Afghanistan has officially fallen

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6 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

That you, and Bormio, both covered for the idea that the withdraw would be "bad" for Trump but are trying to wiggle out of it now so you can pile on Biden.

 

Huh?

The withdrawal was favored by about 70% of Americans.

It's a negative for Biden politically because the handling of it was a clusterfuck.

You are a bootlicking moron.

There simply isn't any other explanation.

 

[Atticus Finch]

2 minutes ago, concha said:

Huh?

Your filibustering is cute but ultimately you're a failure at explaining any of your positions.

That's because your positions are indefensible.

[Atticus Finch]

1 minute ago, concha said:

It's a negative for Biden politically because the handling of it was a clusterfuck.

How?

And it's actually not a negative. In the last two elections, only 1% of voters that said foreign policy on of their top issues.

The American people don't care about Afghanistan.

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4 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

That's exactly what you meant by "good, bad or indifferent."

Same thing that Bormio meant when he called the decision "courageous."

You knew that a messy exit was not only possible but very likely. They always look like this.

 

OMG.

You are an idiot.

You don't even know what the phrase even means.

Literally.

YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS.

🤣

 

[Atticus Finch]

Just now, concha said:

OMG.

You are an idiot.

You don't even know what the phrase even means.

Literally.

YOU DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT MEANS.

concha always does this when he's flailing.

The guy literally can't articulate something that got him so worked up that he came out of his posting retirement.

What a loser.

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6 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

And just like when your wife left you, you weren't mad about *how* it happened. You were mad *that* it happened.

 

You know Andy is really mad and losing BIGLY when...

 

[Atticus Finch]

Just now, concha said:

 

You know Andy is really mad and losing BIGLY when...

 

I've always piled on you when you're flailing.

And you know that bit is true.

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Andy at the Medieval Re-enactment Convention

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10 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

concha always does this when he's flailing.

The guy literally can't articulate something that got him so worked up that he came out of his posting retirement.

What a loser.

 

You don't even understand the phrase that sent you over the edge.

Dodge

Duck 

Deflect...

Don't matter.

You are such an imbecile that you've been losing your shit all day over a phrase you didn't (and apparently still don't) understand.

 

[Atticus Finch]

Just now, concha said:

Dodge

Duck 

Deflect...

Don't matter.

You can't answer simple questions.

You're dodging and weaving all over the place to avoid supporting your claims.

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7 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

You can't answer simple questions.

You're dodging and weaving all over the place to avoid supporting your claims.

 

I've provided plenty of support.

You don't even understand simple and common English phrases.

It's so obvious you can't even make an attempt to deny it.

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“Mr. Biden described the evacuation as if it were a triumph, and that his Administration had planned for such a contingency in case the Afghan military collapsed. This is, literally, unbelievable. Multiple media reports have revealed that the White House was caught by surprise and preparing for vacation en masse when Kabul fell,” concluded the Wall Street Journal editorial board. “The President even had the ill grace to blame Americans for not leaving Afghanistan sooner, and Afghans for not fighting. But his own government clearly felt no urgency, as the U.S. Embassy had to frantically destroy documents in the final hours.”

...

 

If a year from now most Americans are saying “hey, it was a mess, horrible, but he made the hard call and at least we got out”, then Biden’s spinners will have succeeded.

The way to prevent that is to sound a note that focuses dead-on on the thing that everyone is actually pissed off about: the disastrous cluster of a withdrawal that looks very much like Biden’s Katrina moment — a catastrophic failure that shakes American faith in the military authority and the capacity of our government to do their jobs. Biden’s declaration of an exceptional performance is the target, and ought to be. That’s what the families of the dead American soldiers care about — they’re not mad about leaving, they’re mad the leaving was so botched that their sons and daughters died.

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In any Republican administration, Gen. Milley and SecState Blinken would be headed for the exits — instead, Biden maintains that they and their underlings did nothing wrong. He even has the gall to blame desperate people who foolishly believed his words about Afghan stability for not getting out sooner — maybe the most audacious deployment of a “well, but you were out late in that skirt” commentary I’ve ever heard.  It was his own falsehoods and those who parroted them that kept people there, and he’s pretending like it never happened.

A more troubling consideration than yelled-out lies would be: is Biden so delusional that he actually believes the spin he’s being given? As we see in this Reuters call, handily leaked by the Deep State, Biden’s concerns the last time he spoke to then-Afghan President Ghani was not the risk for his military, but the need to ‘change perception’.

In the call, Biden offered aid if Ghani could publicly project he had a plan to control the spiraling situation in Afghanistan … Biden lauded the Afghan armed forces, which were trained and funded by the U.S. government. “You clearly have the best military,” he told Ghani. “You have 300,000 well-armed forces versus 70-80,000 and they’re clearly capable of fighting well.”

Days later, the Afghan military started folding across provincial capitals in the country with little fight against the Taliban.

In much of the call, Biden focused on what he called the Afghan government’s “perception” problem. “I need not tell you the perception around the world and in parts of Afghanistan, I believe, is that things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban,” Biden said. “And there is a need, whether it is true or not, there is a need to project a different picture.”

Biden told Ghani that if Afghanistan’s prominent political figures were to give a press conference together, backing a new military strategy, “that will change perception, and that will change an awful lot I think.”

The American leader’s words indicated he didn’t anticipate the massive insurrection and collapse to come 23 days later. “We are going to continue to fight hard, diplomatically, politically, economically, to make sure your government not only survives, but is sustained and grows,” said Biden.

 

So was Biden’s position that he was lying then, that he was misinformed, or that the people underneath him weren’t telling the truth? It would be good to know, considering that the actions that followed led directly to the deaths of hundreds of Afghans and 13 Americans. It would be good to know who made what decision at DOD about leaving behind equipment, at State about processing Afghan interpreters, at the CIA about what we knew on the ground — and if these decisionmakers have any justification for keeping their jobs.

 

https://thefederalist.com/2021/09/01/time-to-demand-accountability-after-bidens-failed-victory-lap/

[Bormio]

1 hour ago, Atticus Finch said:

Should we stay there forever, waiting?

I mean you were giddy that Trump agreed to have us leave by May but now you're seemingly committed to the "forever" war as long as even a single American is still on the ground.

Don't listen to General McKenzie, though. He's not an Afghan soldier.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/30/afghanistan-update-last-us-troops-leave-kabul-ending-evacuation.html

“We were not able to bring any Americans out; that activity probably ended about 12 hours before our exit. Although we continue the outreach and would have been prepared to bring them on until the very last minute, but none of them made it to the airport,” McKenzie said.

They could not get to the airport, it wasn’t like Uber was available to drop them off at the terminal.

The State Dept specifically told Americans to leave the area around the airport and to not come to the airport.

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4 minutes ago, Bormio said:

They could not get to the airport, it wasn’t like Uber was available to drop them off at the terminal.

 

I'm guessing General McKenzie and his family weren't stranded somewhere in Kabul looking out the window at their new neighbors and wondering how safe it might be to venture out.

 

 

[Bormio]

If planned for properly, leaving in May would have been a piece of cake compared to leaving in August.

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A left-wing editorialist for the WaPo:

Opinion: Yes, the Kabul withdrawal is a disaster...

Why is the above so hard for Afghan Andy to understand?

He must be a partisan bootlicking dumbass, because it's not hard. Then again, he struggles with simple and common English-language phrases.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Slotback Right said:

 

 

40% of his own party?

Ouch.

 

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23 hours ago, Atticus Finch said:

The greatest humanitarian airlift in history = incompetently handled

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Broken clock 100% correct 👍

PS:

General Tells British Special Forces: Stop Rescuing People in Kabul

Tom Rogan Washington Examiner August 21, 2021

Marine Corps via AP)

 

 

 

 

I understand that the commanding general of the 82nd Airborne Division has told the commander of the British special forces at the Kabul airport to cease operations beyond the airport perimeter.

 

Maj. Gen. Christopher Donahue has told his British Army counterpart, a high-ranking field-grade officer of the British army's 22nd Special Air Service Regiment, that British operations were embarrassing the United States military in the absence of similar U.S. military operations. I understand that the British officer firmly rejected the request.

 

 

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[Atticus Finch]

28 minutes ago, concha said:

40% of his own party?

Ouch.

Rasmussen.

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The same people who didn't think either of Trump's crime were impeachable now want to impeach Biden for withdrawing from Afghanistan.

No better evidence that an unserious country.

[Atticus Finch]

10 hours ago, concha said:

A left-wing editorialist for the WaPo:

Opinion: Yes, the Kabul withdrawal is a disaster...

Why is the above so hard for Afghan Andy to understand?

Why is it so hard your to articulate your position instead of just quoting the opinions of others?

It's incredibly lazy.

And further proof that you have absolutely nothing to say and that all of your criticism is political.

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33 minutes ago, Atticus Finch said:

Why is it so hard your to articulate your position instead of just quoting the opinions of others?

It's incredibly lazy.

And further proof that you have absolutely nothing to say and that all of your criticism is political.

 

I've done it. 

And then you do your usual schtick claiming I haven't, while you dishonestly and stupidly conflate arguments, claim you aren't... and then conflate them again, and again, and again... lather, rinse, repeat.

It's almost like you're a bootlicking partisan douche on the level of Baghdad Bob.

Oh, wait.

That's exactly what you are.