NotBigdaddybloom Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Change my mind! And Sugar Ray didn’t win that fight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted June 13, 2019 Report Share Posted June 13, 2019 Hagler was a beast. Didn’t call him marvelous for nothing. Probably the best middleweight ever. As far as that fight goes, neither fighter had a very good fight honestly. They shoulda called it a draw and did a do-over. Now Hagler-Hearns?!!!! That was the best 3+ rounds of boxing that you’ll see. And Hearns fought the final 2 rounds with a broken hand! Sugar Ray couldn’t have pulled that type of fight off at all let alone 3+ rounds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 40 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Hagler was a beast. Didn’t call him marvelous for nothing. Probably the best middleweight ever. As far as that fight goes, neither fighter had a very good fight honestly. They shoulda called it a draw and did a do-over. Now Hagler-Hearns?!!!! That was the best 3+ rounds of boxing that you’ll see. And Hearns fought the final 2 rounds with a broken hand! Sugar Ray couldn’t have pulled that type of fight off at all let alone 3+ rounds. As much as I agree with your assessment, hagler had to chase Leonard for the entire fight. The first Hearnes Leonard fight was epic, it forced sugar ray to fight! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospeeder Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Yep.... That first Leonard Hearns affair set the bar that IMO will never be equaled. That entire era was the gold standard of the sport. Hearns Hagler?... worst case should have been a draw. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Hagler rarely said anything, just hammered folks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: As much as I agree with your assessment, hagler had to chase Leonard for the entire fight. The first Hearnes Leonard fight was epic, it forced sugar ray to fight! True. Hagler had to chase. Leonard really wanted no part of him. Shoulda been a draw, and then Sugar Ray woulda had to rematch. I remember Hagler being visibly disgusted at SRL and the ultimate decision. Dude was hosed at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotBigdaddybloom Posted June 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 He never fought again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 The only Sugar Man. Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest Middleweight of all time. Peace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cossacks Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 I was a big SRL, but he lost that fight and Hagler was robbed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 hours ago, NotBigdaddybloom said: He never fought again! Just kinda fell off the earth after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blueliner Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 hours ago, DevilDog said: The only Sugar Man. Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest Middleweight of all time. Peace 173-19 for his career. 108 knockouts. Dude fought nearly 200 times! He’s actually the reason that the term “pound for pound” was coined. You’ve got an argument. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blueliner Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 62-3 with 52 KOs. This record pretty much showed that if you stepped in the ring with Hagler, you got your ass handed to you. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 I'm a big fan of Hagler, but Sugar Ray Robinson is widely regarded as the greatest boxer of all time. In his first 10 years as a pro, he went 101-1-2 and would avenge his only loss to Jake LaMotta 5 times over; and in his rematch against Basor, the first guy who fought him to a draw, Sugar Ray knocked him out in 50 seconds; and from '43-'51 he fought 91 times without losing. Maybe his middleweight career wasn't as impressive as his welterweight career, but as great as Hagler was, I still gotta think that Robinson was the greater middleweight. When asked whether he was the greater of the two Sugar Rays, Leonard simply answered, "No." I know that doesn't prove anything, but it's something. Fight footage starts about a minute in. He had devastating power in both hands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: I'm a big fan of Hagler, but Sugar Ray Robinson is widely regarded as the greatest boxer of all time. In his first 10 years as a pro, he went 101-1-2 and would avenge his only loss to Jake LaMotta 5 times over; and in his rematch against Basor, the first guy who fought him to a draw, Sugar Ray knocked him out in 50 seconds; and from '43-'51 he fought 91 times without losing. Maybe his middleweight career wasn't as impressive as his welterweight career, but as great as Hagler was, I still gotta think that Robinson was the greater middleweight. When asked whether he was the greater of the two Sugar Rays, Leonard simply answered, "No." I know that doesn't prove anything, but it's something. Fight footage starts about a minute in. He had devastating power in both hands. That was a bad man!! But is it me or was he fighting the same dude over and over🤣 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Just now, Blueliner said: That was a bad man!! But is it me or was he fighting the same dude over and over🤣 😜 I thought the same thing. Maybe there's a better HL out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Belly Bob said: I thought the same thing. Maybe there's a better HL out there. They might pay me 1000.00 to fight Sugar. I’d PAY 1100.00 to not have to get in the ring with him😳🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 Routed for Sugar Ray Leonard as a kid.... and don't think I can change your mind...Hagler was better that night... As Far as Sugar Ray vs Sugar Ray, the whole Modern Athlete vs Historical Athlete may or may not apply to boxing, but it reminded me of this clip... some interesting points with regards to Athletes today (and yesterday)... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World Citizen Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Blueliner said: They might pay me 1000.00 to fight Sugar. I’d PAY 1100.00 to not have to get in the ring with him😳🤣 I can get knocked out as easy as those guys in the vid above...and for less money too. Given the skill set difference between fighters of those two era's I have to say the 2nd Sugar is better. And I think if you had to train and fight them the 2nd Sugar would be harder to game plan for. How would Haggler do against the fighters back in Sugar era? Hagler also won the fight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilDog Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 3 hours ago, World Citizen said: I can get knocked out as easy as those guys in the vid above...and for less money too. Given the skill set difference between fighters of those two era's I have to say the 2nd Sugar is better. And I think if you had to train and fight them the 2nd Sugar would be harder to game plan for. How would Haggler do against the fighters back in Sugar era? Hagler also won the fight. Hagler's toughest fight wasn't Hearn. That was the most exciting. John the Beast Mugabi gave Marvin hell. Hagler was a great fighter. Mugabe tougher than frozen beef Jerky. Just Brutal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 1 hour ago, World Citizen said: I can get knocked out as easy as those guys in the vid above...and for less money too. Given the skill set difference between fighters of those two era's I have to say the 2nd Sugar is better. And I think if you had to train and fight them the 2nd Sugar would be harder to game plan for. How would Haggler do against the fighters back in Sugar era? Hagler also won the fight. Hagler’s strength would far exceed fighters of that era just simple by supplementation and advances in training and conditioning. I think if you transported Hagler back to 1940, he would be hard to beat by anybody. Including SRR. But I think it’s be a hell of a fight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueliner Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, DevilDog said: Hagler's toughest fight wasn't Hearn. That was the most exciting. John the Beast Mugabi gave Marvin he'll. Hagler was a great fighter. Forgot all about John the beast. That was a legit middleweight fight. Beast was supposed to be the next “dude” Hagler ruined that for him. 👊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 2 hours ago, World Citizen said: I can get knocked out as easy as those guys in the vid above...and for less money too. Given the skill set difference between fighters of those two era's I have to say the 2nd Sugar is better. And I think if you had to train and fight them the 2nd Sugar would be harder to game plan for. How would Haggler do against the fighters back in Sugar era? Hagler also won the fight. But imagine Robinson with Hagler's advantages or Hagler with Robinson's disadvantages. That's how I compare athletes from different generations. Larry Bird shot below 30 percent from behind the arc in 4 out of his first 5 seasons in the NBA. Then he shot above 40 percent 4 seasons in a row and in 5 out his last 7. It was a new shot for him and for everyone else at the time. He had to figure it out. Imagine if he had grown up shooting 3s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belly Bob Posted June 14, 2019 Report Share Posted June 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Blueliner said: Hagler’s strength would far exceed fighters of that era just simple by supplementation and advances in training and conditioning. I think if you transported Hagler back to 1940, he would be hard to beat by anybody. Including SRR. But I think it’s be a hell of a fight. You beat me to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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