any more mature. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanscript Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Maybe not. I honestly don't care whether he is or not at this point. I just can't wait until the next democrat president comes in and follows this guy's precedent. Can you imagine Drummer and Gball's posts when that happens? Nobody should be allowed to follow his precedent, Republican, Democrat nor Independent. If Congress had made a law that all presidential candidates must show the last 10 years of their tax returns we wouldn't be in this mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, HawgGoneIt said: So should we have bloodshed now is not a bad question to pose then? no, we should never what we should do is make laws, when this is over, that echo past practices having learned that without them, one day someone will come along and abuse the system for self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: So should we have bloodshed now is not a bad question to pose then? There isn’t going to be any bloodshed, now or ever. You guys are flirting with Full Retard here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, zulu1128 said: There isn’t going to be any bloodshed, now or ever. You guys are flirting with Full Retard here. If Obie or Hill did the things Trump is doing I fervently believe we would have some serious problem in the country that resulted in violence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, noonereal said: If Obie or Hill did the things Trump is doing I fervently believe we would have some serious problem in the country that resulted in violence. Fair enough. I’ll go ahead and fervently believe that you’re going Full Retard. Carry on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted April 10, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 23 minutes ago, stanscript said: Nobody should be allowed to follow his precedent, Republican, Democrat nor Independent. If Congress had made a law that all presidential candidates must show the last 10 years of their tax returns we wouldn't be in this mess. Noble idea, then who would run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted April 10, 2018 Report Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Noble idea, then who would run? He won the election without revealing them. Apparently not a big deal. Meanwhile, Hillary and the Poodle were off rigging the Dem primary... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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