badrouter Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Watching the E:60 documentary, I was left wondering exactly when/where the amateurism line might be crossed. Is Poggi paying them to pay? Are the benefits he's offering (housing and whatever else?) enough to render these teenagers as pros? Should we start referring to that team as "the Baltimore professional prep team"? I don't really have the answers to these questions. What do you all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Convince Lakeland to play them and find out for yourself 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasMalibu Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, badrouter said: Watching the E:60 documentary, I was left wondering exactly when/where the amateurism line might be crossed. Is Poggi paying them to pay? Are the benefits he's offering (housing and whatever else?) enough to render these teenagers as pros? Should we start referring to that team as "the Baltimore professional prep team"? I don't really have the answers to these questions. What do you all think? Valid question. I have no idea what the correct answer is, but when you’re paying living expenses for amateur athletes it’s a valid question. He’s a great guy for doing it, but it doesn’t mean what’s going on shouldn’t be questioned. IMG and Oak Hill have to be involved in this question as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 I'm not sure if you can call them "pros," but they're at least on the level of college athletes...what with tuition/room/board all paid. The fact that the coach is footing the bill does make it a little odious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalven Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Is it pay to play? yes. Are they the only one doing this? NO! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
954gator Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 6 hours ago, badrouter said: Watching the E:60 documentary, I was left wondering exactly when/where the amateurism line might be crossed. Is Poggi paying them to pay? Are the benefits he's offering (housing and whatever else?) enough to render these teenagers as pros? Should we start referring to that team as "the Baltimore professional prep team"? I don't really have the answers to these questions. What do you all think? Are college players amateurs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, 954gator said: Are college players amateurs? Good question. There are multiple reasonable perspectives. A difference here seems to be that it is one wealthy guy directly gifting players benefits. And that one guy is the coach of the team. Some of the players receiving benefits have moved into the area near the school from other states. Meanwhile, other young men (no girls benefit) who live in the area do not have an opportunity to reap those benefits because they're not deemed to be good enough at football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 It's interesting to note, assuming Maxpreps is accurate (maybe a bad idea lol), St. Frances hosts Superior Collegiate Academy one week after Lakeland hosts them. https://www.maxpreps.com/local/team/schedule.aspx?schoolid=29bb9c57-c2b1-4cc3-ba1a-5f3855aaab2f&ssid=8d610ab9-220b-465b-9cf0-9f417bce6c65 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On2whls Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 7 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Other privates use booster-funded endowments for these same reasons. SFA uses Biff. In the end it’s all the same. And very legal. Key word, other “private’s”. Sure it’s “legal” but certainly not anything a public school could pull off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pops Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 Great discussion I think cow is out of the barn and there’s a quickly blurring line between regular and academy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 14 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Other privates use booster-funded endowments for these same reasons. SFA uses Biff. In the end it’s all the same. And very legal. If you weren't so poor you could buy your OWN national powerhouse high school football team. You seem like the type guy that would do that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJR 04 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 14 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Other privates use booster-funded endowments for these same reasons. SFA uses Biff. In the end it’s all the same. And very legal. Na Baller, it's not legal for any booster to provide funds to a school specifically for football players only. A private school in NJ can not give athletic scholarships. Some schools give scholarships to ball players and mask them as academic scholarships, but under no circumstance can you provide financial support solely as a benefit to athletes. Not legal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 When gardenball is not updating his GoDaddy.com website and hacking coaches accounts he dabbles in high school football law and ethics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 20 minutes ago, SJR 04 said: Na Baller, it's not legal for any booster to provide funds to a school specifically for football players only. A private school in NJ can not give athletic scholarships. Some schools give scholarships to ball players and mask them as academic scholarships, but under no circumstance can you provide financial support solely as a benefit to athletes. Not legal I suspect that gardenball is just trying to defend one of his pgl godaddy clients. That's the way it works in the political world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 I can vision St Frances playing a home football game and the only people in the stands are a team of 50-100 lawyers. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 15 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Other privates use booster-funded endowments for these same reasons. SFA uses Biff. In the end it’s all the same. And very legal. In this case it still kinda funny, 'cause Biff pretty much sucks balls as an actual football coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 29 minutes ago, zulu1128 said: While super sweet and tender it always amuses watching zulu1128 deflect, and try to defend one of his trump buddies. #makehighschoolfootballgreatagain. Here's your hat! 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 I was just making fun of you for your gay ragequit meltdown...and the fact that as everyone predicted, you crawled back 3 weeks later. Sorry you felt the need to read more into it LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedZone Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, zulu1128 said: I was just making fun of you for your gay ragequit meltdown...and the fact that as everyone predicted, you crawled back 3 weeks later. Sorry you felt the need to read more into it LOL. Sure! "wink" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 3 hours ago, SJR 04 said: Na Baller, it's not legal for any booster to provide funds to a school specifically for football players only. A private school in NJ can not give athletic scholarships. Some schools give scholarships to ball players and mask them as academic scholarships, but under no circumstance can you provide financial support solely as a benefit to athletes. Not legal This. Upon close examination (or, really, just through the use of common sense) it may well become clear that the benefits (housing, transportation, etc) are only accrued by boys who are deemed to be sufficiently good at football, regardless of where their parent/guardian lives. It's not "provide for the kids of this community", It's "Get as many of the best football players we can get by offering whatever is needed to get them to play here". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 The key being oversight through a committee. Not one rich guy signaling to star football players on ESPN calling all the shots. If helping young people truly was the intention, couldn't he fund their tuition to attend a variety of schools? Or, couldn't he pump money into the local public schools? His money is only going towards kids that play football for him. Seems entirely self-serving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zulu1128 Posted August 7, 2019 Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, GardenStateBaller said: How’s that? Their record the last three years is almost perfect! And he’s established a pipeline to elite college teams like no other hsfb coach of late. Dude...I could coach that team to 10-0. Watched three or four of his games at Gilman, (where he didn't have 5x the talent of the other sideline) and it was downright painful. He's a simply terrible in-game coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted August 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, GardenStateBaller said: Biff’s money goes to everything at SFA. Athletic Dept, capital improvements, teacher salaries, etc. There’s many ways that this works. Many privates have Big Brother programs whereby a booster pays all expenses for a student/athlete that’s been assigned to them. Happens every day at privates all over America. I actually see advertisements for these types of opportunities in the annual report magazines of some elite privates. Does it? Last I heard, they were playing and practicing in terrible facilities. This is the kind of thing that should get more scrutiny through looking at "the books". What is the process of assigning students to sugar daddy? How is it determined who gets a sugar daddy and who is shit out of luck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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