Atticus Finch Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 5 minutes ago, 181pl said: Hollywood Hills 73, Dillard 86 and 89, Ely in 2002. Who am I missing? So you said one. And now you think four. Miramar in 2009. Flanagan in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 DFB had Shoelace and he beat STA 2 of 3 as I recall. Miramar beat STA with Cogdell 3x in a row and Cogdell would not have lost to a backup QB who very rarely attempted a pass, but Cogdell was at WVU (new hire coach) that season. Dwyer (PBC public) beat STA 2 of 3 in playoffs. Dillard has had quality talent thru the years. They dismantled last season it seems w transfers as has DFB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted November 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Atticus Finch said: So you said one. And now you think four. Miramar in 2009. Flanagan in 2015. Thx I admit to being a shithead on this part of the post. Mia culpa… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 Josh Wilson’s site brought back the FL HC moving van. ‘24 prep is up and Count Dracula is keeping busy. This is a main contributor to transfers in SoFL and other metro areas in FL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 It’s not a public/private issue. Publics have been winning for decades without a peep. Privates started to step up and they have had success. No one said a word when the public’s were beating the privates heads in for years and years. I don’t think separating them will help. Hell the metro and suburban thing got blown up by Venice. Literally the year before the metro/suburban split, Venice which is suburban, steamrolled 3 metro teams in a row to win the state championship. Publics Cocoa and Lakeland are in suburban classes and they have won multiple titles in the old system. The problem is there are too many classes. There needs to be 6 maximum. Public schools have open enrollment which levels the playing field with privates. The top dogs are gonna eat regardless. Adding more classes and separating the state into population densities is stupid. All it does it water down all the classes, and lets some random teams who should have no shot at a real title compete for some participation trophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 Venice took out STA in the playoffs when their QB carried the rock 111 times it seemed. Lakeland vs STA in playoffs doesn’t need much further discussion. Two more public schools away from SoFL vs STA Cocoa 2023* also a public school Cooper City (public) reg season… pretty sure they beat STA without a single FBS recruit on the field that game. Art Taylor was the HC (DFB with Shoelace). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 You wanna see some bullshit? These are the computer state rankings for poor ole suburban teams and monster metro teams. 4-suburban #6 Buchholz #13 Deland #15 Venice #22 Lakeland 4-metro #10 Mandarin #19 Columbus #45 Monarch #54 Plant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted November 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 49 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: It’s not a public/private issue. Publics have been winning for decades without a peep. Privates started to step up and they have had success. No one said a word when the public’s were beating the privates heads in for years and years. I don’t think separating them will help. Hell the metro and suburban thing got blown up by Venice. Literally the year before the metro/suburban split, Venice which is suburban, steamrolled 3 metro teams in a row to win the state championship. Publics Cocoa and Lakeland are in suburban classes and they have won multiple titles in the old system. The problem is there are too many classes. There needs to be 6 maximum. Public schools have open enrollment which levels the playing field with privates. The top dogs are gonna eat regardless. Adding more classes and separating the state into population densities is stupid. All it does it water down all the classes, and lets some random teams who should have no shot at a real title compete for some participation trophy. Private recruiting factories play with a tilted field. There are no “big dogs” except a few recruited up privates and miami central. I can’t help you beyond this… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 26, 2023 Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 25 minutes ago, 181pl said: Private recruiting factories play with a tilted field. There are no “big dogs” except a few recruited up privates and miami central. I can’t help you beyond this… But they were like that in the 2000’s when Plant, Lakeland, and Armwood were cranking out titles. The only difference is the talent is better in South Florida, so when they accumulate talent (just like publics have been for years and years), it is gonna be a better product. South Florida is basically being criticized and punished for having all the talent. Because Plant, Armwood and Lakeland had a lock on all area talent for years back in the Castle, Weiner, Callahan days. So I don’t think your gripe is these teams stacking talent. I think your gripe is the talent they are stacking is head and shoulders better than the rest of the state, and it shows in the results Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted November 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2023 https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/0CpJWmU4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 📸 Look at this post on Facebook https://highschool.si.com/florida/2023/11/27/plants-run-to-states-different-this-time-around?fbclid=IwAR0mygdPiM-2-sc42RZXYn7nMJ-JeSpPXVJLzz776MG63y7nXVFK3eV9otY_aem_AY1PP_B321ZIQil10liXO4_Mf0RF4i1QJMKE4Y8ZU06uaaQiCKywz5Zmzk2D79OCnH8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 On 11/26/2023 at 4:50 PM, 181pl said: https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/0CpJWmU4 Plant has the best chance of the 3 to spring the upset. The other two will be over by halftime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfaddict1 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Plant-STA was 13 years ago, dang. I recall that game pretty well. I do better with older games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, golfaddict1 said: Plant-STA was 13 years ago, dang. I recall that game pretty well. I do better with older games. I went to that game in Orlando. I was trying to meet up with Canes. He wasn’t having it. Too bad I thought we were besties. The game was in 2016 so we might be talking about different games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 On 11/26/2023 at 12:31 PM, Nolebull813 said: You wanna see some bullshit? These are the computer state rankings for poor ole suburban teams and monster metro teams. 4-suburban #6 Buchholz #13 Deland #15 Venice #22 Lakeland 4-metro #10 Mandarin #19 Columbus #45 Monarch #54 Plant How the hell is Lakeland not in Metro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Nvm I see how their doing it... Lakelands too close to Tampa... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: How the hell is Lakeland not in Metro? They do it by county. The metro classes are comprised of the top 8 counties according to population density. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Finch Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: They do it by county. The metro classes are comprised of the top 8 counties according to population density. The epicenter of all the changes over the last 7 years is Polk County. School districts being forced to accept transfers from other districts. The Metro/Suburban split. All of it. And all to their benefit. Polk being a bedroom county for both Tampa and Orlando makes this distinction laughable, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 not to mention that Polk is not exactly sparsely populated. I believe there are over 750,000 people living there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: I went to that game in Orlando. I was trying to meet up with Canes. He wasn’t having it. Too bad I thought we were besties. The game was in 2016 so we might be talking about different games I was on the sidelines for the first game in 2010. After that debacle, I was not about to go on the sidelines for the 2016 wipe out. Lol. Canes and I had talked about meeting up at Largo when Saint Thomas visited Largo many many moons ago. Didn’t happen. I believe I did meet neutral observer that game. The elusive one. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, 181pl said: I was on the sidelines for the first game in 2010. After that debacle, I was not about to go on the sidelines for the 2016 wipe out. Lol. Canes and I had talked about meeting up at Largo when Saint Thomas visited Largo many many moons ago. Didn’t happen. I believe I did meet neutral observer that game. The elusive one. Lol. I remember them playing Largo. I think it was televised and Largo didn’t get embarrassed. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: I remember them playing Largo. I think it was televised and Largo didn’t get embarrassed. Lol. I think Largo was up at half time if I’m not mistaken? Or at least it was very close. STA pulled away in the second half. But it was not a blowout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
181pl Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Atticus, what was the halftime score when Largo played STA in 07? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badrouter Posted November 29, 2023 Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 7 hours ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: How the hell is Lakeland not in Metro? The issue is they're going off of counties, rather than cities. Armwood is metro, even though Seffner makes Lakeland look like a big city. Seffner is just over the Hillsborough county line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted November 29, 2023 Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 Just now, badrouter said: The issue is they're going off of counties, rather than cities. Armwood is metro, even though Seffner makes Lakeland look like a big city. Seffner is just over the Hillsborough county line. Same with Plant City. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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