DBP66 Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 Jan. 6 panel issues subpoena to Trump, demanding he testify FARNOUSH AMIRI and MARY CLARE JALONICK Fri, October 21, 2022 at 1:46 PM WASHINGTON (AP) — The House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol formally issued its extraordinary subpoena o Donald Trump on Friday, demanding testimony from the former president who lawmakers say “personally orchestrated” a multi-part effort to overturn the results of the 2020 election. The nine-member panel issued a letter to Trump's lawyers saying he must testify, either at the Capitol or by videoconference, “beginning on or about” Nov. 14 and continuing for multiple days if necessary. The letter also outlined a request for a series of corresponding documents, including personal communications between Trump and members of Congress as well as extremist groups. “We recognize that a subpoena to a former president is a significant and historic action," Chairman Bennie Thompson and Vice Chair Liz Cheney wrote in the letter to Trump. “We do not take this action lightly.” The panel rooted its action in history, listing past presidents from John Quincy Adams to Gerald Ford who testified before Congress after leaving office -- and noting that even sitting presidents have responded to congressional subpoenas. It is unclear how Trump and his legal team will respond. He could comply or negotiate with the committee, announce he will defy the subpoena or ignore it altogether. He could also go to court and try to stop it. A request for comment from Trump's spokesperson was not immediately returned. The subpoena is the latest and most striking escalation in the House committee’s 15-month investigation of the deadly Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection, bringing members of the panel into direct conflict with the man they have investigated from afar through the testimony of aides, allies and associates. The committee writes in its letter that it has assembled “overwhelming evidence” that Trump “personally orchestrated” an effort to overturn his defeat in the 2020 election, including by spreading false allegations of widespread voter fraud, “attempting to corrupt” the Justice Department and pressuring state officials, members of Congress and his vice president to try to change the results. But lawmakers say key details about what Trump was doing and saying during the siege remain unknown. According to the committee, the only person who can fill the gaps is Trump himself. The panel — comprised of seven Democrats and two Republicans — approved the subpoena for Trump in a surprise vote last week. Every member voted in support. The day after, Trump posted a lengthy memo on Truth Social, his social media website, repeating his false claims of widespread election fraud and expressing his “anger, disappointment and complaint” that the committee wasn’t investigating his objections. He made no mention of the subpoena. The subpoena calls for testimony about his dealings with several former Trump aides and associates who have asserted their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination to the committee, including Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, John Eastman, Jeffrey Clark and Kelli Ward. The committee makes 19 requests for documents and communication -- including specific requests for any messages Trump sent on the encrypted messaging app Signal “or any other means” to members of Congress and others about the stunning events of Jan. 6. The scope of the committee's request is expansive-- pursuing documents from Sept. 1, 2020, two months before the election, to the present on the president’s communications with the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys and other extremist groups -- as the panel compiles a record of the run-up to the Capitol attack and then the aftermath. There is little legal advantage for Trump to cooperate with the committee as he already faces other civil and criminal legal battles in various jurisdictions, including over his family business in New York and the handling of presidential records at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. But there is ample precedent for Congress seeking testimony from former presidents. Over the past century and a half, at least six current and former presidents have testified on Capitol Hill, including John Tyler and John Quincy Adams after both were subpoenaed in 1848. If Trump refuses to comply with the subpoena, the panel will have to weigh the practical and political implications of holding him in contempt of Congress. “That’s a bridge we cross if we have to get there,” Rep. Adam Kinzinger, a Republican member of the committee, told ABC on Sunday. “He’s made it clear he has nothing to hide, is what he says. So, he should come in.” If the full House voted to recommend a contempt charge against Trump, the Justice Department would then review the case and decide any further step. Other witnesses have faced legal consequences for defying the committee, including close Trump ally Steve Bannon, who was convicted of contempt in July and was sentenced Friday to four months behind bars. But holding a former president in contempt would be another matter, truly exceptional. The subpoena to Trump comes as the committee is looking to wrap up its investigative work and compile a final, comprehensive report that will be published by the end of the year. Investigators have interviewed more than 1,000 witnesses, including many of Trump’s top White House aides, and obtained tens of thousands of pages of documents since the committee was formed in July 2021. But the panel is authorized only through this Congress, which ends on Jan. 3. That means members have only a few short months — amid a hectic lame-duck legislative period after the midterm elections — to refine their historical record of the worst attack on the Capitol in two centuries. Whether that will include the testimony from the 45th president of the United States remains to be seen. “It’s hard for me to imagine any American citizen being accused of essentially trying to overthrow his or her own government who wouldn’t welcome the opportunity to come forward and to testify,” Rep. Jamie Raskin, a Democrat on the committee, told reporters last week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 21, 2022 Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 3 hours ago, World Citizen said: Instead of insurrection, just say that people (11 people so far I think) have been indicted for seditious conspiracy. This will not matter to those you are arguing with at all. They are way too invested. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases Along with seditious conspiracy there are many weapons charges, including guns on Capitol grounds. So no insurrection, got it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Warrior said: So no insurrection, got it. did you get the "crime" parts??....or did that go right over your head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 21, 2022 Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 minute ago, DBP66 said: did you get the "crime" parts??....or did that go right over your head? I did, still waiting to see someone charged with Insurrection that we’ve been hearing about the last year and half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Warrior said: I did, still waiting to see someone charged with Insurrection that we’ve been hearing about the last year and half. does seditious conspiracy work for you??..it works for the D.O.J......it looks like a few "someones" got arrested for trying to overthrow an election....the guys you root for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 21, 2022 Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 15 minutes ago, DBP66 said: does seditious conspiracy work for you??..it works for the D.O.J......it looks like a few "someones" got arrested for trying to overthrow an election....the guys you root for. So no, got it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 21, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Warrior said: So no, got it. like a true Trumper does!....🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 21, 2022 Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, DBP66 said: like a true Trumper does!....🤡 Did you find the insurrection we’ve been hearing about? Check MSNBC I’m sure they’ll have something for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader12-0 Posted October 21, 2022 Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 Jan 6th did not fit the definition of an insurrection and any intelligent person knows it. It was a spontaneous riot in which people broke into a building and pranced around. They had no weapons or organization and thus had no chance of taking down the government. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 49 minutes ago, Warrior said: Did you find the insurrection we’ve been hearing about? Check MSNBC I’m sure they’ll have something for you. I watched it live on T.V....with my own eyes...imagine that!!.....🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 45 minutes ago, Crusader12-0 said: Jan 6th did not fit the definition of an insurrection and any intelligent person knows it. It was a spontaneous riot in which people broke into a building and pranced around. They had no weapons or organization and thus had no chance of taking down the government. The Proud Boys and Oath Clowns are in court now due to all the evidence they found of the detailed planning they did for 1-6-22...they had local hotel rooms full with weapons waiting for the call... .it was far from "spontaneous"...Trump tweeted "it was going to be wild" days before 1-6....Trump led the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 4 minutes ago, DBP66 said: The Proud Boys and Oath Clowns are in court now due to all the evidence they found of the detailed planning they did for 1-6-22...they had local hotel rooms full with weapons waiting for the call... .it was far from "spontaneous"...Trump tweeted "it was going to be wild" days before 1-6....Trump led the way. Cool story 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Warrior said: Cool story there are a lot of "cool" stories out there you have no clue about....🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 45 minutes ago, Crusader12-0 said: Jan 6th did not fit the definition of an insurrection and any intelligent person knows it. It was a spontaneous riot in which people broke into a building and pranced around. They had no weapons or organization and thus had no chance of taking down the government. The idea of an "insurrection" being a bunch of asshats who were less-well "armed" than a typical Antifa riot is just laughable. The truth is that the idiots who rioted that day were fucking stupid and those who were violent should go to jail. It is also true that the left have put on their collective drama queen acts to try to milk as much political capital as possible from it. That said, they have WAY overplayed their hand. A glaringly partisan show trial might as well have been put on by Goebbels himself. It works great for the already converted and the choir. Reasonable Americans have overwhelmingly called bullshit on it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, concha said: The idea of an "insurrection" being a bunch of asshats who were less-well "armed" than a typical Antifa riot is just laughable. The truth is that the idiots who rioted that day were fucking stupid and those who were violent should go to jail. It is also true that the left have put on their collective drama queen acts to try to milk as much political capital as possible from it. That said, they have WAY overplayed their hand. A glaringly partisan show trial might as well have been put on by Goebbels himself. It works great for the already converted and the choir. Reasonable Americans have overwhelmingly called bullshit on it. "milk it"?!?...LOL....from a guy who doesn't think Pence was in danger on 1-6-21??....The Proud nuts and Oath Clowns were well coordinated and planned the day out well before 1-6-22....it's a proven fact...that's why they are on trial right now...hope this helps Don! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, DBP66 said: "milk it"?!?...LOL....from a guy who doesn't think Pence was in danger on 1-6-21??....The Proud nuts and Oath Clowns were well coordinated and planned the day out well before 1-6-22....it's a proven fact...that's why they are on trial right now...hope this helps Don! Cool story 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 Just now, Warrior said: Cool story we could go on all night Jr...or you can turn the dial away from Fox news?...there is a lot out there to know these days....I try and keep uninformed guys like you in the loop of facts.....😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
concha Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Warrior said: Cool story The leadership of the Democratic Party could show up at Dumbass66's house, kick him in his tiny balls, piss on him and then light the place on fire and the next morning he'd still be rubbing one out over a poster of Queen Nancy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 Just now, concha said: The leadership of the Democratic Party could show up at Dumbass66's house, kick him in his tiny balls, piss on him and then light the place on fire and the next morning he'd still be rubbing one out over a poster of Queen Nancy. ^ CLASSIC Don!...LOL...nice job!....🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 34 minutes ago, DBP66 said: we could go on all night Jr...or you can turn the dial away from Fox news?...there is a lot out there to know these days....I try and keep uninformed guys like you in the loop of facts.....😉 MLB / HS Football but Cool Stories 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrior Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 23 minutes ago, concha said: The leadership of the Democratic Party could show up at Dumbass66's house, kick him in his tiny balls, piss on him and then light the place on fire and the next morning he'd still be rubbing one out over a poster of Queen Nancy. He’s a good puppet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Warrior said: He’s a good puppet. One of their #1 🐑 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM IRONMAN Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, I AM IRONMAN said: One of their #1 🐑 A cut and paste master…doubts he even reads what he posts…gives my thumbs a workout scrolling through his cut and paste bs articles 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBP66 Posted October 22, 2022 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 7 hours ago, I AM IRONMAN said: A cut and paste master…doubts he even reads what he posts…gives my thumbs a workout scrolling through his cut and paste bs articles why wouldn't I read what I posted??...I'm not scared of facts like you Trumpers....the truth doesn't scare me or make me look like a fool....you Trumpers on the other hand have a lot to fear and I get why you don't read the articles....they may make too much sense....reality is bad in your world...😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slotback Right Posted October 22, 2022 Report Share Posted October 22, 2022 20 hours ago, DBP66 said: you can question all day long...that's your right....you CAN"T have an insurrection to change the outcome of the election or come up with schemes to submit "fake electoral votes" like Trump and many others did...they tried to overturn our democracy...that's a CRIME. That's what the guys with the "R" next to their names did...not even close. The "fake electoral votes" were those that were obtained through fraud, and illegal changes to voting rules that Blueliner referred to on page 64 of this thread. Overturning an election IS a crime, but that assumes the election was honest and fair...which it was NOT. Consider, to help your pea brain understand, that if you were a cattleman who had his cattle rustled, and then you caught up with the rustlers and took those cows back from the rustlers. It would NOT be a crime to take back your cattle from the rustlers, now would it? So if the election WAS stolen, how can attempting to overturn that possibly be considered a crime? One more thing...You leftists love to say we are a threat to "our democracy." We are not a democracy, and never have been. Do you know how many times the word democracy appears in the US Constitution? I'll give you a hint...it's less than one time. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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