noonereal Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: If Obama deported so many illegal immigrants then why is everyone calling Trump the racist about it, and all these sanctuary cities and campuses are popping up everywhere? If you put on your thinking cap you should be able to understand why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Drummer61 said: Under a govt healthcare system,the quality of care will diminish because that care is controlled by the govt... I have been to Europe three times and have seen what their quality of care is.. Not what we are used to.. But then again, our young people don 't know the difference,.. Doctors are leaving because they are mandated as to how to administer care,time and speciality treatment..There wil not be enough Dr's to treat all the people under this system and it will break if not fixed.. Go to China,Russia,Germany,Scotland,Italy and others if you want free healthcare..Thank you Democrats.....The dishgrace is on you if you voted Democrat,nothing else.. I have read about 456 pages of the ACA and got sick... I know they are leaving NY due to the cost of malpractice insurance they have to have. Alot of the better NY doctors are now located in NC. I have been to Canada a few times. I do like their system of everyone including tourists pay into their healthcare. So if me and you took a trip up there for dinner on the bottom of the tab would be a healthcare tax thats part of the bill. I would like to see that included here. With all the tourists that we get why not have them pay into the bucket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, HawgGoneIt said: But not one person ever spoke to the question posed in the OP. Maybe it's too much to ask to stay on topic in on off topic thread. Lol I just jumped in when it came to discussing the healthcare thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 hours ago, Horsefly said: So why are you against ACA? I assume you are young, did you benefit from the extended age of 26 under parental coverage? I just saw this....no i didnt...when i graduated college i had to get my own insurance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, HawgGoneIt said: But not one person ever spoke to the question posed in the OP. I agree with the OP. The OP forgot to mention that Trump is the reason this GOP congress had to backtrack. Good work Donald. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 3 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: Noles post is not silly,rather he is correct..... I respect your differing opinion but it most certainly was logically and factually flawed. His theme is what imagine you agree with which I accept as your right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: Then move to Canada...They only have 30,000,000 NOT 300,000,000 plus.. No, privatization is the answer to healthcare..You remind me of those who said if Trump wins, I will move, well then move to Canada for healthcare,, Did i ever say they had the perfect system up there? Absolutely not. And i agree with you that we have significantly more people then they do. All i said was that one aspect i thought was a good idea. Why not have every person including tourists pay into the healthcare system? They use our hospitals if something was too happen to them here correct? No reason to jump on me when all i did was bring up one aspect of their system that makes sense to me. And im a huge Trump supporter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 NOR, To answer your initial question in a round-a-bout way... I was glad to see some congressmen step forward and speak out against the first action by the newly established congress. Especially as it pertains to their oversight by an independent office. I was also glad that the president elect also spoke out against their action, although a little troubled by the wording that was used, in that he called the independent oversight unfair. I think what got lost in all the chest thumping here is... the first act of this new congress was NOT to start dismantling the ACA but to start dismantling the independent office that is there to keep them honest and to again "police" themselves. Let's be honest... if we're draining the swamp, we gotta get on point better than this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: Then move to Canada...They only have 30,000,000 NOT 300,000,000 plus.. No, privatization is the answer to healthcare..You remind me of those who said if Trump wins, I will move, well then move to Canada for healthcare,, i actually know someone that has moved, to Europe, because of Trump's election. But yes, you are right, most are blow hards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, noonereal said: i actually know someone that has moved, to Europe, because of Trump's election. But yes, you are right, most are blow hards. I got jumped on when i have agreed with pretty much everything he said. I brought up one aspect that i believe would be good and i get told to move to Canada when i support Trump 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, HawgGoneIt said: NOR, To answer your initial question in a round-a-bout way... I was glad to see some congressmen step forward and speak out against the first action by the newly established congress. Especially as it pertains to their oversight by an independent office. I was also glad that the president elect also spoke out against their action, although a little troubled by the wording that was used, in that he called the independent oversight unfair. I think what got lost in all the chest thumping here is... the first act of this new congress was NOT to start dismantling the ACA but to start dismantling the independent office that is there to keep them honest and to again "police" themselves. Let's be honest... if we're draining the swamp, we gotta get on point better than this. Exactly. It kinda made clear that the GOP Congress felt the candy store was now open and no security would be permitted, by law. Had to be the very worst first step in the history of Congress. Especially when you consider that American's already despise Congress. IMO, it also makes very clear that their is no help in what Americans what changed most, how Washington works. The GOP is not the answer to those that hate the Dems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: NOR, To answer your initial question in a round-a-bout way... I was glad to see some congressmen step forward and speak out against the first action by the newly established congress. Especially as it pertains to their oversight by an independent office. I was also glad that the president elect also spoke out against their action, although a little troubled by the wording that was used, in that he called the independent oversight unfair. I think what got lost in all the chest thumping here is... the first act of this new congress was NOT to start dismantling the ACA but to start dismantling the independent office that is there to keep them honest and to again "police" themselves. Let's be honest... if we're draining the swamp, we gotta get on point better than this. Well said. Many constituents called in to their congressmen as well voicing their concerns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, noonereal said: Exactly. It kinda made clear that the GOP Congress felt the candy store was now open and no security would be permitted, by law. Had to be the very worst first step in the history of Congress. Especially when you consider that American's already despise Congress. IMO, it also makes very clear that their is no help in what Americans what changed most, how Washington works. The GOP is not the answer to those that hate the Dems. That's what I saw. Business as usual on the hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, HawgGoneIt said: That's what I saw. Business as usual on the hill. I saw it as worse than that.... much worse. It was more like, "now we can party with impunity." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: More personal, always could choose any physician,any hospital, never had a Dr say I don't take your coverage or hospitals not take my insurance... NEVER had to pay extra or be denied a specialist or medication...See, many don't even know the difference... This is one example of how nations go down the tubes,people don't know or care about history??? Not attacking you, just saying how without historical context,things go bad fast.. I was wanting his own personal experience before and after ACA. (I prefer personal testimonies over copy and paste thoughts from news outlets) For many Americans there was very little to no change in coverage or care quality. Everyone's story is not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Horsefly said: I was not looking for generalities, I was wanting his own personal experience before and after ACA. For many Americans there was very little to no change in coverage or care quality. Everyone's story is not the same. Very true. The intent was good and It has helped millions. Unfortunately, it also has enough downside to make it's revamping a necessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, noonereal said: Very true. The intent was good and It has helped millions. Unfortunately, it also has enough downside to make it's revamping a necessity. I actually agree with you for a change, which I tend to do more on social and political issues as opposed to football. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I was wanting his own personal experience before and after ACA. (I prefer personal testimonies over copy and paste thoughts from news outlets) For many Americans there was very little to no change in coverage or care quality. Everyone's story is not the same. You would have to find an obamacare person that it has helped and asked them why it helped them. For me and most people i know it has hurt them significantly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, Horsefly said: I actually agree with you for a change, which I tend to do more on social and political issues as opposed to football. ? With TX out of the picture, we would likly agree on most things football too. I don't hold that against you, I know humans favor emotion, especially wants, over reason so I am used to folks like you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: You would have to find an obamacare person that it has helped and asked them why it helped them. For me and most people i know it has hurt them significantly Yea, I got your answer, I have no problem with it. I stated from the get go I know two people whose lives were saved from cancer treatment they were able to afford under ACA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, Horsefly said: Yea, I got your answer, I have no problem with it. I stated from the get go I know two people whose lives were saved from cancer treatment they were able to afford under ACA. well thats good that they were able to afford that coverage. In NY on the marketplace they wanted last time i checked 500 a month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, noonereal said: With TX out of the picture, we would likly agree on most things football too. I don't hold that against you, I know humans favor emotion, especially wants, over reason so I am used to folks like you. me wanting Texas schools be recognized in polls didn't make it happen. You have calpreps, prepnation, USAtoday and others to thank for their observations and professional insight. I think your beef is with these publications and sites and not with any Texan. Just sayin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: well thats good that they were able to afford that coverage. In NY on the marketplace they wanted last time i checked 500 a month This was a choice between life and death, they sacrificed a few things to make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Just now, Horsefly said: This was a choice between life and death, they sacrificed a few things to make it happen. Yep. My aunt just went through cancer treatments herself but she is covered through her job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsefly Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 minute ago, Drummer61 said: What I just gave you IS MY EXPERIANCE !!!!!! No copy or paste.... Gotcha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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