Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 14 hours ago, Omaha Vol said: DLS improving throughout the year is not a theory. They've been doing it for the last 30 years. What evidence do you have of this? I imagine it's like your evidence for everything else. Pull straight from your rectum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, LOSer said: [...] For instance, JSerra lost to Servite by 24. How in the world can you say that they're a good team? Easy. Vista Murrieta beat Bishop Amat who beat both JSerra and Servite. Plus JSerra beat Vista Murrieta by two scores. Plus Vista Murrieta is scheduled to play Colquitt. So JSerra is a good team. Duh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 13 hours ago, coach_warren said: JSerra the "bottom-feeder" of the league that got destroyed by CC beat Sacramento High School, a school in Norcal 35-7. That school, Sacramento went on a 9 game win streak and was at one point the number 1 team in their county. And? Sacramento stinks. They beat something called Vanden, 15-9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 13 hours ago, Belly Bob said: Since you're a big picture guy, how do you explain DLS's pattern of struggling on offense early in the season but not late? For example, last year they scored... 28 on Servite, 21 on East, 28 on Antioch and 28 on San Ramon Valley before scoring... 33 on SJB, which was more than any other team scored on SJB save for CC and BG. They had 3 bye weeks in the playoffs to prepare for one big game at the end and only managed to score 5 more points than they did against San Ramon Valley. And DLS pulled out all the stops in the Bowl Game too. Bad example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 15 hours ago, NYHSFAN33 said: [...] I couldn't disageee more with your assessment. Then again, you also buy in to the DLS hyper improvement theory. 22 minutes ago, LOSer said: What evidence do you have of this [i.e. that the DLS-hyper-improvement-theory is true]? I imagine it's like your evidence for everything else. Pull straight from your rectum. In the first six games of the season... DLS outscored its opponents 194-181 In the next six games of the season... DLS outscored its opponents 302-33 #FactsRequireExplanations #TheTheoryIsTrue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 5 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: In the first six games of the season... DLS outscored its opponents 194-181 In the next six games of the season... DLS outscored its opponents 302-33 I'm sure you'd fine the same in most seasons. What you'd also find is that they played their best competition (sans SJB) in the first 6 weeks of the season. This claim would likely crumble under scrutiny just like Pop's claim about rematches. He claimed that you could support hyper-improvement based on how much better they did in rematches. I did the math. There were more instances of closer games in the rematch than not. Also, the average margin of victory was smaller in the rematches than in the first game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: #TheTheoryIsTrue Basically it's a cockamamie theory that isn't supported by the numbers and isn't even supported by anecdotal evidence. Hyper-improvement is not a thing. Anybody in football will tell you that improvement is incremental or marginal. Nobody goes from bad or incompetent to really good. People like you and Pop think the 2004 or the 2008 or the 2009 teams got a lot better. They didn't. They got a little bit better and played much worse teams at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 28 minutes ago, LOSer said: They had 3 bye weeks in the playoffs to prepare for one big game at the end and only managed to score 5 more points than they did against San Ramon Valley. And DLS pulled out all the stops in the Bowl Game too. Bad example. DLS barely escapes 6-5 San Ramon Valley 28-27 in early October. DLS has the ball on SJB's own 28-yard-line while down 27-42 early in the 4Q in mid December. But the best explanation of those facts is 3 bye weeks to prepare plus pulling out all the stops? Let's hope you're trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted July 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 51 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Oh please. Any four teams chosen at random would have an 87.5 winning % over the last 5 years when adjusted in this way. Trinity League = SJB and MD. Wake up, Sammy! Really? Find me a Random league who's bottom 4 teams, that could match the winning % of the bottom 4 Trinity League teams, over the past 5 years. I'll hang up and listen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted July 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 45 minutes ago, LOSer said: But you neglected to mention that those teams play in the Big VIII, Baseline and South Coast leagues. You can't argue on one hand that the bottom of the Trinity League has bad records because they play tough schedules and then turn around and celebrate the amazing records of teams that play in crappy leagues. You're going to have to stick to one argument, sammy. I know that's hard for your because of the shape-shifter that you are. Your just salty because the 3 Calif teams you referenced all had better credentials than STA. Sorry to bring up a sore subject, but dialoguing with you requires a reference point that you can understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 6 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: But the best explanation of those facts is 3 bye weeks to prepare plus pulling out all the stops? Yes. They ran onside kicks, they went for 4th downs, etc. They prepared for 3 weeks to be an underdog in the Bowl Game. They played like it. When you give up 56 points you're forced to get creative and desperate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 31 minutes ago, LOSer said: I'm sure you'd fine the same in most seasons. What you'd also find is that they played their best competition (sans SJB) in the first 6 weeks of the season. This claim would likely crumble under scrutiny [...] 28 minutes ago, LOSer said: Basically it's a cockamamie theory that isn't supported by the numbers and isn't even supported by anecdotal evidence. Hyper-improvement is not a thing. Anybody in football will tell you that improvement is incremental or marginal. [...] Negative. I didn't find those facts. I found... that DLS barely escaped Antioch 28-21 early that Freedom crushed Antioch 65-28 and that DLS crushed Freedom 42-7 late. Facts need to be explained. Now let's think a bit. Hmmm..... Was DLS's improvement marginal? Hmmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Your just salty because the 3 Calif teams you referenced all had better credentials than STA. Whenever the STA subject-changer is introduced, I know I've won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: Sorry to bring up a sore subject, but dialoguing with you requires a reference point that you can understand. I know you're not capable of an intelligent response but I'll still wait for one just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: Was DLS's improvement marginal? Yes. They weren't very good at the beginning and they weren't very good at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted July 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, LOSer said: Whenever the STA subject-changer is introduced, I know I've won. Now that we are on the topic.....very few programs if any, squander more talent than STA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: very few programs if any, squander more talent than STA. This claim makes no sense. It's a totally nonsensical statement. Actually few programs if any elevate more talent than STA. They currently have the most alums on college rosters. They also currently have the most alums on active NFL rosters. And if you want to talk about strictly on the field accomplishments, they have the second most appearances in the USA Today Super 25 final poll. So you continue a long tradition of saying the exact opposite of the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted July 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 minutes ago, LOSer said: This claim makes no sense. It's a totally nonsensical statement. Actually few programs if any elevate more talent than STA. They've currently have the most alums on college rosters. They also currently have the most alums on active NFL rosters. And if you want to talk about strictly on the field accomplishments, they have the second most appearances in the USA Today Super 25 final poll. So you continue a long tradition of saying the exact opposite of the truth. You Just made my point. #Can'tTeachStupid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, LOSer said: This claim makes no sense. It's a totally nonsensical statement. Actually few programs if any elevate more talent than STA. They currently have the most alums on college rosters. They also currently have the most alums on active NFL rosters. And if you want to talk about strictly on the field accomplishments, they have the second most appearances in the USA Today Super 25 final poll. So you continue a long tradition of saying the exact opposite of the truth. 4 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: You Just made my point. #Can'tTeachStupid That was embarrassing, Loser. Maybe it's time to retire. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYHSFAN33 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 14 hours ago, Belly Bob said: Since you're a big picture guy, how do you explain DLS's pattern of struggling on offense early in the season but not late? For example, last year they scored... 28 on Servite, 21 on East, 28 on Antioch and 28 on San Ramon Valley before scoring... 33 on SJB, which was more than any other team scored on SJB save for CC and BG. Lad himself has said that the offense doesn't usually click until about week 10. Easy, they gave up points so fast they had extra possessions to score that 33. Does giving up 50+ points in their last game of the season scream Hyper-improvement to you? It looks like regression to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 28 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: That was embarrassing, Loser. The claim sammy made makes no sense. Their talent goes to college more than anybody, plays professionally more than anybody and earns more USA Today Super 25 rankings than all but one program. Not a single syllable of his post was accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 37 minutes ago, Sammyswordsman said: You Just made my point. No I didn't. You made a nonsensical claim that doesn't stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LOSer Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, NYHSFAN33 said: Easy, they gave up points so fast they had extra possessions to score that 33. Does giving up 50+ points in their last game of the season scream Hyper-improvement to you? It looks like regression to me. BellyBob and sammyswordsman don't have a logical bone in their body. Just look at this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, NYHSFAN33 said: Easy, they gave up points so fast they had extra possessions to score that 33. Does giving up 50+ points in their last game of the season scream Hyper-improvement to you? It looks like regression to me. Oh, sorry: I was talking about their offensive struggles early in the season as compared to late in the season. That looks like hyper-improvement to me, not regression. Does that look like regression to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammyswordsman Posted July 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Just now, LOSer said: No I didn't. You made a nonsensical claim that doesn't stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny. With all that talent you listed, STA has not been ranked #1 in their own state even once since 2012. AND they have managed to lose 3 times to teams ranked 300+, including twice to teams ranked #500+. The (much maligned) bottom 3 teams in the Trinity league have not been embarrassed by losing to as many low ranked teams, over the same period. Now we know why the token STA supporter has a screen name of LOSer. #TheShoeFits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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