HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 Let's see what Lightfoot does when she wakes up to federal troops in her neighborhood https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-chicago-police-dhs-deployment-20200720-dftu5ychwbcxtg4ltarh5qnwma-story.html?outputType=amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 What kind of evil human being would turn down help when their city is a war zone? These Democratic leaders would rather have their constituents killed then get help from Donald Trump. That is some next level hatred 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Nolebull813 said: What kind of evil human being would turn down help when their city is a war zone? These Democratic leaders would rather have their constituents killed then get help from Donald Trump. That is some next level hatred They don't care about their constituents. Ita all about them they are protected 24/7. Her people can die daily. Nothing she will do to stop it. But trump will 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 35 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: What kind of evil human being would turn down help when their city is a war zone? These Democratic leaders would rather have their constituents killed then get help from Donald Trump. That is some next level hatred Not saying ‘pubs are angels. That certainly has been exposed recently that they’re not as they continue to stay silent through all of this shit. But THIS kind of hatred and hunger for power at the cost of everyone and our country can only be harnessed and carries out by democraps, socialists, and anarchists. No doubt. God help us. Serious as a heart attack. Trump is literally the ONE person standing up for America at this point. What - The - fu k?!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Not saying ‘pubs are angels. That certainly has been exposed recently that they’re not as they continue to stay silent through all of this shit. But THIS kind of hatred and hunger for power at the cost of everyone and our country can only be harnessed and carries out by democraps, socialists, and anarchists. No doubt. God help us. Serious as a heart attack. Trump is literally the ONE person standing up for America at this point. What - The - fu k?!!!! America is a social experiment and it looks like it won't make 500 years old. Very sad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: America is a social experiment and it looks like it won't make 500 years old. Very sad. Agreed. who’da though that history would make US, right here right now, the chosen ones to keep the “experiment” alive. Well...WE are. This is history right now. Remember the choices that our original patriots had to make. It’da been easiest to just pay the fu king taxes. We are the modern day patriots. I’m ready. I’ve lived a great life and will continue to do so, God willing. I’m not going to sit by idly and watch everything that our forefathers, sisters, and children died for to let this shit happen. If and when the time comes in my lifetime, I’ll be ready. Because you’re right. It’s comin’. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Blueliner said: Agreed. who’da though that history would make US, right here right now, the chosen ones to keep the “experiment” alive. Well...WE are. This is history right now. Remember the choices that our original patriots had to make. It’da been easiest to just pay the fu king taxes. We are the modern day patriots. I’m ready. I’ve lived a great life and will continue to do so, God willing. I’m not going to sit by idly and watch everything that our forefathers, sisters, and children died for to let this shit happen. If and when the time comes in my lifetime, I’ll be ready. Because you’re right. It’s comin’. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 R u saying you would have rather stayed a subject of the crown?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, HSFBfan said: R u saying you would have rather stayed a subject of the crown?? Whoa. No. Not at all. On the contrary. My point is that many Americans, at the time, were faced with that conundrum. It would have been easier for many new world Americans to just say “eff it” and keep paying taxes to the crown and have “long term” security. Life was good. I don’t think I need to tell you what happened from there. We are at that point now again. Do we just say “eff it”. I certainly could. I’m very secure for the rest of my life no matter what happens (just like many Americans in 1775). But I won’t. Too many died and sacrificed to give me what I have. These loser leftist socialists are the minority only due to the media hype that they (for now at least). But at some point, they’ll be the vocal majority. I’ll be ready when that time comes. Anyone that doesn’t see this coming is either ok with it or stupid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Whoa. No. Not at all. On the contrary. My point is that many Americans, at the time, were faced with that conundrum. It would have been easier for many new world Americans to just say “eff it” and keep paying taxes to the crown and have “long term” security. Life was good. I don’t think I need to tell you what happened from there. We are at that point now again. Do we just say “eff it”. I certainly could. I’m very secure for the rest of my life no matter what happens (just like many Americans in 1775). But I won’t. Too many died and sacrificed to give me what I have. These loser leftist socialists are the minority only due to the media hype that they (for now at least). But at some point, they’ll be the vocal majority. I’ll be ready when that time comes. Anyone that doesn’t see this coming is either ok with it or stupid. many people in this country were loyalists esp in NYC. I'm ready. More Americans than ever are buying and registering guns. They know where this country is headed and are ready to protect themselves. The people who pulled the guns on BLM are going to be pardoned by the Governor. Shouldn't be charged at all but at least nothing will happen to them I've said for years another civil war is coming. See my financial situation and such I could easily go with the socialist and demand the government give me everything and that America has failed me and blah blah blah but I don't believe in that 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playballintxandmi Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 How is this constitutional? It appears to violate the 10th Amendment on its face. Is there a congressional statute that gives the Feds this power? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, playballintxandmi said: How is this constitutional? It appears to violate the 10th Amendment on its face. Is there a congressional statute that gives the Feds this power? Legal experts say the president does indeed have the authority under the Insurrection Act of 1807 to dispatch the military in states that are unable to put down an insurrection or are defying federal law. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/does-trump-have-authority-to-invoke-1807-insurrection-act-and-deploy-federal-troops-to-us-states-to-quell-protest-and-rioting-2020-06-02 posse comitatus act signed by Rutherford Hayes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 Portland police chief https://www.dailywire.com/news/this-is-no-longer-about-george-floyd-portland-police-union-boss-claims-elected-officials-are-condoning-destruction-and-chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playballintxandmi Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Legal experts say the president does indeed have the authority under the Insurrection Act of 1807 to dispatch the military in states that are unable to put down an insurrection or are defying federal law. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/does-trump-have-authority-to-invoke-1807-insurrection-act-and-deploy-federal-troops-to-us-states-to-quell-protest-and-rioting-2020-06-02 posse comitatus act signed by Rutherford Hayes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act The article you cite has a couple of legal experts that state the President hasn't met the requisite conditions under the Insurrection Act of 1807 Eugene Fidell, who teaches military justice at Yale Law School, said Monday that he does not believe Trump has the authority to send in troops without the governors’ permission in these circumstances. “Absent a request from the legislature or the governor of a state, I think the only way the power can be lawfully exercised is if there were an impeding of federal authority,” he said, pointing to the example of Little Rock, Arkansas, when troops were sent in because the state was not abiding by a federal court order. Kent Greenfield, a constitutional law professor at Boston College, said that what seems to distinguish this instance from many past ones — such as school desegregation clashes — is that there’s no allegation that states are refusing to enforce federal law. “The president is not asserting the right to enforce federal law. The president is asserting here the right to quell protests that are best left as a political matter and a prudential matter to the discretion of the states,” Greenfield said. He added, “He has the power to enforce his law, but he is not saying that the laws aren’t being enforced. He is saying they’re not being enforced the way he wants them to be enforced.” Also, "Before invoking the powers under the Act, 10 U.S.C. § 254 requires the President to first publish a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse."--I'm not aware if the president has published a proclamation stating that protesters/looters must disperse by a certain date? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, playballintxandmi said: The article you cite has a couple of legal experts that state the President hasn't met the requisite conditions under the Insurrection Act of 1807 Eugene Fidell, who teaches military justice at Yale Law School, said Monday that he does not believe Trump has the authority to send in troops without the governors’ permission in these circumstances. “Absent a request from the legislature or the governor of a state, I think the only way the power can be lawfully exercised is if there were an impeding of federal authority,” he said, pointing to the example of Little Rock, Arkansas, when troops were sent in because the state was not abiding by a federal court order. Kent Greenfield, a constitutional law professor at Boston College, said that what seems to distinguish this instance from many past ones — such as school desegregation clashes — is that there’s no allegation that states are refusing to enforce federal law. “The president is not asserting the right to enforce federal law. The president is asserting here the right to quell protests that are best left as a political matter and a prudential matter to the discretion of the states,” Greenfield said. He added, “He has the power to enforce his law, but he is not saying that the laws aren’t being enforced. He is saying they’re not being enforced the way he wants them to be enforced.” Also, "Before invoking the powers under the Act, 10 U.S.C. § 254 requires the President to first publish a proclamation ordering the insurgents to disperse."--I'm not aware if the president has published a proclamation stating that protesters/looters must disperse by a certain date? But they do say he has the power to send in the troops Legal experts say the president does indeed have the authority under the Insurrection Act of 1807 to dispatch the military in states that are unable to put down an insurrection or are defying federal law. Stephen Vladeck, a national security and constitutional law expert at the University of Texas at Austin, said on Twitter that the federal government does not necessarily need a state request before using troops for domestic law enforcement, and that the Insurrection Act is open-ended in letting the president decide when circumstances merited its use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 This is also a great article https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/20/trump-john-yoo-lawyer-torture-waterboarding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 More on the posse comitatus act https://www.northcom.mil/Newsroom/Fact-Sheets/Article-View/Article/563993/the-posse-comitatus-act/ The Insurrection Act, Chapter 13 of Title 10 (10 USC Sections 251-255). This act allows the President to use U.S. military personnel at the request of a state legislature or governor to suppress insurrections. It also allows the president to use federal troops to enforce federal laws when rebellion against the authority of the U.S. makes it impracticable to enforce the laws of the U.S. by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 hour ago, HSFBfan said: many people in this country were loyalists esp in NYC. I'm ready. More Americans than ever are buying and registering guns. They know where this country is headed and are ready to protect themselves. The people who pulled the guns on BLM are going to be pardoned by the Governor. Shouldn't be charged at all but at least nothing will happen to them I've said for years another civil war is coming. See my financial situation and such I could easily go with the socialist and demand the government give me everything and that America has failed me and blah blah blah but I don't believe in that Exactly. Considering where my money is, I personally will survive. The market will always survive. Big business in America will always survive. But I reach beyond ME. I care about others and who sacrificed WHAT to give me the OPPORTUNITY to reap what I have sown. And I, just like you do, know where this country is headed. I'm glad I'm in Tennessee now. When it's time, it's time. This whole civil instability and unrest is not a coincidence. The good news is that it's a very vocal immature minority (like 66, noon, Buf etc) that control the narrative because of the media. But there are enough reasonable, responsible, rational, Americans to hold them off THIS TIME. Not sure about next time though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Exactly. Considering where my money is, I personally will survive. The market will always survive. Big business in America will always survive. But I reach beyond ME. I care about others and who sacrificed WHAT to give me the OPPORTUNITY to reap what I have sown. And I, just like you do, know where this country is headed. I'm glad I'm in Tennessee now. When it's time, it's time. This whole civil instability and unrest is not a coincidence. The good news is that it's a very vocal immature minority (like 66, noon, Buf etc) that control the narrative because of the media. But there are enough reasonable, responsible, rational, Americans to hold them off THIS TIME. Not sure about next time though. Maybe we should have learned from the past and this wouldn't have happened today. The 1960s started this downfall and now those people kids are in their 20s and 30s and have been brainwashed by the hippie generation and other sources. We are reaping the ramifications from bad decision after bad decision over the past decades. Less criminal punishment. No military draft. Too many government programs. Etc etc I maybe joining you in Tennessee sooner than later. Ill be right around the Nashville area 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: Maybe we should have learned from the past and this wouldn't have happened today. The 1960s started this downfall and now those people kids are in their 20s and 30s and have been brainwashed by the hippie generation and other sources. We are reaping the ramifications from bad decision after bad decision over the past decades. Less criminal punishment. No military draft. Too many government programs. Etc etc THEY know the weaknesses of a capitalist society. THEY began this decades ago, as you alluded to. And now we are in the final stages of that vision by the Marxists. We are at a crossroads for sure. Clowns like the aforementioned are being used and abused and they don't even realize it. Why would they? Their indoctrination was part of the process. When you're being "indoctrinated", the plan is to indoctrinate young people that are oblivious as to what you're being indoctrinated about. ...so here we are with what the decades of America-hating indoctrination of Marxism has done to our country. We now have anti-American Marxism at the highest levels that will let rioting, civil unrest, fascism, destroying our history, and discrimination (against white people...or whoever gets in their way) be "the new normal" . GOD and Trump help us🙏 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Blueliner said: THEY know the weaknesses of a capitalist society. THEY began this decades ago, as you alluded to. And now we are in the final stages of that vision by the Marxists. We are at a crossroads for sure. Clowns like the aforementioned are being used and abused and they don't even realize it. Why would they? Their indoctrination was part of the process. When you're being "indoctrinated", the plan is to indoctrinate young people that are oblivious as to what you're being indoctrinated about. ...so here we are with what the decades of America-hating indoctrination of Marxism has done to our country. Anti-American Marxism at the highest levels. GOD and Trump help us🙏 Every authoritative government always starts with the kids. Easily manipulated and gullible. And without a strong family presence to break through the bullshit which im guessing many of these socialist lovers don't have and you have what you see today Go watch interviews with any adult nazi who were in the nazi youth and to this day they will defend the nazi regime. Like i said yes america has problems but if it was that bad why don't we have millions of people leaving the country?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalRuss Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 150 troops aren’t going to be much help over all there. Need to send in 3000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 Just now, NorCalRuss said: 150 troops aren’t going to be much help over all there. Need to send in 3000 You'll see how fast they run They are already on the run in Portland 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorCalRuss Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 Just now, HSFBfan said: You'll see how fast they run They are already on the run in Portland Running away means nothing. They will regroup somewhere else and run rampant like the spoiled lil misfits they are. Send in massive force and clean it out. Arrest everyone who refuses to obey the law. Don’t go easy either, water tanks, rubber bullets, CS gas, few baton thrusts to the head when needed. Quit treating these liberal dem clowns like babies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted July 20, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 1 minute ago, NorCalRuss said: Running away means nothing. They will regroup somewhere else and run rampant like the spoiled lil misfits they are. Send in massive force and clean it out. Arrest everyone who refuses to obey the law. Don’t go easy either, water tanks, rubber bullets, CS gas, few baton thrusts to the head when needed. Quit treating these liberal dem clowns like babies. I dont believe after what I read they are allowed to arrest anyone. They are there to help the local PDs but like i said from what i read they don't have arrest powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga96 Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 He is getting sued by Portland already. Everyone agrees Chicago needs to change but very few understand how and why places like Chicago are the way they are. Chicago is a another wrong in Americas past that needs to be corrected. People love to point at them and say look how they act and in the same view they will ignore the history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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