FootballGuy Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/starbucks-apologizes-black-men-handcuffed-hustled-philadelphia-location-viral-video/ What do y'all think about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, FootballGuy said: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/starbucks-apologizes-black-men-handcuffed-hustled-philadelphia-location-viral-video/ What do y'all think about this? Nothing to think about till more info is made available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlockIsHot Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Better than being arrested for being black on a Friday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 I think people that bring up "black/white" every other day have serious mental issues......this forum will NEVER solve them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted April 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 34 minutes ago, noonereal said: Nothing to think about till more info is made available. Man what the fuck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted April 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, RedZone said: I think people that bring up "black/white" every other day have serious mental issues......this forum will NEVER solve them. Addressing the most controversial topic in america on the "off topic" forum is a good thing for this purpose: We get to see who people really are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, FootballGuy said: We get to see who people really are. Really? Do tell. It's a well proven FACT that people act differently online. In other words online personas rarely match real-life behavior. Hell, 99.99% of the people here don't even want to post their picture online. All you are doing is making a man-made controversial topic more controversial.......and, it's past redundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, FootballGuy said: Man what the fuck? Who called the cop, why? It seems pretty strange to me that someone said, "hey, they are black so call a cop." If that is the case which we do not know from then story, well then I have an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 hours ago, FootballGuy said: https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/starbucks-apologizes-black-men-handcuffed-hustled-philadelphia-location-viral-video/ What do y'all think about this? After reading the link and watching the video, it looks bad. To my rather sensitive persona, given who I am, I don't see a justification to arrest them. They did not seem as if they were putting up any resistance to LEO. I can't see why LE could not have just persuaded them to leave, since it appears management did not want them there. Or, if they wanted to make sure the situation was deescalated enough just drive them away to a safe distance and then release them. I see no basis for taking these men back to a precinct. When I see this, it makes me wonder if the USA is heading back to a "whites only" place in commercial places. That would be pretty remarkable (in a very bad way), given how far this society has come. I have been in many restaurants over the years where I had to wait on company to arrive (I tend to be a bit early, always have). Fortunately, I have never been treated like this when I explained the situation to restaurant employees. If after doing so, they saw fit to call the cops to remove me, I would be extremely angry. I probably would not have behaved as civilly as the two guys in the video! I normally don't comment in black/white threads on this forum. But this situation pisses me off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 hours ago, noonereal said: Nothing to think about till more info is made available. It's obvious this is another example of that excellent service given to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 21 minutes ago, DarterBlue said: After reading the link and watching the video, it looks bad. To my rather sensitive persona, given who I am, I don't see a justification to arrest them. They did not seem as if they were putting up any resistance to LEO. I can't see why LE could not have just persuaded them to leave, since it appears management did not want them there. Or, if they wanted to make sure the situation was deescalated enough just drive them away to a safe distance and then release them. I see no basis for taking these men back to a precinct. When I see this, it makes me wonder if the USA is heading back to a "whites only" place in commercial places. That would be pretty remarkable (in a very bad way), given how far this society has come. I have been in many restaurants over the years where I had to wait on company to arrive (I tend to be a bit early, always have). Fortunately, I have never been treated like this when I explained the situation to restaurant employees. If after doing so, they saw fit to call the cops to remove me, I would be extremely angry. I probably would not have behaved as civilly as the two guys in the video! I normally don't comment in black/white threads on this forum. But this situation pisses me off. Why not buy a coffee and sip on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, RedZone said: Why not buy a coffee and sip on it? True, that's what I usually do if I take a seat at the counter or in a booth. But what if these guys had no money and were waiting on their company to arrive? On a personal level, back in Jamaica, my mother owned and operated a small, local bar and restaurant for many years. I grew up literally behind the counter. I can't ever remember asking individuals to leave in similar situations to the one in the article/video unless they were acting in either a very suspicious or disruptive way. Now maybe these two guys were. However, short of that, I find it disturbing that your reaction would be to call the cops to remove them. Just my two cents on this matter ... others may disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 People "white/black" put themselves in compromising positions sometimes......been doing it for hundreds of years. They will physically remove you whatever your color on Bourbon St for not meeting the one drink minimum. Give them lip and you will get your head busted in the process. I've seen it. Subway probably doesn't have big-knuckled security guards so the police got involved. I don't agree with it, but it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 5 minutes ago, DarterBlue said: True, that's what I usually do if I take a seat at the counter or in a booth. But what if these guys had no money and were waiting on their company to arrive? I don't know anything about those guys..... I'm just tired of everything being "white/black"....that's NOT the way it is in my real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted April 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 hours ago, noonereal said: Who called the cop, why? It seems pretty strange to me that someone said, "hey, they are black so call a cop." If that is the case which we do not know from then story, well then I have an opinion. Clearly you didn't watch the video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted April 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, DarterBlue said: After reading the link and watching the video, it looks bad. To my rather sensitive persona, given who I am, I don't see a justification to arrest them. They did not seem as if they were putting up any resistance to LEO. I can't see why LE could not have just persuaded them to leave, since it appears management did not want them there. Or, if they wanted to make sure the situation was deescalated enough just drive them away to a safe distance and then release them. I see no basis for taking these men back to a precinct. When I see this, it makes me wonder if the USA is heading back to a "whites only" place in commercial places. That would be pretty remarkable (in a very bad way), given how far this society has come. I have been in many restaurants over the years where I had to wait on company to arrive (I tend to be a bit early, always have). Fortunately, I have never been treated like this when I explained the situation to restaurant employees. If after doing so, they saw fit to call the cops to remove me, I would be extremely angry. I probably would not have behaved as civilly as the two guys in the video! I normally don't comment in black/white threads on this forum. But this situation pisses me off. I agree. This is bad. How in the hell are we supposed to move forward as a country when we keep regressing? Smh. Welcome to the "divided states of america" lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballGuy Posted April 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 hours ago, RedZone said: Really? Do tell. It's a well proven FACT that people act differently online. In other words online personas rarely match real-life behavior. Hell, 99.99% of the people here don't even want to post their picture online. All you are doing is making a man-made controversial topic more controversial.......and, it's past redundant. Read in between the lines, rajun cajun. I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about when I said what I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted April 14, 2018 Report Share Posted April 14, 2018 I have no problem with the black trooper body slamming the drunk white guy. If I was sportnuts, DD or one of those other race baiters I might blow my top. It doesn't take much to body slam a drunk white guy and that could have been handled totally different as well. That shit happens all the time down here. White/Black, Black/White....White/White, Black/Black.......and etc.... Grow up people... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 14 hours ago, Sportsnut said: What info? How long were they there without ordering, were they approached by Starbucks and asked to leave before the police were called, what was their reaction the entire time. Sid the police ask they leave before handcuffs? There is no context in the story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 13 hours ago, Drummer61 said: Some will say, "he's not the type that sips coffee or drinks pussy flavored drinks and bloviates in "Sissybucks", well neither am I... WTF is wrong with you? (said bewildered but affectionately) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 12 hours ago, FootballGuy said: Clearly you didn't watch the video. Tell me what you saw in the video. I saw two men being handcuffed and escorted out without incident. The video offered no context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, noonereal said: Tell me what you saw in the video. I saw two men being handcuffed and escorted out without incident. The video offered no context. Do the witnesses there provide any context? They are quite verbal in their questioning of the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 Just now, Horsefly said: Do the witnesses there provide any context? They are quite verbal in their questioning of the police. not really They seem to have made an assumption which may or may not be valid. I think it's kinda scary that everyone can make a definitive judgment based on so little. It's the same mechanism that has put so many young blacks in jail over the years. At least here it is coming to their aid so that is progress. ------------------------------ Is a policy in place to clean up the loitering problem we all have seen at Starbuck? Is it a new initiative at this location by the company, the region, the area or the store manager? How long were they there without ordering? What is past practice by the store in this regards? We they asked to order? What was the reply? Were they asked to leave? (they did not) --------------------------------- and let me tell you what you and everyone else is this tread will do. They will assume my take makes me soft on discrimination. Or dismissive of it. Maybe some will even think me a racist. And why? Because I want facts and don't want to base my decisions on generalities and assumptions. Frankly, I am suspect of the folks who read this story as "empty" as it is of context and made a rush to judgement. I would not want them on a jury if I were wrongly accused. ---------------------------------- Let me ask you this. From the story posted and video, who is at fault for the young men being handcuffed? The police, a Starbucks employee, the Starbucks manager, some of the patrons not handcuffed...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, noonereal said: not really They seem to have made an assumption which may or may not be valid. I think it's kinda scary that everyone can make a definitive judgment based on so little. It's the same mechanism that has put so many young blacks in jail over the years. At least here it is coming to their aid so that is progress. ------------------------------ Is a policy in place to clean up the loitering problem we all have seen at Starbuck? Is it a new initiative at this location by the company, the region, the area or the store manager? How long were they there without ordering? What is past practice by the store in this regards? We they asked to order? What was the reply? Were they asked to leave? (they did not) --------------------------------- and let me tell you what you and everyone else is this tread will do. They will assume my take makes me soft on discrimination. Or dismissive of it. Maybe some will even think me a racist. And why? Because I want facts and don't want to base my decisions on generalities and assumptions. Frankly, I am suspect of the folks who read this story as "empty" as it is of context and made a rush to judgement. I would not want them on a jury if I were wrongly accused. ---------------------------------- Let me ask you this. From the story posted and video, who is at fault for the young men being handcuffed? The police, a Starbucks employee, the Starbucks manager, some of the patrons not handcuffed...? I wish people in this forum would stop presuming what I think or will do. Just state your position and I will tell you. this is not about you but Starbucks. the DA won't file charges as there was no evidence of trespassing, so the picture become more clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 15, 2018 Report Share Posted April 15, 2018 Just now, Horsefly said: I wish people in this forum would stop presuming what I think or will do. Just state your position and I will tell you. this is not about you but Starbucks. do I need reword everything to compensate for your sensitivities? not about me, good grief, I am trying to teach the class how we run to tribe and tend to view people as part of the tribe or an adve not much room for middle ground, just like in politics. "and let me tell you how many will interpret my stance. They will assume my take makes me soft on discrimination." stop being so sensitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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