TheMaximumHornetSting Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 The city of Newnan (Atlanta suburb) is bucking against the system. The mayor of Newnan has the Governor on his side. The reason for this is because a group of Neo-Nazis have decided to host a rally in Newnan on April 21st. The Mayor of Newnan cited Charloettesville and has stated his opposition to such a rally. And of course the Shortbus pushing Nazis don't like it. They say it violates their rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Well if Newnan says no, then the short bus Nazi's need to take it elsewhere. Period. You have a right to hold a rally, but you're not entitled. If it's disruptive, then no go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarterBlue Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 37 minutes ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: The city of Newnan (Atlanta suburb) is bucking against the system. The mayor of Newnan has the Governor on his side. The reason for this is because a group of Neo-Nazis have decided to host a rally in Newnan on April 21st. The Mayor of Newnan cited Charloettesville and has stated his opposition to such a rally. And of course the Shortbus pushing Nazis don't like it. They say it violates their rights. I assume the Mayor's stated reason revolves around security given the potential for violence. If that is so, and the holders of the rally can foot the costs of added security, should they be deprived of the right to hold their rally? The answer is not easy or obvious. They are times I would rather know who my enemies are and what they are thinking than to bottle up speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Seems like there is too much of a grey area in regards to free speech. Who gets to decide what is a potential threat or what's not? Who gets to be judge and jury? Silencing free speech is always a slippery slope. A Puerto Rican day parade could seem hostile and potentially violent to the groups of people who see P Ricans as a threat. Even though Nazis and Klansmen are some of the worst people on the planet, they should be able to get together and host speeches and other social functions as long as the space is offered to anyone. If any person can rent a place to host whatever they please then Nazis should be able to as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloryDays Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Nolebull813 said: Seems like there is too much of a grey area in regards to free speech. Who gets to decide what is a potential threat or what's not? Who gets to be judge and jury? Silencing free speech is always a slippery slope. A Puerto Rican day parade could seem hostile and potentially violent to the groups of people who see P Ricans as a threat. Even though Nazis and Klansmen are some of the worst people on the planet, they should be able to get together and host speeches and other social functions as long as the space is offered to anyone. If any person can rent a place to host whatever they please then Nazis should be able to as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 I'm assuming that they are being denied permits to use public areas? They can go out to the farm like the Klan used to do down here when I was young. Freedom of speech has no "grey area". It means what it means. However, inciting violence and riots etc. and the use of public lands can be denied without violating a person's freedom of speech. It just means you have to exercise that freedom somewhere else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Just now, HawgGoneIt said: I'm assuming that they are being denied permits to use public areas? They can go out to the farm like the Klan used to do down here when I was young. Freedom of speech has no "grey area". It means what it means. However, inciting violence and riots etc. and the use of public lands can be denied without violating a person's freedom of speech. It just means you have to exercise that freedom somewhere else. Voicing an opinion that a group you don't agree with potentially will cause violence is a loophole to suppress free speech. Hate speech is protected. I understand private land, but public land? Where should Nazis be allowed to talk? Only where they are told or forced to? Sounds like a violation of the 1A. Someone is basically saying I don't agree with the message, and even though I can't predict the future I will label this function violent and therefore will shut it down. Where does it stop? Who gets the power to use their opinions to suppress free speech? Who gets that power appointed to them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Like I said, Nazis are lower than scum. They are fueled by hate. That is there decision. None of us have to agree with it. But if they don't get to socialize publicly then no one should. Muslims should not be able to come together and socialize because of the threat of terrorism. All of their freedoms should be revoked and thrown in the same category as Nazis. They are just Brown Nazis. If you are trying to be consistent across the board of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawgGoneIt Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Voicing an opinion that a group you don't agree with potentially will cause violence is a loophole to suppress free speech. Hate speech is protected. I understand private land, but public land? Where should Nazis be allowed to talk? Only where they are told or forced to? Sounds like a violation of the 1A. Someone is basically saying I don't agree with the message, and even though I can't predict the future I will label this function violent and therefore will shut it down. Where does it stop? Who gets the power to use their opinions to suppress free speech? Who gets that power appointed to them? Their 1st amendment would be violated if we cut out their tongues or wrapped their faces (including their mouth and nose) with duct tape. They can climb to the top of a mountain and scream all the hate they want. Newnan isn't obligated to give anyone a permit that they don't think will be lawful or that may incite riots etc. We have to be able to apply common sense to the constitutional rights because they often rub against each other. If allowing the Nazis a rally harms others rights to be happy or safe, how does that get reconciled? All are rights. It's like a balancing act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 54 minutes ago, HawgGoneIt said: Their 1st amendment would be violated if we cut out their tongues or wrapped their faces (including their mouth and nose) with duct tape. They can climb to the top of a mountain and scream all the hate they want. Newnan isn't obligated to give anyone a permit that they don't think will be lawful or that may incite riots etc. We have to be able to apply common sense to the constitutional rights because they often rub against each other. If allowing the Nazis a rally harms others rights to be happy or safe, how does that get reconciled? All are rights. It's like a balancing act. you mean the first amendment does not allow me to yell fire in a crowded theater? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Muslims should not be able to come together and socialize because of the threat of terrorism. I know. There is a large swath of Trumpets that would target them from ignorance. It's refreshing to to your concern for the innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Nolebull813 said: Brown all Muslims are brown are they? I did not know that and I was married to a Muslim women and own a home in a Muslim country. Well, that was before Trump made us all racist. Maybe they are all brown on the inside? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 Just doesn't seem right that people can be judge and jury to suppress speech they disagree with. Funny that the same people who support gay pride parades would be the same people protesting to shut someone else's free speech down. Its all politically and ideologically motivated. Bottom line is suppression and discrimination is ok as long as it comes off virtuous to enough of the mainstream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolebull813 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, noonereal said: all Muslims are brown are they? I did not know that and I was married to a Muslim women and own a home in a Muslim country. Well, that was before Trump made us all racist. Maybe they are all brown on the inside? Generally they are. Don't be petty 😝 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 9 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Generally they are. Don't be petty 😝 honest. In my experience most are not brown. I think you confuse Arabs for all Muslims and Indians for Muslims too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 13 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Just doesn't seem right that people can be judge and jury to suppress speech they disagree with. They can't. The 1st amendment prohibits this. 13 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Funny that the same people who support gay pride parades would be the same people protesting to shut someone else's free speech down. I don't know this to be the case but if they did or not it would not matter. We all have a right to free 15 minutes ago, Nolebull813 said: Its all politically and ideologically motivated. Bottom line is suppression and discrimination is ok as long as it comes off virtuous to enough of the mainstream No, the first amendment does not take back seat to anything you mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 41 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: You guys are funny...If a conservative goes to speak at Berkeley, U.Of Florida, Cornell or any other campus they riot and as at Berkeley smash widows and little leftist democrats throw rocks and assault........You never condemn or speak to that.... You love the old two wrongs make a right. and, of course, your relentless stereotyping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonereal Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Drummer61 said: No, but I like to hear about both from your side..I am pissed,I lost and am leaving this casino...Fuck em.. lol it could have been worse, you could have been in trump's stock market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 7 hours ago, BUFORDGAWOLVES said: Well if Newnan says no, then the short bus Nazi's need to take it elsewhere. Period. You have a right to hold a rally, but you're not entitled. If it's disruptive, then no go. Actually you are entitled. The Constitution says so. And they will win in court. You see, that is how America works. And a mob in opposition does not hold a veto over it by threatening disruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Nolebull813 said: Just doesn't seem right that people can be judge and jury to suppress speech they disagree with. Funny that the same people who support gay pride parades would be the same people protesting to shut someone else's free speech down. Its all politically and ideologically motivated. Bottom line is suppression and discrimination is ok as long as it comes off virtuous to enough of the mainstream Which is why the First Amendment exists. The right to free speech is not subject to a vote of the people or a bunch of Twitter users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFORDGAWOLVES Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bormio said: Actually you are entitled. The Constitution says so. And they will win in court. You see, that is how America works. And a mob in opposition does not hold a veto over it by threatening disruption. Well, not everything is followed to the letter in the Constitution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 8 hours ago, TheMaximumHornetSting said: The city of Newnan (Atlanta suburb) is bucking against the system. The mayor of Newnan has the Governor on his side. The reason for this is because a group of Neo-Nazis have decided to host a rally in Newnan on April 21st. The Mayor of Newnan cited Charloettesville and has stated his opposition to such a rally. And of course the Shortbus pushing Nazis don't like it. They say it violates their rights. If he gives permits to other groups doesn't he have to give the permit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bormio Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: If he gives permits to other groups doesn't he have to give the permit? Yes - if Newman goes down this path, they will lose very badly in court and their taxpayers will be pissed. This has been ruled on multiple times by the courts already. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSFBfan Posted April 8, 2018 Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 Just now, Bormio said: Yes - if Newman goes down this path, they will lose very badly in court and their taxpayers will be pissed. That was my thought process but figured I'd ask the question. If the KKK neo nazis whatever want to have a rally they are allowed too. Give them the permit and anyone that shows up without a permit should be locked up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMaximumHornetSting Posted April 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2018 25 minutes ago, HSFBfan said: If he gives permits to other groups doesn't he have to give the permit? Newnan is a good quiet city in the south Atlanta Metro with about 67,000 people its in Coweta County ECHS lives near Newnan. They don't want no trouble and we all know what'll happen if these boot licking asses come to town. Newnan/Coweta isn't a blue county or city by any means. But they don't want problems so no. They don't have too. And the mayor doesn't want too. Newnan population: Estimated- 67,533 Sharpsburg- 34,222. They have 3 HS. East Coweta HS Newnan HS Northgate HS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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