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15 hours ago, Bormio said:

Quid pro schmo.  What people are missing is that everyone’s mind is made up - this has been going on for 3 years.  Just as nothing that Clinton had done was going to lead Democrats to convict him, the same is true of the GOP.  What the Democrats are getting all huffy about now is simply not going to change minds.  Sure, there will be groaning and moaning by some GOP Senators- but they will not remove Trump.  Democrats can get all hot and bothered- but it will not matter.  The election is going to decide - so you Dems better choose wisely.

 

2 hours ago, Bormio said:

See the Clinton impeachment 

While I think there is no qualitative equivalence between Clinton lying about a blow job in the oval office while under oath, and Trump withholding military aid to pressure another nation to dig up dirt on a likely political opponent and then his staff trying to cover it up, removal from office after impeachment is indeed a very high bar that has never been cleared in American history.

You are in good company with your argument.  In Federalist 65, it's almost as if Hamilton peered through the ages and commented on the current Republican failure to abandon Donald Trump:

 

“The prosecution of [impeachments], for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly, or inimical to the accused.  In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influences, and interests on one side or on the other; and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of the parties than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.

 

As you and Hamilton both point out, it is the comparative strength of the parties, not any real demonstration of innocence or guilt, that will regulate the decision as to the President's fate.  In other words, the President's defense has been reduced to raw political power, no longer a genuine examination of facts, but rather a numbers game to assemble enough Senators to ensure Trump's acquittal.

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19 minutes ago, 15yds4gibberish said:

 

While I think there is no qualitative equivalence between Clinton lying about a blow job in the oval office while under oath, and Trump withholding military aid to pressure another nation to dig up dirt on a likely political opponent and then his staff trying to cover it up, removal from office after impeachment is indeed a very high bar that has never been cleared in American history.

You are in good company with your argument.  In Federalist 65, it's almost as if Hamilton peered through the ages and commented on the current Republican failure to abandon Donald Trump:

 

“The prosecution of [impeachments], for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly, or inimical to the accused.  In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influences, and interests on one side or on the other; and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of the parties than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.

 

As you and Hamilton both point out, it is the comparative strength of the parties, not any real demonstration of innocence or guilt, that will regulate the decision as to the President's fate.  In other words, the President's defense has been reduced to raw political power, no longer a genuine examination of facts, but rather a numbers game to assemble enough Senators to ensure Trump's acquittal.

The goalposts moved a lot with Democratic politicians and the public during the Clinton affair - and will in this case as well, if the need arises.  The bar is properly meant to be very high

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16 minutes ago, 15yds4gibberish said:

 

While I think there is no qualitative equivalence between Clinton lying about a blow job in the oval office while under oath, and Trump withholding military aid to pressure another nation to dig up dirt on a likely political opponent and then his staff trying to cover it up, removal from office after impeachment is indeed a very high bar that has never been cleared in American history.

You are in good company with your argument.  In Federalist 65, it's almost as if Hamilton peered through the ages and commented on the current Republican failure to abandon Donald Trump:

 

“The prosecution of [impeachments], for this reason, will seldom fail to agitate the passions of the whole community, and to divide it into parties more or less friendly, or inimical to the accused.  In many cases it will connect itself with the pre-existing factions, and will enlist all their animosities, partialities, influences, and interests on one side or on the other; and in such cases there will always be the greatest danger that the decision will be regulated more by the comparative strength of the parties than by the real demonstrations of innocence or guilt.

 

As you and Hamilton both point out, it is the comparative strength of the parties, not any real demonstration of innocence or guilt, that will regulate the decision as to the President's fate.  In other words, the President's defense has been reduced to raw political power, no longer a genuine examination of facts, but rather a numbers game to assemble enough Senators to ensure Trump's acquittal.

Astonishing...again.  The unbelievably short sighted thinking is GOING to come back and bite this country again.  In the future, if a Democrat were to do exactly what Trump is doing, there is zero doubt there would be outrage and immediate impeachment.  I almost wish it would happen (even though I would never vote for any Democrat that openly stated he would accept help from a foreign country in order to win an election) but of course the amnesia would set in as none of what is happening now would be remembered.  

Trump openly stated on tv that he would accept help from a foreign country and would not report it to the FBI.  AND STILL they think he is innocent and it is a witch hunt.  Amazing that the most corrupt and biggest liar ever in the history of the world (Lol) is now thought of as the only human being left in this country who tells the truth and that can be trusted.  

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A retired, decorated US Air Force general from Pennsylvania has been busted on 15 child pornography possession counts, prosecutors announced Wednesday.

Former Brig. Gen. Frank Sullivan was charged after a search of computers in his Mechanicsburg home revealed thousands of searches for “preteen” images, as well as photos of children “engaged in very graphic sexual acts,” the state’s attorney general Josh Shapiro said in a statement.

https://nypost.com/2019/11/06/retired-air-force-general-arrested-on-child-porn-charges-prosecutors/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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Polk County deputies say that 17 men were arrested at the conclusion of the month-long investigation, which targeted those who possessed and shared child pornography. Among those arrested were a former middle school assistant principal, two theme park employees, and a registered nurse.

Deputies also conducted a separate special investigation during the month of October called Operation Trick-Or-Treat. During this operation, 14 men who were previously convicted of preying on children were also arrested.

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On 11/6/2019 at 12:25 PM, stanscript said:

Yeah, and Rudy Giuliani had some credibility as a pretty good lawyer but that was almost 20 years ago.  I'm not so sure that most other lawyers would call her prominent.  Perhaps well known is a better term but then again so is Michael Cohen.

She seems to be more of an ambulance chaser now but that's really an asset because when the bus runs over her there will be one nearby.

 

You should try to fix your own state before trying to fuck up the whole country.

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2 hours ago, Cat_Scratch said:

You should try to fix your own state before trying to fuck up the whole country.

Well said, Cat. My once kick ass state is now an unlivable crap hole. It will only get worse as long as the usual local criminal political families, Hollywood, and big tech run the show while the MSM covers for them and their anti-American and economy-killing policies. I’m counting my days.

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